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Firstly, beruriah was punished severely, her father was killed by the romans, her mother and brother died violently, her two sons died suddenly on the same day, her sister was exiled, her husband ran away and she hung herself. A very clear proof that the riboiboi shel oilom does not want women to learn Gemora. They should rather care for their families, support her husband in learning Torah and she should serve Hashem in the way Hashem wants her to. And the question is whether we can learn Gemora from them, not whether you can ‘teach her one-on-one’.
And its very ironic how you tell me to learn the opinions of Reb Moshe Feinstein as I can guarantee you that R’ Moshe holds of the gemora in kiddushin, rambam and shulchan aruch that women cannot learn gemora so maybe you should learn the opinions of R’ Moshe.BIGBOCHURParticipant@n0mesorah you’re so naïve, you’d prefer to just rant for the fun of it without doing any research of your own. The fact of the matter is the organization uses a renowned female ‘Talmudic scholar’, that’s that, they say on their own website that she is one of their translators. You’d be mental to let your rebbeim teach your children Torah using a source like that. There’s a high chance the translations are twisted and corrupted to comply with their beliefs (i.e. allowing women to learn gemora, not requiring married women to cover hair etc.). Their mehalach is completely threatening our chincuch system and the future of your children. I don’t need to verify that they are her translations, the fact is their translation is not kosher – end of. And you can’t twist my words, I’m not lying, I found a video of a lady singing on the same page as a page of meforshim on the posuk ‘achas shoalti’ on sefaria. If you don’t believe me, google it. If you don’t do your own research, we’ll just shun you for being irresponsible.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@Gadolhadorah
Look up the Gemora in Kiddushin chuf tes omud beis whuch clearly teaches that women are not supposed to learn Torah. You can also find that he The Rambam in Hilchos Talmud Torah 1:13 and the Shulchan Aruch in Yoreh Deah 246:6 pasken that women should not learn Gemora.BIGBOCHURParticipant@n0mesorah your apikorsos is nobody’s problem but your own. If an organization hires women to write their translations for the Torah, irrelevant of what they are translating they cannot be trusted and encouraged. I have no idea who you are but from the sounds of your excuses, I have a nice picture in my head.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@n0mesorah “What’s wrong with sefaria?”
You dont see anything wrong with learning Gemora from women?BIGBOCHURParticipant@Always_Ask_Questions, for all I know there’s a very high chance that you’re a little 15 year old kid messing around on ywn hiding behind a screen pretending to be an adult.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@n0mesorah the eigel also happened before and yet we still have a chiyuv to remember and discuss it every single day. So too, we have this eigel right before us of the use of Torah learning from krum and halachically corrupted sources like sefaria, its poshut avoida zora, as I said, the translations are written by Dr Judith Hauptman – sefaria’s ‘talmudical scholar’. So this morei heter of ‘its happened before’ is pretty shvach. As it was very well put ‘vehn s’gait mivh ohn, shreit min`. You say when it happens to bnei Torah they ‘forget it ever occurred’? Why does the Torah say ‘zochor al tishkach eis asher hiktzafto as Hashem Eloikecho bamidbar’, that seems like the opposite of ‘forget it ever hapened’?
@Always_Ask_Questions interesting and unfortunate that that is the way you think but the title of the page on google is actually “Achat Sha’alti (Psalm 27:4) – Sefaria” so I’m not sure of this accusation that my history is of women singing and therefore google will have taken me to this page? The woman singing was a clip half way down the page. Interesting svora though.BIGBOCHURParticipantTo answer your question @Shlomo 2 I cannot believe you are still not able to understand the simple situation. I typed into google the words “Achas Sha’alti (Psalm 27:4)” with the intention of finding meforshim of that posuk in tehillim, to which google then produced the very first link taking me to the sefaria page of that woman singing. If this is too hard to understand then my only advice to you is to daven ato chonein with a bit more kavonah.
BIGBOCHURParticipantAt the same time @Shlomo 2 you said that the writers of the Sefaria translation is quote “the work of many tens of people, all of them Orthodox, as far as I know. (I worked on it myself.)”. To which I answered that the Sefaria website itself actually very proudly and clearly says that it is the work of non other than Dr. Judith Hauptman who is quote “the first woman to receive a PhD in Talmud and the first woman to be included in Sefaria’s official list of Talmud commentators”. And yet you still claim to have semicha…
BIGBOCHURParticipantJudging by your ‘normal conversation’standards, lechoira you should be on my side to encourage freedom of speech here and the loosening of moderator’s control because all I can see is you frantically labelling other people as am haratzim and baalei loshon hora. And btw I would be very interested to hear which yeshiva was lucky enough to have you (based on your seemingly odd thoughts; namely, Hashem ein lo guf and your suspiciously passionate connection to Sefaria and your mehalech on men hearing women sing…) So where did you learn?
BIGBOCHURParticipantThere’s a gezeira not take mussar from someone whos been sitting on the ywn coffee room for 12 years. Sorry. However, I think it’s brought down that if the person says roiv intelligent comments then there’s room to be meikel but as far as I know the most intelligent thing you’ve said is ‘you are a troll’.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@moderator if you don’t allow my comments which you deem to be ‘attacking posters personally’ then why have you let @☕️coffee addict to post that one there “A person’s brain isn’t fully developed until he’s 25, cut him some slack”?? That seems like quite a direct attack on me. You need to be consistent, not just when it suits your argument.
@Gadolhadorah I would love to use Trump’s Truth platform, I love free speech but unfortunately I don’t use social media so… I’m not sure which ‘godol hador’ you are if you’re encouraging the use of social media?BIGBOCHURParticipantHe would cry seeing you waste your time inciting rechilus about our kollelim and masmidim who sit and learn all day. Maybe you should try it @Rocky.
BIGBOCHURParticipantjackk I’m not sure if you have realised after 2 years that these muzzles don’t actually help anything, punkt fakhert they actually cause way more problems. They just cause you to constantly breathe in your own oxygen that your lungs have already released. The appearance of a surgical mask also creates unnecessary fear for our children and already mentally damaged and vulnerable elderly. Many people will use the same mask for u to 4-5 weeks so they’re only breathing in their own germs. So yes it is hilarious that some people still choose to clog their faces up with this trash.
BIGBOCHURParticipantThe same people who wear these masks are the same chevra who have vaccination parties and the same guys who cry about climate change. It’s funny to see these die-hard fir ekn mentshen who still wrap their faces up with these ridiculous muzzles.
BIGBOCHURParticipantNo one is discouraging these people, they are just making a fool out of themselves.
BIGBOCHURParticipantHow is it busha b’tzibur, dear 🍫Syag Lchochma? No one has a clue who are you are. And I very much agree with HaLeivi!
BIGBOCHURParticipant@Shlomo 2 have you typed into google the words “Achas Sha’alti (Psalm 27:4) – Sefaria”. The first result that comes up is the Sefaria page that I found. I don’t know why you keep going on how I’m making it up, it’s very clearly on the site.
BIGBOCHURParticipantRabbi @Shlomo 2. I honestly don’t know how many times I need to say the same thing to you, I’ve never seen anyone find something so hard to understand. While learning Gemora, I saw brought down in the meforshim a reference to posuk in tehillim of “achas shoalti”. I then looked into the posuk and saw a page on Sefaria about this posuk. Whilst looking on this page about this posuk, they showed a video of this woman – Harav Deborah Sacks Mintz – singing the posuk of achas shoalti. It’s not so hard to understand. The Sefaria page was “Achas Sha’alti (Psalm 27:4) – Sefaria”.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@Benephraim, you make me laugh. If you want to go clearly against the Shulchan Aruch then be my guest, I guess you’re just wasting my time.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@Shlomo2 All I did was search “Achas Sha’alti (Psalm 27:4) – Sefaria” . And please respond to my question RE: Dr. Judith Hauptman
BIGBOCHURParticipantTo all those who are morei heter that it’s okay to use them because they offer a great service, you are directly supporting them. Their functionality is solely dependent on people like to use them. So when you use them, you are keilu funding their existence which is complete treif and apikorsos.
BIGBOCHURParticipantHello again Rabbi Shlomo. If you look on the Sefaria Timeline, they say that in 2021, “they add the works of major female scholars to the library, including the first woman to be included in Sefaria’s official list of Talmud commentators, Dr. Judith Hauptman.”. Dr. Judith Hauptman is the first woman to receive a PhD in Talmud. So when you say “it’s straight from the Koren Steinsaltz edition, which is the work of many tens of people, all of them Orthodox, as far as I know. (I worked on it myself.)”, what exactly do you mean? If you say it’s okay for women to learn Gemora, then I repeat look up the Gemora in Kiddushin chuf tes omud.
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Just to clarify, while learning Gemora I saw brought down in the meforshim a reference to the posuk in tehillim of “Achas Shoalti”. I decided to look more into it when I found on Sefaria a section on this posuk which had a video of chazonus by Harav Deborah Sacks Mintz. So instead of being choshed bichsherim, stop accusing people.
BIGBOCHURParticipantThank you @maskildoresh. If only people would actually stop and realise what treif and tumah you are exposing yourself and your talmidim to. If you want an English translation open an Artscroll. We all know of Reb Moshe Feinstein’s famous passionate endorsement of Artscroll. And besides we know we can trust Gedolim like Rav Nosson Scherman. There’s no need to turn to such a halachically corrupted system, namely Sefaria.
BIGBOCHURParticipant@takahmamash, if you’re really think women are supposed to learn gemora then Hashem yerachem. You can look up the Gemora in Kiddushin chuf tes omud beis whuch clearly teaches that women are not supposed to learn Torah. You can also find that he The Rambam in Hilchos Talmud Torah 1:13 and the Shulchan Aruch in Yoreh Deah 246:6 pasken that women should not learn Gemora.
Edited. This screen name of yours is fairly new here so you might not know that we try to address people’s comments and not call them names or other nasty things.
Hatzlocho
BIGBOCHURParticipant@Shlomo 2, I don’t want to be oiver lifnei eiver but this is what I genuinely came across on the website – I had no intentions of ‘looking for something to hock about’
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And if you really don’t want to be oiver lifnei eiver, nothing could have made you try to post that
BIGBOCHURParticipantJerry walks up to his reform Rabbi and asks “Rabbi, my father is very ill and he will drop dead any day now and I have a major business event for the whole of next week, can I start sitting Shiva now?”. The reform Rabbi answers “No problem”. A few days later, Robert walks up to the reform Rabbi and asks “Rabbi, my son is sitting Shiva, do I have a chiyuv of Nichum Aveilim?”.
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