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once again…there is a difference between shikkur, and stoned drunk…plastered…vomiting…stumbling…falling…drunk.

lol i dont think the law would allow you to get a minor drunk, they do make allowences for religious rituals…but i believe you would have some trouble if you got a minor drunk…kind of like if a rastafarian gave a minor weed…and got him high…i believe they would get in trouble as well.

i do not believe getting drunk is covered by religious observance under law…seeing as getting drunk isnt covered by religion itself…

YAY 😀 now onto the US senate…lol

they changed the system to allowing every post on the board and THEN moderate them. i dont think they anticipated this.

can we all stop trying to find ways to justify our teivos and just work on correcting them???

latkes hands down! unless someone makes a deep fried hamentash…latkes FTW :D:D:D

apparently not…i think its more of the netiyah towards fulfilling their teivos rather than real zeal in performing the mitzvah…and we all have to work on our teivos

web chaver is not a bad idea,but i have a system in place where the worst of it is filtered. occasionally something slips through but ive been pretty meticulous in filtering most of it

i think the issue of whether or not to give alcohol to minors on purim should be quite open and shut. as we all know, minors, and in fact anyone has no problem getting alcohol on purim. and we all know that minors have no sense at all when it comes to such thing, and im not bashing minos, many adults have no sense either. therefore, id say you should not give alcohol to minors. they cant control themselves. they are so overwhelmed by the liberty of drinking and so enamored by it that they lose control of themselves, and will drink anything that is liquid. therefore i feel that you should never give a minor alcohol on purim, because chances are he already had some, and youre just making him stoned drunk, or if he hasnt had any, it probably means that he had enough sense not to drink himself under the table, and im sure he’s dealing with enough peer pressure as it is without the added pressure of an adult shoving alcohol in his face. someone who is 21, while he may also be obsessed with alcohol, at least has enough sense to know he shouldnt even if he does drink a lot, and therefore you can offer him alcohol, but you should only do so if he doesnt appear to be drunk yet. if he is drunk already, and you offer him alcohol, you are damaging him, and potentially others, and that should be avoided.

what i have just said goes for the day overall of purim. as for the seuda, first of all, at that point, dont offer anyone hard alcohol. theyve probably been drinking all day anyway, of theyve had something, and they really dont need it. only wine should be served. again, be vigilant as to the state of your guests. if you see that they are already drunk, dont serve them alcohol. you are only damaging them and potentially others. someone who is not drunk, or who will not get drunk by serving wine at the meal, offer them a cup. do not put the bottle in front of them. observe them. observe your guests. if you see one of your guests is getting too drunk, or out of hand, stop giving alcohol. its just common sense. we all know there is a mitzvah to drink on purim, i dont think anyone denies that, but we must be responsible. purim does not fall into the category of “eis laasos lahashem heifiru torasecha” and none of us i hope would get stone drunk during the year because we see it as wrong, therefore no one should get stone drunk on purim, because it is still wrong. as i said above, alcohol on purim can serve a tremendous purpose on purim, it can bring a person to do teshuvah, it can bring a person to better hiself, it can bring a person closer to hashem by breaking down the barriers that we have up all year round. but much like anything in this world, it also has the power to destroy if not used in moderation. of overused, if abused, it has the power to destroy lives, families, friendships, and least of all property, which even though we paskan you are not chayav for, is not advisable, seeing as even that can lead to a destruction of a friendship.

purim is a very auspicious time for us as a klal it is a time where we can really grow and become better people if we use it as it was meant to be used. but it is also a time with the potential for great destruction. ???????? ????????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????????:

and volvie…if they do get stoned drunk, they are wrong, and yes a rosh yeshiva can be wrong…they are wrong because it leads to people like you using them as a heter for over-drinking, and as leaders of the community they are responsible for the influence they have on people.

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lets bear in mind that the tragedy that almost took place instead of the miracle on purim, began because of basically a drinking party. we have to be careful with our alcohol consumption. alcohol has a tremendous power. we all know, nichnas yayin yatzah sod. however if a person gets too drunk, the effect is muddled. a person who is “high” has a great power to improve hgimself on purim. it lowers your inhibitions, which not only makes us do stupid things at times, but also gives us the ability to get past our own inhibitions in terms of teshuva. it gives us the opportunity to look past our inflated egos, and look within ourselves and see that we really need to change and it allows us to truly make a powerful kabala al ha’asid. it gives us the ability to feel a true charata for things we may have done, which is why yom kippur is only “k’purim” we dont have that aid on yom kippur, we dont have this loosening of our inhibitions, we dont have the ease that we do on purim to do a real teshuva. but if you overdo it, of you drink yourslef totally drunk, if you drink yourself sick, if you drink yourself to the point where you have absolutely no control over any of your actions, you lose that positive benefit that the alcohol gives us. hashem gave us a tremendous opportunity to improve ourselves on purim, who are we to throw it in his face???

i know people like that too, and yes a status symbol does give some sort of inflated feeling…but i guess sometimes thats unavoidable

yes it is a great service, because it is blacklisted on their end. although there are ways around even that.

i personally know a few modern families in lakewood, and saying that lakewood is exclusive is wrong. we are all jews, whether you agree or disagree on certain points, is irrelevant to the fact that we are all jews. if you feel that you are better because you are “yeshivish” or because you attend a certain yeshiva…and you think of yourself as a person with just a smidgen of ahavas yisroel, and you feel that you are a person who cares for the wellbeing of every jew both spititually and physically…wouldnt you want them in your community so that you can bring them into the fold? wouldnt you want the opportunity to make them better people and help them grow spiritually?

lets bear in mind that the tragedy that almost took place instead of the miracle on purim, began because of basically a drinking party. we have to be careful with our alcohol consumption. alcohol has a tremendous power. we all know, nichnas yayin yatzah sod. however if a person gets too drunk, the effect is muddled. a person who is “high” has a great power to improve hgimself on purim. it lowers your inhibitions, which not only makes us do stupid things at times, but also gives us the ability to get past our own inhibitions in terms of teshuva. it gives us the opportunity to look past our inflated egos, and look within ourselves and see that we really need to change and it allows us to truly make a powerful kabala al ha’asid. it gives us the ability to feel a true charata for things we may have done, which is why yom kippur is only “k’purim” we dont have that aid on yom kippur, we dont have this loosening of our inhibitions, we dont have the ease that we do on purim to do a real teshuva. but if you overdo it, of you drink yourslef totally drunk, if you drink yourself sick, if you drink yourself to the point where you have absolutely no control over any of your actions, you lose that positive benefit that the alcohol gives us. hashem gave us a tremendous opportunity to improve ourselves on purim, who are we to throw it in his face???

lol

ive done that one a few times 😀

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as for internet…ideally, yes. we should all have filters, because yes, there is a lot of harmful material to be found, or even stumbled upon on the internet. however, sometimes internet filters can get in the way and are removed because of that problem. for example, it would block google docs because google docs happens to share one aspect with google video which is blocked to prevent you from watching google videos or youtube. or ebay may be blocked when you need to order something, or whatever. ideally yes we should all have filters, sometimes though its just not possible, and while that makes the nisayon that much greater, a person will just have to work that much harder and thereby receive that much more schar. there are ways of minimizing on that, by using adblock, flashblock, and various other plugins, but sometimes use of unfiltered internet is just unavoidable.

sleep and drink…and think about how bad you feel so you wont get drunk in the future!!!

FYI…those last few posts arent me…lol schizo. :D:D:D

lol heres something i did last year…i bought little trash cans, and filled them with “junk” food :D:D:D

heres another purim idea…DONT GET DRUNK! there is a fine line between high and drunk, that is the point you should stop at. a freilichen purim

fan…learning all day is not for everyone,

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