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Not because I say so. They came highly recommended by referral agencies and principals. Some of them head the board at prestigious hospitals and they cost a small fortune since they don’t accept insurance. That’s not to say they’re not good doctors. Most of them are wonderful people and truly want to help. They are just human and mistakes happen. It doesn’t help that modern medicine is far from understanding the human brain. As a lot of them will admit that medication could frequently be trial and error.
Some people live in a very small box. They have no ability to think for themselves.
I agree with reb yid. Although for extreme cases where the child is completely non functional, a full eval is in order. (Even then I have seen very competent doctors miss the mark with their diagnosis.)
I feel that a lot of psychological, emotional and behavior issues are not understood and treatments for them are administered on a touch and feel basis.
CharlieHall
“My own birth in Pennsylvania is nowhere nearly as well documented.”
That’s why his is so suspect!!!
Lol Health. What was it you wanted to say. Let’s start again. Don’t leave out any exclamation points it might make your position look shaky.
I’m trying to figure out the purpose of this thread.
Have we sunken so low that our current form of entertainment is gossiping about various groups/individuals who do not keep Halacha as obligated and how they transgress? You find such people all across the Jewish spectrum unfortunately.
I think it’s wrong. No good can possibly emerge of it.
Adocs
Not sure you meant my post. But I’ll explain anyway.
Greed and corruption definitely lead to conspiracies. There obviously have been conspiracies in the past. Conspiracy theories, however baseless they are, are a suspicion of conspiracy. Once a conspiracy has been exposed there is no theory.
I was wondering the same thing as Avram in MD.
“The reason you don’t need so many shots when the kid is older, “fewer boosters are needed if doses occur when the child is older” is simply because Hemophilus bacteria is part of the normal flora!”
I was hoping you’d take care of it for me. Thanks.
(I don’t see how what you quoted makes sense but you obviously found some kind of source, plausible to you, which states that older children need fewer boosters)
Health:
Amazing.
You managed to get a license to become whichever medical professional you claim to be. Yet you can’t seem to deduce any logic or reasoning from basic reading comprehension.
I doubt you’ll ever get this straight, based on your agenda.
I never said I’d prove it to you. I said I know this as fact from personal experience. You’re welcome to do the research. I am uninterested in providing details.
Secondly, by your own admission, boosters are needed because immunity wanes. The ones administered later are supposedly enough for life immunity. The sandwich ones, which are administered to cover a couple of years or months become excessive if immunizations are spread out enough.
Thus, I’ve come a full circle in this discussion.
My statement is not false. I know this from personal experience.
A lot of the immunization schedule is based on the antibodies a baby gets from its mother and when they “expire”. Boosters are needed to increase the immunity as the child grows and/or develops more of their own immune system. The in between ones usually become unnecessary.
I don’t have to prove anything. You consider yourself an expert. Review the schedule of recommended immunizations and their boosters. You’ll find that certain ones are not administered if not done in the recommended time frame.
Nobody here is supporting anti vaxers (as far as I can tell). Its personal choice and self education that’s being defended.
Theories are only till they are proven. Were there conspiracies between various people and agencies for certain gain? Yes, obviously. They only remained a secret until they were exposed and proven in public.
Powers and greed are the two main reasons shady deals are crafted. As long as the human species exist there will be all sorts of conspiracies.
1. Don’t know if this still applies today, but if you spread them out enough you miss out on a couple of boosters and gain the same immunity.
2. If a child reacts with a high fever every time he/she gets vaccinated, spreading them out gives them breathing room.
Health – if I ask you if the period on your keyboard is broken because you’re overusing your exclamation point and you answer that if You don’t want to read my post then don’t, your not addressing the issue (yelling on a public forum). You’re trying to outshout me and get me to keep quiet before others will come along and agree with me.
If medical proffessionals need to be so arrogant about their patient’s need for more spacing or reduction of certain vaccines that is suspect.
How is the number of children going to affect the balance of available boys to available girls? If you’re going that route you’d need to enforce selective pregnancies based on gender.
There are, unfortunately, some halachos that aren’t properly followed because of the herd mentality. Why stick it in people’s faces?
Sam, I strongly disagree with you. Every time one of these pictures that are not tznius is posted, a little more of our senses are dulled. You have enough of this going on and eventually it gets to a point where it’s ok and normal. And then every couple will need to have such a picture.
ABS :
The onus is on big pharma to make me feel comfortable enough with their sterility and the safety of each vaccine. My job is to protect myself and dependents as best I can with the information available to me.
I’m not disputing the benefits we get from vaccinating in general. I’m protesting the overuse of it. That should be something, I, as an individual should have a right to decide.
Mrs. Plony
There are reputable medical doctors that somewhat oppose giving all the many vaccines. Some say that the vaccines aren’t as sterile as you think and there’s a lot of other junk in there. They recommend only vaccinating against the big sicknesses and the ones your child might have a chance of getting.
Also, nobody knows how the varicella vaccine will affect kids in the long run. Immunization does not guarantee immunity. As a matter of fact, there are instances where people have the chicken pox after being immunized. There is a danger in pregnant women being exposed to the virus. By preventing a natural strong defense, a vulnerable immunity is created. Regular testing of immunity would be proper
Charliehall: What do you gain by hiding the truth? Diff Types of insurance plans and rates are available depending on which state you live in. I know there are plans with benefits available in NJ that one cannot buy in NY from the same carrier.
Anyone who has been awake for the past few years and was actively involved with buying health insurance knows that Obamacare put millions of uninsured onto Medicaid, removed a lot of important benefits from active plans (or got rid of the plans entirely), and raised premiums so high that if you did the math it almost doesn’t even make sense for healthy people to own health insurance.
I don’t know about trump’s plan. I hope it will not be relevant. If people would actually vote with their minds instead of blindly doing as their told we might not be repeatedly cheated.
Flatbush
perhaps the conservatives should start a new party.
yehuda
Lol. That’s the second time in one day.
I think any republican still enamored by Trump should watch the debate from last night. Being in a republican debate bashing former republican presidents and policies is very disloyal to the party he wants to represent.
It’s glaringly obvious that he’s very liberal (and nuts) and to think that he might have a chance to nominate the next Chief Justice is quite chilling.
WIY: You can study all you like. Fact of the matter is that the family dynamics are artificial. There is no way that any such “family” can have a kiyum. It just creates a bigger bilbul and greater mashchis that ever before in history.
Morally, I don’t understand how a doctor can do ivf on a woman whose not living with her donor.
jewish fem and charliehall: I just love watching people bring up different topics or “worse” aveiros when the subject matter at hand is tickling people’s conscience.
Akuperma: Thanks for that explanation. I was always very bothered by the idea that I pay taxes into a system that legalizes behaviors that are against basic morality. Now I realized that they have redefined marriage. Not the way they intended rather as an economic and efficient way to deal with different situations. I can’t wait to see the heyday tax lawyers will create out of these new regulations. I’m all for polygamy being legalized now. It might just be the answer to avoid inheritance tax.
(We just have to come up with a different term to use instead of what we used to use for nesuin – the traditional act of binding man with wife. ie: my cousin just got “nesued” last night 🙂
The point is not that younger children are dumber than the ones a couple of months older than them. The point is that at such a young age kids make tremendous developmental strides in a short amount of months. Hence the idea of dividing young kids up according to age. Actually, where I live, they do it in the boys school and the girls and it makes a huge difference. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, but in general maturity and acquiring basic fundamental concepts are better achieved and received in classes divided by age.
Usually by second grade they mix the classes and you have all months in every grade.
I rest my case.
So your complaing about murders and instead of going after the murderers your gonna go after a political organization? Theyre not stopping us from protecting ourselves against the massive onslaught of illegal weapons.
Why do you keep bring up the nra ? For all i care the heck with them. The way you keep attacking the nra proves to me that you have a political agenda.
Ok. My bad. There are gangs in europe. A relatively insignificant amount. Enough so that you have articles stating there are none and and articles mentioning a couple.
I did the research and all pointed to no gangs but street violence yes. Big difference. High violent crime.
Legal system is worthless if not upheld.
There are no gangs in europe.
Incidentally there are lots of them in the russian region where the homicide rates are extremely elevated.
Going back to the middle east. You have criminals with evil intent that possess large stockpiles of weapons. And then you have israel who also own weapons for self defense purposes. If israel would agree to such a proposition it not only would be extremely stupid it would be suicidal.
If you only have one side listening to rules because youre afraid to start up with the other side youre just creating more victims.
I dont know why your not getting this. As long as our country is flooded with illegal guns coming from less than stellar sources, it would make no sense, actually it would be dangerous, to keep putting restrictions on normal law abiding citizens who would actually go through the background check.
The politicians arent saying this because it brings up the whole border thing and of course illegal immigration which equals less votes. To go believe their propaganda is being truly naive and taking attention away from where it is needed.
Why dont we try to take back our country, clean up our act, and then if there are still issues then we will have two willing participants to this conversation.
So on hand you say its a culture thing with nothing to do about it and on the other hand you say its got nothing to do with culture. Youve got to make up your mind.
Besides as stated before we dont have the same environment as europe. They basically have sealed borders, by nature of continent, and a very low tolerance for diff types of people with no regard toward human life. They are just not accepted there. They also have a terribly high violent crime rate in virtually every part of their countries. Then again I dont see what we stand to gain.
Lets do some math. US homicide rate is 4.7. Take out 30-50% gang related deaths and youre over 2. According to all the vast majority of gun homicides are comitted with illegal weapons i would say its fair to put us between 1 &2. Even playing field. Now take into account the different reporting by countries and you see that we dont know what we are comparing. We dont have a particularly high rate of violent crime.
Considering the fact that our borders are still open wide, we are extremely welcoming to all even ones trying to hurt us (last weeks events), our government refuses to do its job and enforce laws already on the books. Why do you think another law like this would help save lives? I believe that if wed be enforcing laws we have today, wed be a pretty peaceful country.
Ok. Basically your telling me that many more than 50% of homicides are comitted using illegal guns. We have all these weapons in the hands of god knows what type of creeps but we should pass more laws and background checks to further restrict legal weapons. How does that make sense. Uh uh! I’m more convinced now then I was before that we need them for self defense.
Its like saying that the middle east needs to disarm. Ok Israel give up all you advanced bombs and weaponry cuz your the only one thats gonna listen anyway. Dont worry well take care of you…
I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not with your second statement.
I checked it up. Its hard to know for sure but according to fbi and us census data gang related homicides make up between 30 – 50% of all homicides. Thats a significant number you cant just not care about.
It really does not make sense to discuss european countries because of different nature of environment. We dont even want to have their criminal atmosphere, its very bad. So why bring proofs of countries that we dont want/ cant emulate?
By the way japan has pretty healthy ethical culture. They are hard working people, very family minded and extremely respectful as a whole. That must say something.
France and england have an epidemic of violent crime.
I would believe that if you factor out gang violence you would see that our country is pretty peaceful. (No backup data)
Citizens and senators were supporting it because they had to do something, so they tapped in the dark.
Mass shootings and domestic disputes can be helped if with armed guards at public places and training of people on correct use of firearms to use in self defense.
Incidentally, the us has less suicide rates than a lot of countries with strict gun control. So no relationship there either.
What is clear, is that religious countries, ie. Cleaner cultures, have the lowest suicide rates.
If you wanted to have a conversation with yourself why would you go through the trouble of making another screen name? Just say whatever it is you want to say out loud and then answer it.
You can even change your voice if you want to.
Or, go to the mirror with finger puppets and act it out there.
Why embarrass yourself in public like that?
1) It wouldnt work. There ared no morals in todays society. You should be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. (Thrill of violent media to thrill in real life)
I would definitely not want a crime like atmosphere like most in europe have. It is a lot safer walking the streets of nyc in the middle of the night than walking the streets of france or england in broad daylight. Lets leave them out. They just dont come into our picture at all.
My view here is irrelevant because I would hate to see the goverment doing away with all rights they deem wasteful.
2) Thats why theres deliberation 🙂
4) i checked there is no direct relation.
5) Whose talking nra? I thought were talking good for country.
I dont know seventy percent of the other murders were successful so what are you getting at. Is it easier to kill with a gun? Of course. But what if lanza would have planted a couple of bombs? Stabbing is not the only way to kill people. I dont know what goes through the guys heads and where they get their thrill from. If someone plans a mass killing it usually goes with a lot of preplanning (hence the gun free zones chosen). It doesnt take a lot to know that knives dont take you very far. Theyd figure something else out.
As terrible as it is, I dont think the mass killings are whats bringing up o the ur numbers so high. For mass shooters one or two armed security guards at public places would do trick. I think that its inner city gang violence mainly. All other violence is what Im afraid of and thats why I want my gun.
Thank you moderator for having the patience to moderate these long posts.
1) Background checks dont come into play here. I would dump the violent culture first. Yes. If the government wouldnt be so good at messing everything up i would support a ban on all things violent in nature. We as a people need to decide that we’ve reached our tolerance limit for violent crime and collectively decide not to support a violent culture. It could start with education … but then people will be yelling first ammendment.
2) The US laws are sacred in a secular way. You dont just write them to show that your trying to do something. Every law written, no matter how innocuous, slowly chips away at our freedom and could eventually come back to bite us. We are supposed to deliberate and debate them rationally, not politically or emotionally to see if it is really necessary or practical.
3) I never insinuated that they were. I said the guns were illegal. I dont think they were registered in their name.
4) Explain to me how calif , with the tightest control, proves that the laws work when they are number 18 – with one being the most murders. They are in the 25% that have the most homicides. They also had the most murders last year. I dont want to get more “perfect” than that.
5) Most of this topic was covered under 2&3. But whats to stop anyone from using the gun? Should you be banned from purchasing a gun if you have a relative who is/ needs/ should be/ will be in need of mental health care? There are enough guns circulating legally and illegally that background checks would do nothing but create a database of people that own firearms or want to own firearms. That is a violation of my privacy.
6) Me thinks the nra is highly politicized.
Actually i would argue differently. The percentage of gun related deaths would have to be much probably over 90% to prove what you are saying. If you would say most, or close to all murders are gun related and the rest were not then it would mean that the release of more guns would add to the total homicide. The fact that only 30% is gun related proves that one with an intent to kill will kill even without a gun.
Canadas culture/ environment is totally different then ours. I dont believe they have the same immigrant problem like we do.
Interesting thought:
In Canada, where gun control is very strict, of all homicides only 30 percent are caused by firearms. How did the other 70 percent kill? If guns cause murder rates to go up the percentage of firearm related deaths should be much higher.
There is one post before the one you just read that did not go up yet so u didnt read everything.
I never said under reporting i said different reporting. For instance were the victims in the norway shooting reported as homicide or just terrorism or hate crime?
I dont think there is a country in europe that allows guns and i dont think they have as many illegal weapons being smuggled in like we do. So they have an entirely different environment and what/if something works for them it does not mean it will work for us.
Another thing about european countries is that they have a lot of extremist groups there so if someone wants to hate they have plenty of company there. They dont have to act out on their own. They just train together and wait for their party to be elected into power or given a voice. They think their day will come yet. They themselves are pressure cookers waiting to explode. If they dont get arrested first.
One more thing. We will have a very hard time recognizing it as a cultural thing because then you run into first ammendment issues. So there will definitely be alot if backlash on this.
ubiuitin: Im obviously not an expert. But once we are having this discussion lets bring up a couple of points.
1) I think, although Im not sure that most mass murderers that we know of was involved somehow in a violent culture thing be it vidoes and games, religious fanatics, or disallusioned military nincompoops. Once accepted a normal and natural people dont recoil so quickly.
2) goverment is not perfect they are part of the problem. As long as they are not held responsible on real issues they just create bigger messes. ( i would bring up obamacare but not here it would be fun to do it in another thread)
3) Reallypart of 2 we have so many laws that are not enforced. Why dont we listen to ourselves for a change and do the logical thing and prevent the illegal and detrimental. We yell about the cost of caring for illegal immigrants. We yell about the crime that comes along with them. We are upset about the poor standard of living they bring along. And yet we refuse to seal the borders. If we dont want to protect ouselves then dontbut dont yell about in political campaigns, on the house and senate floor, in the media then write another bill tht we have no way of enforcing. (Now call me racist). Dont force me to give up my rights because the government refuses to do its job of protecting me but keep on pandering to non citizens and looking away because it might gain votes. Its insensical.
4) we already tried it in california and it was proven that it doesnt work in this part of the world.
5) Im not okay with anyone just getting hold of a gun, but as long as there are so many illegal ones out there i dont want any more restrictions on the legal ones. I view it as a real self defense issue.
Finally, i do believe that if we were to work on this together outside of politics or government for that matter and truly want to do whats good for the country, not either side if the aisle or specific political gains, we would be able to come up with something much more logical and timeworthy.
california which shares our environment has relatively very strict gun laws and has the most murders in the country.
Yes i think that we need to do something about the murder rate but a swat in the dark based on inacurate information is a stupid way to go. It just makes you feel like you did something but in reality nothing was accomplished and you chipped away a little more of our rights.
Daniela:
As stated above, worldwide statistics are not statistics just some list the holy un compiled asking each country to report themselves, no oversight.
The enivironment in europe is totally different than here in the us as well. We really cant just take one study and apply itto ourselves without lookingat the whole picture. There is almost no right to bear arms in practically all of europe. Even the police there are not armed with a gun.
The us does have the second ammendment for a reason. we refuse to close our borders and we have illegals streaming into the country along with smugglers. We have dangerous cartels just south of the country that would do anything to make a couple of bucks.
This is a very dangerous situation as i see it. The good guys being sitting ducks and the bad guys having every type of weapon at their disposal.
The goverment that wants to oversee us sent guns to mexico illegally and those guns made their way back into the us to haunt us. We dont even know where they are today. And you think goverment oversight will stop or prevent murders?