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bombmaniac: Do you really believe that their intentions are pure, their actions untainted?
that is absolutely irrelevant.
vnishmartemmeod: you are blowing a very simple issue out of proportion.
the FDA is not in the business of promoting small enterprises. they are in the business of keeping consumers safe when it comes to food and drug purchases. please dont make this into a social-economic issue.
I’m not seeing the issue…maybe its because im an idiot, but lets take the other side of the FDA, the drug part. if lets say a revolutionary painkiller was released by pfizer which worked in 5 minutes for 10 hours, and was the strongest most effective OTC pain reliever on the market, it’s only downside being that after 10 doses, no matter the intervals, you WILL go into cardiac arrest, would anyone here object to the FDA banning that drug? i didn’t think so.
as for unpasteurized milk, i see no problem with the FDA’s position on the matter. it poses a public hazard especially for those who would buy it as a novelty item not knowing the risks inherent in the product. someone above touted a number, 49 people who become ill from unpasteurized milk per annum, and 0 fatalities. how may people who do not own the cow or know the person who owns the cow personally are drinking that kind of milk? please cite that statistic.
i have had unpasteurized milk, and it is quite tasty, however i knew the farmer personally, and the milk was delivered to me the day it was extracted (or so i was told). i was told when it was delivered that i am not to keep it for more than 48 hours. after 48 hours i MUST discard it as it is dangerous to keep raw milk past that point. now i ask you, how cost effective would that product be? suppose stores kept the milk for longer, you run serious risks if you buy it. many people do not know the risks.
as such i believe that the FDA must ban the product for the benefit of those who do not know the risks associated with raw milk and would buy it anyway because of it’s novelty or supposed health benefits.
they are NOT banning the consumption of raw milk, merely the selling of raw milk. your rights are not being trampled on, fear not.
it’s excellent! i really love it! i play it all day at work, and people really enjoy it, especially the costumers, keep it up 🙂 would it be possible to view past playlists? id like to view the songs that have been played previously.
please give me an example of being mevazeh a talmid chacham
as i recall he was punished for being angry by forgetting the halachos…
what BT said. in response to your amalek argument, hypothetically speaking if it came down to that then yes, it would be a big issue. it would not be practical to shout it from the rooftops but not because it is politically incorrect. it would be wrong because that would pose a real danger in terms of pikuach nefesh to jews. people would start killing us for our statements and as a preemptive measure.
gay rights however threatens the lives of no one, at least not in the jewish community. we do have freedom of speech, we can say what we want. sucking up to a candidate who will pervert the morals of our state and by extension the country simply because we want some money, which incidentally could be had if people left kolel, is absolutely disgusting. it is flattering a rasha and assur.
what i said about kolel, i do not want to change the direction of this thread, but to be perfectly honest if you absolutely cannot support your family, then it is your achrayos to get a job if you can.
For the life of me, what was his AIM?
your shvigger.
“His views are ridiculous. His tactics are childish.”
his views are the views of the torah. all those of you opposed to him keep trotting this out. please bring one example where he is directly against the torah. being vehemently anti gay is not against the torah.
“This loon has his own youtube channel! Is this a leader?”
and you’re on youtube enough to know this…what does that make you? having a youtube channel means absolutely nothing, and as far as i can tell there is nothing wrong with having a youtube channel. by the way, everyone with a google account has a youtube channel, and everyone has a google account.
“Rav Sternbuch is a great man, but I doubt he asked Levin to fly to Eretz Yisrael to protest. They have plenty of protesters, trust me. Perhaps Levin flew in and got involved in his favorite past time. He may have even spoken to Rav Sternbuch; does that make his positions in the least bit valid or endorsed by Daas Torah?
Something!”
once again i am confused…WHAT. HAS. HE. DONE. THAT. IS. AGAINST. THE. TORAH?!? for heaven’s sake! GIVE US A CREDIBLE EXAMPLE!!! you sit there bashing someone because he makes you feel uncomfortable, but that is no reason to bash him. what has he done that would warrant gedolim speaking out against him?
“what else does this guy do for Khal Yisrael – not for fundamentalist christians, Khal Yisrael ! – other then shray in their name about Toeva!”
other than shray in their name about toeva…i am STILL not seeing a problem in shraying against gays…i really am not. i mean the torah is vehemently opposed to homosexuality…please explain the problem…
“Do you know that Levin says that terrorist attacks happen because of gays?!”
that is the only objectionable thing i have seen cited against him. i have not sen a source for that…but if he said that then he indeed did go too far. it is not his place and he cannot know that. some of his tactics may indeed need refining but his premise is spot on, and i still see no problems with what he is doing.
there once was a man from Nantucket…
i am very confused here…his approach may be a bit unrefined, however that is the only claim one could possibly have against rabbi levin. you find the anti homosexual distasteful? ah well…the torah would disagree. we ARE homophobic (bigots is a relative term). very homophobic. we detest homosexuality. we look upon it as an abomination. we see it’s acceptance in world culture as an absolute travesty. now…where do you disagree with levin?
on the subject of homophobic, that is an incorrect term. we do not fear them. we detest them.
i would imagine that he was indeed saddened, but couldn’t do much about it.
yes. please cease with the subtle insults. say them straight out.
on point, i always assumed that the actual halachos were transmitted at sinai but over the course of the years, as chachomim were killed and jews were dispersed, and there could no longer be a consensus, the laws were restored by the discourses of the tannaim and amoraim in the beis hamedrash based on what they had heard from their rebbeim. the reason for machlokes i always assumed was because there could be no overwhelming consensus seeing as the sources of halachic knowledge were few and far between at various parts of jewish history and therefore there were only a few mesorahs each of which had to be challenged an analyzed before they could be accepted as actual halacha.
as for moshe in the midbar i assumed that he had gotten the exact oral law as a set of specific halachos, not as debates he would have to sift through. that exact halacha was lost through the course of history and had to be restored by the tannaim and amoraim.
these are assumptions on my part, and i could be wrong, comments please?
i don’t see why anyone would give those radical nut-jobs the time of day. the entire country, and in fact the world knows that these inbred lowlifes are representative of no one but themselves, and that what they spew is of no consequence to anyone whatsoever. they have been condemned time and again for their outrageous, inflammatory, and completely unbased proclamations which are consistently nothing more than unabashed racism and bigotry.
i just have to ask this…popa what makes you assume that people are born good? doesnt the yetzer tov only become an internal force at bar mitzvah? i was always taught that people were born neutral.
or…we can all wear loincloths and make fires by rubbing 2 sticks together
how about with some tongue and butter?
by the way…just a thought…a child who eats, or a choleh, does he or she have to say kiddush before eaating? if so is there anything added? moreover, in bentching is there anything added? i know its a weird question but its always bugged me 😀
pwnt
there were 404 posts when i posted this. olol geeky 🙂
lolwut?
ahh what would the CR be without you 😀
wouldnt you want to pay for the opportunity to get rid of your TV? i could make a business of this…/me wanders off to make ad for yeshivaworld…:D
but seriously, there must be SOMETHING ELSE you enjoy…everyone has something else
i know this is irrelevant…but sorry oomis, SJSinNYC…cant respond to your posts in this one 😀
SJS! i charge 20 bucks an hour to narrate! throw out your TV 😀
and no mexi…apparently not, both her AND her kids watch TV 😀
Let me help you. I’ll post a deleted post for this thread, and then you can do the same. Here it is:
EDITED
i lol’d 😀
mexipal, you’re a bum 😀
got that right
not like books on tape? :O
ah well, i tried 🙂
lol my illegal immigrant loving friend 😀 what’s the difference though? who cares who is watching it?
how did we get to hitting out of love and for the sole purpose of chinuch to threatening kids with ridiculously horrifying tortures…is this supposed to be some kind of alternative…? like the black painted room?
here’s a good tip…take a hammer…smash the screen to bits…collect all the bits neatly into a trash bag…and put it out with your trash.
and SJSinNYC…i have a solution!!! you obviously have internet…because you grace us with your wonderful posts so often…its a mechayeh…might i suggest some wonderful ebooks?
I’m not kidding some are really great, with great narrators. quite enjoyable to listen to, even if you’ve already read the book. it’s like watching a movie…while still leaving the plot open for the imagination! you should try it sometime.
ah well, i suppose we have been in very different situations…i do still maintain that there should be a qualified competent rav present…even if there isnt any sermon…or even if teh davening isnt dragged out. a rav is important.
:D:D:D lol popa 😀
kiddush hashem and chillul hashem are relative to whichever debate you want to win 😀 *
*I am trolling. what i said is not true, nor do i believe that.
awful stupid idea. they usually have way faster davenings, lots of talking and fooling around, and no rav. i suppose if there would be a rav there…a COMPETENT QUALIFIED rav there it could be acceptable.
LOL 😀 you said yeshivah…the only YESHIVAH…is Chofetz Chaim!!! everyone knows that!!!
SJS the SA is saying what you CAN use, not what you MUST use.
yeah with “meshoich” on “up next”
suppose your kids are sticking their fingers up the noses of teh other mispallelim?
i am so tempted to cross threads right now…
no it’s not, because that is regulated by someone else. namely the yeshiva.
you dont have to answer with specifics…just a yes or no…but do you have a special situation that would warrant watching TV?
first off any study conducted on goyim i will disregard. they have no concept of right and wrong, and most of them hit for the wrong reasons. hitting is to teach your kid a lesson he will never forget, but not the way they understand it 😀
as for my wife, no. i would not advocate beis din beating her.
1) beis din does not do it out of love.
2) the marriage is over.
3) you can reason with your wife, with children you cannot.
you are NOT teaching him to solve problems with your hands you are teaching him not to do X. if the lesson he is getting is to hit when he doesn’t get his way, then once again…YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!.
and for your information i truly do understand the difference between the wrong way and the right way. i say my grandfather used to hit me and that i don’t resent him for it, in fact a applaud him for it. my mother lived there too and hit me. for the wrong reasons and in the wrong manner. i resent her greatly. so trust me when i say i know the difference.
feel free to omit his name, but i am rather interested in hearing what he said…what the premise of his heter was.
your arguments are childish because you keep trotting out the “husbands beating wives” or “beis din hitting wives” argument which is patently ridiculous.
but while on the subject…you do realize that beis din hits people to force them to change? obviously when beis din beats you it is radically different from when a parent hits a child…but you do realize that that is why beis din hits right? because sometimes it is the only option. obviously beis din isnt hitting purely out of love…lol i am not advocating malkos for kids 😀
but a parent IS hitting purely out of love. if theyre doing it right.
“however i would wager that if oomis gave you an example you would tell her she was wrong and proceed to suggest another method that may or may not have worked.”
that MAY OR MAY NOT have worked. may…or…may…not. in other words in most cases i would wager 90% IF DONE CORRECTLY (note…IF DONE CORRECTLY) hitting WILL work. (note once again…IF DONE CORRECTLY). other methods…will probably not. i have seen parents try and convince their children not to do X only to have them do X many times over again. and again, i have seen parents who when their child did X hit them (once again…i will keep saying this…DONE CORRECTLY) and the child never did X again.
those studies you trotted out…i GUARANTEE you that if you asked the parents to be honest with you they will tell you that they did not feel love when they hit their kids. THEY! WERE! DOING! IT! WRONG! so please stop trotting out your ridiculous studies.
how do you know to trust yourself? you’re right. you don’t. however look at it this way. if you see yourself as a good person, then if you ever fly off the handle and hit your kid you will feel the same or more pain than the child does. THAT will be your punishment, and it would hopefully change you. again, like i said earlier even if you don’t end up ever hitting your kid, you should work on yourself if you’re scared of doing it.