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Gevalt!
“the girls would break the door down”. Listen here buddy, your typical Ben Torah doesn’t speak like that and even a devout christian would tell you that your just a tad bit coarse…
My point is not to bash you but let you know that you have nothing to be upset about that you weren’t matched with the typical Frum girl. Congratulations and all the best.Thank you for your Shtikle Toirah.
@doingmybest. I didnt see that statement in mada. Did i perhaps miss something or did you see it in perush hamishnayos or moreh nevuchim?
Find out about frum people that make exclusive birthright trips.
Exactly! Christians and Lubavitchers are otherwise normal people who are raised to think foolishly. Well said.
Knaidlach, exactly which bizuy of a talmid chochom are you talking about? That they davened minchah facing the Rebbe? That’s not just a bizuy of a Gaon and Tzaddik, but a bizuy of the Ribbono Shel Olam!
Gadol Hadorah,And what does that have to with the actual moon landing?
Agreed. My objection to the use of the word fool implies that one needs to be a fool to not be maamin according to the Torah. This is not so! Just as a christian does not need to be a fool to believe in jcpenny, a lubavicher need not be a fool to have heretical beliefs.
Everyone knows that black is not a pretty color. so its blashon sagi nahor
What did the rambam say about the moon?
Does that suit me? Almost but not quite. Why insist on calling them fools? They are merely following the mesorah that was bequethed to them by their parents, namely, that the rebbe thought he was moshiach and wanted his chassidim to reveal him as such. Don’t forget that many of these people are now young adults and like the chozrim b’teshuvah may have no way of knowing any better. Perhaps “simple minded” is a better term. This lets known to all that any simple minded minded person educated in chabad is at risk of being an apikorus or having heretical views.
The term “fool” can refer to the lubavicher who proudly told me that half of 770 turned their backs to the aronkodesh and davened minchah (shmoneh esrei) towards the rebbe when he was sick.what happened to my other posts
it looked like several copies of the same thing so I approved the most recent one and deleted the others
If they are called fools by you,
then they have a chiyuv of al yeivosh mipnei hamaligim and to disregard you.Quit the PR game.
These are not “certain fools in chabad”. I have been learning chassidus since i was twenty, been to many chabad houses around the country, and i know many people in crown heights. According to my most generous estimate possible, there are thousands of people who believe the rebbe is moshiach, and hundreds and hundreds who believe the rebbe was never buried. A thousand years ago this would have comprised a respectable religion.
“a ridiculous claim made only made by messianists”. I have heard this claim made by many so-called non messianists as well. Is it the so called radicals within chabad or the gradual radicalization of chabad? radical islam or Islamic radicalization? lhavdil.
“He will never be moshiach”. Yeshivisherockstar, how do you really know? (rhetorical question). A better way of arguing your point is to say that anyone who has not fulfilled all the criteria listed by the rambam in hilchos melachim to identify moshiach, then he is not moshiach. Just as i am not yet moshiach, (and no, i dont think i ever will be moshiach even though i cant prove that. And proof that i will not be moshiach is not needed because i havent fullfiled the criteria of moshiach. So You and I and the lubavitcher rebbe are the same in this regard.)
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Rso, your holding the abarbanel the same way a mishichist holds a rambam.
“according to recent research by menachem friedman”. correct. according to recent research by menachem friedman. by menachem friedman. menachem friedman. and who is this” tzaddik” menachem friedman? hmmm…
WOW. that truly is amazing.
“did he write about it or announce it publicly” . i honestly dont know. i saw it on chabad.org written by tzvi freeman. i think you can contact him via chabad.org for a source. petty doubting doesnt help your cause and just raises serious doubts on yourself.
they dont mean it literally. they are saying that focusing on the personality of a man is getting/got dangerously out of line. You have to be a fool not to agree.
melamdah tiflus
yesh omrim that most of the world is a maaseh satan. pick your satan…
that he shouldnt get smichah is a bari. bari v’shema…
“Schrodinger’s rebbe”. interesting that the lubavitcher attended his lectures in university and later remarked that he especially enjoyed his lectures.
thanks for not adding excessive exclamation and question marks. and also for keeping the emotion down. it makes the post more readable.
@ neville
so speak to a lubavitcher thats a talmid chacham. Btw, the chabadsker knew how to learn.However, the eigel was made with the cheshbon that hashem is above and beyond us, incapable of connecting to us on his Awesome terms and therefore we need to consider something holy without hashem commanding us and that will be our god ch’v. However when he commands you, its not about the command, tefillin are holy not because cow skins are holy, but because its a commandment of hashem. This goes for the whole Yiddishkeit, and its immediately recognized without cheshbon and question that this the case. This difference is evidenced in the fact that they said “eile elokecha yisroel asher hotziacha meieretz mitzrayim”-they replaced the cow for hashem.
@lernt min
there is an obvious difference between saying der rebbe vet helfn and other similar nonsense, to der eigel vet helfn. The rebbe is looked at as a leader of klal yisroel (by lubavitchers) because of his commitment to torah and mitzvos and Hashem. Therefore there is no practical mistake of switching him for God and on the contrary and on the contrary, his only existence is to bring you close to Hashem. Therefore, saying der rebbe vet helfn cannot be considered avoda zara until there is evidence that they have replaced God. (criteria for evidence of avoda zara can be a different, more conducive and practical disscusion)I for one dont think thats avoda zara, i just find it bizarre and out of line.
but i have heard of lubavithcers saying meisiach lefi tumam that they know of other lubavitchers who speak to the rebbe randomly even when they are not by the ohel, and it didnt seem like they thought there was anything wrong with it.
@ lernt min
just so you shouldnt misunderstand me, no lubavitcher davens to the rebbe, as in having him in mind when sayin baruch ata… its unheard of.@ anyusername
before you go on with your explanation i would like to ask you 2 questions.
is that ok with you?@ lerntmin tayrah
good points but dumb last question, of course they would condemn it. i spent a long time in heichal menachem and i know alooot of lubavitchers.@ nevile
Its completely reasonable for one to say that he is lax regarding shina b’sukkah but nevertheless makpid with regards to Teishvu k’ein Taduru (Hence the makpid on shehakol aspect). The Gemara says that the chachomim would nap on the shoulders of each other by the simchas beis hashoaivah and i dont think its because they were meikel in Teishvu….For the record, joseph has a thousand accounts.
And without israel the entire middle east would be one big battlefield, with saudi arabia and all the arab states fighting iran and who knows what else? All the arab countries are relying on israel to keep an eye on iran and every other crazy thing that happens in the middle east. This is basic social studies. There is not one free dollar given to israel. Any otherwise notion is amhaaretzis.
Its a question if America wants to be a world power or a private country. Since world war2 it has decided that a policeman of the world is necessary. No country in the world including america gives free gifts (besides for isreal vka”l). Everything a country does is for its own interest. This is a klal gadol in any diplomatic deal that ever existed.
Chossid, does Atzmus care about you? Yes or No. Pick 1.
Dropping by for a second.
And then again, if they are raised to appreciate the mitzvah the way their Rebbe wanted them to appreciate the mitzvah, and they are not mitztaer that they are not mitztaer (at any level whatsoever), then i would assume there is a good chance that they wouldnt be matriach themselves to sleep in the sukkah just like any other random brooklyn dude doesn”t.
@daasyochid. How could the kedushah of sukkah itself cause tza’ar which patturs from the mitzvah”. The mitzvah is teishvu.
“How do ALL chabad chassidim not sleep in the sukkah when the reality is that they are not mitztaer, they’re not mitztaer that they are not mitztaer, and even if they were, they could do that in the sukka”. Good question. I think a good test to see if they are mitztaer (at any level) is to offer to set up a nice bed in their sukkah in perfect weather and see if they would sleep there or opt to sleep in their house.It is true that one may have many soulmates, does this not render the meaning bashert pointless? The meaning of bashert is simply that the one you are married to is bashert. You could be married to a shrew (i made sure not to) but that is your bashert. Your destiny. The divine plan. On the other hand you could have many soulmates, in other word many potentials. Just as everything in life has many potentials, but there is only one divine plan.
@RSo. where did you get the difference between kum vaaaseh and shev val taaseh? If a group of jews decided to rely on the rishonei ashkenaz (which i honestly never heard of until now) to not put on tefillin you would be ok? True, you said that you understand my objection and that you are protesting from a different angle, but i’m pretty sure i remember you saying that have no objection to the actual minhag, just that they explain it in a krum way, as i’m pretty sure you said that there were people who you think were tzadikkim that did stuff that didn’t coincide one hundred percent with halacha. What gives?
Welcome to me back.
Yeshivos need to be run like a business. There is a demand for yeshivos that demand only whit shirts, and there is also a demand for yeshivos that allow colored shirts to be worn.
because we own the world
@dasyochid. i dont know what you just said.