bombmaniac

theeeeeeeeere we go

“I became ‘frum’ about 42 years ago when it was not in fashion.”

beg pardon?

Abellah why chould they not have been wrong?

negiah! nu!

because women eat like pigs. sure they claim theyre all on diets…but what do you think they do all day? cook? look after their kids? HAHAHAHAHAH thats funny! NO! theyre clogging all the restaurants and fressing. so yeah…they need it more than men do. sure men come home and have a huge dinner…but thats because we dont eat the entire day because were busy…wait for it…WORKING!!!

“bombmaniac-Hey i really like those glasses!!”

so do i 😛

its idiotic. its in order of the alphabet…not qwerty…not dvorak…its retarded. you may get used to it at home, but then what happens if you have to use a normal computer with a normal keyboard

seance

well its hard to truly identify with something you cant quantify. same reason why so many people have problems with emuna. its hard to imagine the anticipation and desire one should feel for moshiach and the bayis shlishi…heres how i do it. i find things in the world that act as a mashal to what i should feel and try to apply it to moshiach and bayis shlishi. for example (and im not kidding) presidential elections. especially obama’s and the upcoming elections in 2012. people are in the dumps now, when the recession struck in 2008 people looked to obama to be their salvation. now people are looking to the conservatives to produce a “messiah” (so to speak) take an example from that and apply it to how you should feel about moshiach. obviously that doesnt fill the need for the “i believe he is coming next minute” but its a start.

or…for bayis shlishi…the world trade center. 10 years ago the towers fell and the WTC was destroyed, and i can tell you that i felt anticipation and pride and a desire to see it rebuilt. when i realized how i felt about WTC i applied it to how i should feel about moshiach and bayis shlishi. it works. it gives me a perspective of what it means to have something great destroyed and then rebuilt. stuff like that happens all teh time. ive had some who disagreed with this method, but it works for me so hey…there you go.

what they said

dandelion…thank you.

im not a chasid of any kine, i just live in BP 😛

no but it seemed like you were.

“bombmaniac.. emes :-). How’d you guess??”

are you chabad?

rikki: im not condoning atheism im explaining it as i understand it. if someone finds our explanation unsatisfactory for whatever reason they go to something else. does it necessarily explain everything? no. but it gives them hope that their questions will be answere. every atheist has a different reason why they find religion unsatisfactory…and yes i read permission to believe. notice he never says that any of those chapters prove the existence of god…its an indication which leads you to emuna.

“if you have questions and believe anyway without reason you are a fool not a ma’min”

they say the same of us. they think were deluded idiots who stick our fingers in our ears and disregard science to perpetuate our delusions. in order to combat atheism you need to really understand their standpoint. im not condoning it at all, im explaining it.

if religion was so ironclad then there wouldnt be atheists. if hashem’s existence were emperically proven there would be no bechira. were all given a choice…we chose frumkiet others choose atheism or other religions. you dont have to like it…thats how it is.

on teh subject of torah vs. science, the argument is almost moot. belief in god allows a variable which science does not. for example the age of teh universe is determined by determining the speed of universal expansion. assuming you want to use the bing bang theory then using that speed you can extrapolate the precise point and tine of origination. allow god as a variable and that inital propulsion is no longer necessary to generate the speed that we observe in cosmic shifts. it could all have been set in motion meaning that the universe could in fact be a lot younger than science believes. thats just one example.

as far as im concerned debates with atheists about the actual existence of god is pointless. heres teh debate ion a nutshell.

“god is a delusion”

“then how do you explain x y and z”

“with a b and c”

“but where did it all come from”

“science will find out”

“we know god did it”

“maybe it was the flying spaghetti monster”

and so on and so forth until both sides either agree to disagree or then end up insulting each other. of someone is takeh an atheist…then leave them alone unless they ask you for help. it isnt worth it and youre wasting your time and energy.

i dont think you really understand how much people are invested in their online personas. so many people have specific reasons why they are online and their online personas are built around that. when you offend that, you offend them and it could be even worse than in real life because like i said many times their online personas are the vulnerabilities which they would never expose IRL but feel comfortable exposing online.

for example. if you have someone who suffers from depression but doesnt tell anyone IRl then comes online and someone offends him, it could drive that person to suicide because they invested their deepest feelings and emotions and vulnerabilities in their online persona, stuff which they never expose IRL, so when that gets attacked its the last straw. when you offend someone online you are offending a “alter ego” of somebody REAL sitting by a real computer in a real house. that person put their real feelings into their online world. be careful what you do with them. its not so pashut.

well look at it from an objective standpoint. we have questions that we cant answer so we place our faith in god. they have questions they cant answer so they place their faith in science and time. that time will reveal the science behind it all. to quote shmuley boteach (and im not a supporter i just really liked this line he used) “the only difference is that our “God” has 3 letters in his name and their’s has 4″ (time…for those of you who didnt get it)

so we look at the world and we look at the torah and we choose the torah for whatever reason each of us has emuna (in varies from person to person) an atheist looks at the world and looks at the torah…sees gaps…(which judaism explains as “its hashem’s cheshbon, we dont or cant understand it) and turns to science. insteead of acknowledging that humanity will never know everything they have faith that in time science will out. so yeah…thats how you get atheists…that and its usually predicated on tzadik v;ra lo rasha v;tov lo or some variant (the world is so unjust that there couldnt possibly be a god to which i usually respond “what if there is a god and he just hates you” always fun to see the reactions)

agnostics want to believe in something but they just cant reconcile their differences with religion so theyre left in limbo picking and choosing from whatever they like. then you have gnostic atheists who unlike regular atheists who belive in no god, believe that there IS no god. theres a subtle difference. agnostic atheists think that the subject of god is irrelevant…they dont believe in god even if he does exist. gnostic atheists believe that there IS NO god. or as christopher hitchins put it…”antitheist”

im rambling…