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Back to the convention, what kills me is, this is an organization that takes a holier-than-thou attitude and makes faces at OU / YU.. and at the same time, condones the very behavior they criticize in others!
So they have a choice:
B) Continue to charge mad money ($1500 per couple), provide lux accommodations but cave in to the demands of the folks that can pay the price
True. But you cannot deny that we are a far cry in the yashrus / temmimus dept than our zedies and babbes were. So change is needed, and it needs to come from the top as well.
Agudah does, (like any good lobbying group) whats in its memebers best interest. Problem is, they rarely hear a disenting voice from the membership (after all, no one wants to be accused of being anti daas torah) so there is little reason for senior managment to to ever fear backlash from the members.
I do take issue with the tone of their convention. (yes.. I’ve been there twice) Never mind the gluttony and endless fashion show. How do they, a torah institution, justify in today’s day and age mixed seating? I know in the founding years they catered to the American Harrys and Sadies (sorry if any of you have / had relatives with those names!), but in 2008? (’09 party was not yet, so maybe they’ll change the venue.. lets be dan l’kav zchus).
No one on the dais would be mesadair kedushin at mixed-seating wedding; why tolerate this? And yes, I know there is no music, but still.. in the presence of the Gedolie Hador? So perhaps, just perhaps, Augudah does not really represent dyed-in-wool bnei torah. Who they really cater to are the Cancun / Aspen goers, who give two hoot about the inconsistancy of torah living and non-stop gashmius.
The year I was there, Rabbi Waxman railed about “how rabboninm should not attend affairs of balei batim who flout the chasseneh takonos!”. This being said as the audience wolfs down poached salmon and runny chip cookies with ice cream.. after a weekend filled to the hilt with 5 star food that would do Micheal Shick proud.
Does anyone else see the irony?
Good point SJS; I guess its beause I’m from the over 40 club that I refer to today’s daters as boys and girls (thank you for making the point)
More likely than not, the mattress contained $10-20K and a whole host of expired bankbooks and decades-old statments. My F-I-L is notorios for opening dozens of squirrel accts ($2500 here, $5000 there) and when they exprire, he moves them to another bank / broker.
Problem is, he keeps the old statment, and is fully convinced that he now has $15,000! (old statements plus the new ones) Do that x times over a 50 year span, and presto! You “left your kids a million $
Not to say that this mattress story couldn’t happen, but to scour the dump? Nah, I don’t think so.
For what its worth; much of the “family heirlooms / priceless diamonds we always heard about as kids turned out to have more sentimental vaule than commercial value. But the spin we used to hear from grandma? The Astors and Rockafellers did’nt possess this kind of riches!
Hopefully, Ms (or Mrs?) Annat has treasure chests full of memories she and momma can reflect on
gavra –
I hear you loud and clear. I have BH 20+ years behind me, and despite the 2 year age gap between us, Mrs and I are essentially on the same page. Some topics are her strong point, some are mine. But we arrived where we are together.
And let me share another secret with the YW audience; When we walked down the aisle, both of us had 2 years WORKING experience (and not counslors in camp… real work)
School of hard knox was an experience that has stuck with us ever since. Time to have an enrollment drive perhaps?
I think a major cause is that today’s 23 y/o boys are underqualified when compared to thier 21 y/o girl counterpart. So rather than ramp up thier own standards (get a better education, job prospect, ect) they prefer to match wits with someone who is on thier own level (a 19 y/o girl who is impressed with bein ha’zmanim trips and things like that).
Hopefully, my boys will be better prepared, and find that they only feel comfortable with someone thier own (close to) their age
The other posters basically summed it up, but I want to add one point, to address your comment RE correlating what you learnt in earth science with what you know / believe to be true from the torah perspective.
I did not hear about the cricket, but along the same lines, I read that, technically speaking, the bumblebee and moth should not be able to fly. Aerodynamically, their bodies should not be able to stay afloat, let alone move thru the skies.