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wow, pretty pathetic all of you. i’ve never seen people gang up on someone like this on this site before. it’s interesting because the original poster had a great suggestion to learn Torah in someone’s memory. Maybe it’s not someone who you think you’d like to learn Torah for so don’t. Rediculous that you want to slam Koch for the things he did wrong but insulting ZDad is just as bad if not worse. it could be that ZDad has or has not said L”H things on other threads but that doesn’t detract at all from the truth of his statement – all you’re doing is saying L”H about a dead man!!!!!! does that make you feel good about yourself?? pathetic.
back to rebdoniel’s suggestion – it’s a great idea. and for all of you who think Koch doesn’t deserve it, that’s all the more reason he NEEDS it and it’s our obligation to do it! MorahRach – Hashem is happy to hear your tefilot and accept the Torah learning that you bring in to the world. the fact that you’re a woman is of no consequence to Hashem. the fact that most (all) of the nasty comments here came from men is quite telling. no wonder our tradition tells us that women bring the true yiddishkeit into our homes and children. personally, I will take on learning some Mishna Avot because it’s what I see is most lacking in myself and on this site (i’m quite sure i’ve said bad things on this site before too and i’m seeing why it’s so damaging to our nation.
My question is – should we give tzedaka to someone who smokes?
If you’re so sure about your comments & about Rav Ovadia Yosef’s comments then you really should print this all off and show it to the Rav. I think you’ll be shocked by his response – just as he’ll be shocked to see what you quote him as saying.
for what it’s worth – your comments are full of horrible loshon hara. your comments are (to directly quote from you): “fighting against Hashem and the Torah community” “anti-Torah” “valid only after shkia” “phony as a nine-shekel note” “self-serving” and all of the other nasty comments posted on this site (and told over verbally when you were supposed to be learning & not being mevatel Torah). please print off a copy of this CR thread & immediately show it to Rav Ovadia Yosef (or any Gadol). please make sure to point out to the Rav which comment was yours and let us know what the Rav says.
doesn’t matter if he works for ywn or not, he’s got something to say about everything. seems like a guy who’s that religious should spend more time learning and less time on the internet.
Yes, I agree with Naftush – schedule an hour and a half for the 160 bus ride. By the way, the bus trip itself is enjoyable for those who haven’t been down that way. You get to see the main road through the Gush and you also get a drive through Kiryat Arba, an impressive city that is about 5 mins from the Mearat Hamachpelah.
The organized tours with Simcha Hochbaum are also wonderful and safe.
Most importantly, go! Enjoy a fantastic time there! Besides getting the chance to visit & daven to Hashem at the site where our Avot & Imahot are buried, you can see the true roots of our nation there. Chevron is the city where David Hamelech began his reign over Israel. By the way, there are other famous Jewish personalities from Tanach buried there. The great thing is to see the Jewish people still there davening, learning, living — it’s not just a burial place but a place of Jewish life today!
I understand people’s fear of visiting Chevron but it is mostly unfounded and sad that people feel that way. By the way, it’s the most unfortunate when people say things like “there plenty other places to visit in Israel.” Chevron is the 2nd most holy place in the world (after the Har Habayit). Please remember, when you come home, you must always visit Grandma & Grandpa.
As for the practical aspect – the 160 bus is a green bus that is armored for protection. It runs from Yerushalayim right up to the entrance of the Mearat Hamachpelah. You can pick it up from the Central Bus Station in Yerushalayim or from the Malcha Mall or from the bus stop right before the “tunnel route” from Gilo to the Gush. You can also pick it up on Route 60 in the Gush.
You can get the schedule on Egged’s English site here http://mslworld.egged.co.il/eggedtimetable/WebForms/wfrmMain.aspx?width=1024&company=1&language=en&state=2
If that link doesn’t work, then google “Egged bus schedule” –> choose the English site –> choose Find a Timetable and fill in the details. Depending on time of day, the bus usually runs every 30 – 60 mins. In the middle of the day, there may be a larger gap. The bus takes a predictable approx. 1 hour to get there from Yerushalayim.
You can also contact the Hebron Fund via their website to find out about tours with them. Their tours offer an armored bus from Yerushalayim – I believe leaving from outside the Inbal hotel. You can also take a regular Egged bus there and ask a tour guide to meet you when you get to Chevron. Enjoy the trip and make the most of it!!