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Nomesoreh
The “problem” is that we do not live in Utopia.
We live in the real world with real issues.
The world is comprised of human beings who are complicated each with their own set of issues.
Communisim/Socialismrefuses to recognize that.Reb Eliezer.
I do not think that it takes learning from example to understand it’s unwise to send infected people back into old age homes.
It takes a modicum of common sense.
Nothing is bothering me.
Why do you ask?Reb Eliezer,
I am also curious why do you state Florida & Texas while leaving out California?New York had the most deaths by far.
I really hope that Texas & Florida does not learn from NY (Unless it’s what not to do)
Actually a prominent Rosh Yeshiva zt”l who grew up in Europe and saw the destruction socialism wreaked explained to me the following.
In Europe the level of :poorness” was something we could not understand people literally had barely enough to eat and had to work unbelievable hard for what they did have.
Communism/socialism came along and promised them from now on they would have what to eat and would no longer have to work so hard. Life would be good.
So he explained there was a tremendous Yetzer Horah,
Now in America when he explained we all have “breakfast like a king” and the Yetzer Horah of Socialism is much less.
What is sad to me is to think that we have become so spoiled from the wealth that the Capitalist system has created raising the American standard of living to untold heights that we have forgotten what suffering Communism/Socialism brings.
Again I fail to understand you.
a) No I am not a “conservative” to the core.
I am what Rabbi Gifter zt”l termed a Torah Jew.My values are informed and shaped by the Torah which is timeless.
My morality is informed and shaped by the Torah which is timeless.
I understand that I am far from perfect or the ideal. That is the point of life. The struggle between the Yetzer Horah & the Yetzer Tov.
However I define what is moral based upon the teachings of the Torah.
I define what is right based upon the teachings of the Torah.
And as a member of the Jewish People who have been persecuted for millennia I look towards which political party is more safe for my people.
As such I currently identify with the Republican party. They are more in line with my values then the Democrats by a long shot & they are more safe for the Jewish people.
Actually they could
President Trump has offered Federal assistance more then once and the Mayors of Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, & New York have all turned it down in favor of continuing the vandalism.n0mesorah,
Are you ignoring reality?
There is unrest now because democrat Mayors and politicians are actively stopping the police from enforcing the law.n0meseroh,
Look if you want to criticize Trump do it.When you devolve into stupid attacks with no basis in reality it becomes really immature.
Actually the reason I identify with Conservatives are many.
a) America has been a haven for the Jewish People because of the concept of “freedom” even though we were hated for most of the history of the USA, very little could actually be done against us on a legal level because the bedrock principle of the USA was that i have freedom to do what I wand as long as it does not affect you.
This principle is non-existent in Liberal circles.
b) I view it as a Chilul Hashem to vote for a party that is in open war on the concept of G-D
c) The modern day liberal democrat party has become home to open anti-semites and refuses to even attempt to condemn them.
d) the modern liberal democrat party has a history of failure and is for implementing policies with a proven history of failure.
So you are going back over half a century?
CTLawyer
Here are Facts
In 2015 nenebers if the Senate Armed Services commitee urged Obama to grant lethal assitance to the Ukraine so they could defend themselves from Russia.
Obama refused.
Trump did not.Trump requested 17 billions dollars for the EDI (Europes defense initiative to protect them from Russia) with 17 billion dollars as opposed to Obama asking for 5 billion.
Infamously Obama responded to Assad, Russia’s client) crossing his own red line by gassing his own people with nothing.
Trump sent missiles.
But Trump is the Russian flunkie because CTLawyers daughter worked etc…
Cute
I am curious
Bid Chavez or Maduro state that he was trained in carrying out atrocities?
Perhaps Fidel Castro?Huh?
Are you trying to make sense?Lets be clear why CT Lawyers taxes have increased.
Because Trump passed a Tax Bill that someone could only deduct a certain percentage of State Taxes from their Federal taxes.
He did this in order to lower taxes for the rest of Americans.
So taxes were raised on a small percentage of wealthy individuals and lowered on the rest of the USA.
And Libs are against it.
He has lost money by running for office and that is why he won’s show his taxes.
But somehow he is enriching himself through private office.
He supplied lethal weapons to the Ukraine, to aid them in their fight against Russia, something Obama refused to do.
Yet he is Russia’s stooge.
The Liberal Governor of New York forced nursing homes to accept sick patients during the height of COVID possibly killing up to 6000 individuals.
But Trump has “killed thousands”.
His daughter is a Jewish convert one of his closest advisors is an Orthodox Jew and happens to be his son-in-law.
But Trump is an anti-semite.
The Cities of New York, Chicago, Minneapolis are being turned into shooting gallery’s.
But Trump Does not care about “Black Lives”
And the Libs claims to be logical?
And Yes I am aware of marxism.
It is a theology that gave birth to some of the most terrible atrocities to have ever taken place.
I do not at all feel that President Trump gives a “pass” to racist speech.
I actually listened to the Mt. Rushmore speech where he quoted Martin Luther King and celebrated Black achievements.I paid attention the State of the Union where again he made a point of celebrating Black heroes in this country.
I paid attention to him actually passing sentencing reform bills specifically aimed at mitigating the damage done by Biden to the Black community.
I have paid attention to his record that includes actual outreach to the Black community in ways never attempted by a Republican President.
And yes I am aware that the Liberal media is terrified by that. Because if he is actually successful in showing that the Democrats have produced nothing but misery for the Black community and it is the Republicans who are attempting to fix it up.
The democrats will lose a significant portion of their voting base.
So they must start a race war.
So let me get this straight.
That President Trump states Freedom of Speech regarding the Confederate Flag, alarms you.That the founders of the BLM movement refer to themselves as trained Marxists does not.
From Wikipedia
Lenin’s Bolshevik government initially shared power with the Left Socialist Revolutionaries, elected soviets, and a multi-party Constituent Assembly, although by 1918 it had centralised power in the new Communist Party. Lenin’s administration redistributed land among the peasantry and nationalised banks and large-scale industry. It withdrew from the First World War by signing a treaty conceding territory to the Central Powers, and promoted world revolution through the Communist International. Opponents were suppressed in the Red Terror, a violent campaign administered by the state security services; tens of thousands were killed or interned in concentration camps. His administration defeated right and left-wing anti-Bolshevik armies in the Russian Civil War from 1917 to 1922 and oversaw the Polish–Soviet War of 1919–1921. Responding to wartime devastation, famine, and popular uprisings, in 1921 Lenin encouraged economic growth through the market-oriented New Economic Policy. Several non-Russian nations had secured independence from the Russian Empire after 1917, but three were re-united into the new Soviet Union in 1922. His health failing, Lenin died in Gorki, with Joseph Stalin succeeding him as the pre-eminent figure in the Soviet government.
By early 1918, many cities in western Russia faced famine as a result of chronic food shortages.[249] Lenin blamed this on the kulaks, or wealthier peasants, who allegedly hoarded the grain that they had produced to increase its financial value. In May 1918, he issued a requisitioning order that established armed detachments to confiscate grain from kulaks for distribution in the cities, and in June called for the formation of Committees of Poor Peasants to aid in requisitioning.[250] This policy resulted in vast social disorder and violence, as armed detachments often clashed with peasant groups, helping to set the stage for the civil war.[251] A prominent example of Lenin’s views was his August 1918 telegram to the Bolsheviks of Penza, which called upon them to suppress a peasant insurrection by publicly hanging at least 100 “known kulaks, rich men, [and] bloodsuckers”.[252]
Requisitioning disincentivised peasants from producing more grain than they could personally consume, and thus production slumped.[253] A booming black market supplemented the official state-sanctioned economy,[254] and Lenin called on speculators, black marketeers and looters to be shot.[255] Both the Socialist Revolutionaries and Left Socialist Revolutionaries condemned the armed appropriations of grain at the Fifth All-Russian Congress of Soviets in July 1918.[256] Realising that the Committees of the Poor Peasants were also persecuting peasants who were not kulaks and thus contributing to anti-government feeling among the peasantry, in December 1918 Lenin abolished them.[257]
Lenin repeatedly emphasised the need for terror and violence in overthrowing the old order and ensuring the success of the revolution.[258] Speaking to the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Soviets in November 1917, he declared that “the state is an institution built up for the sake of exercising violence. Previously, this violence was exercised by a handful of moneybags over the entire people; now we want … to organise violence in the interests of the people.”[259] He strongly opposed suggestions to abolish capital punishment.[260] Fearing anti-Bolshevik forces would overthrow his administration, in December 1917 Lenin ordered the establishment of the Emergency Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, or Cheka, a political police force led by Felix Dzerzhinsky.[261]
n0mesorah,
Google Stalin’s works the first result results is for an archive of his works preserved by Marxists.
Glad I could educate you.“Lenin caused a lot of trouble. But never even thought of political genocide.”
The figures of victims of Leninism, from November 1917 to January 1924
More than a million people murdered for political or religious reasons.
Between 300,000 and 500,000 Cossacks killed.
Hundreds of thousands of workers and peasants killed for striking.
240,000 killed in the suppression of the Tambov rebellion.
More than 50,000 white prisoners of war executed.
Between 3.9 million and 7.75 million deaths from famines among Russians, Kazakhs and Tatars’in the summer of 1917 Lenin wrote a book, “The State and Revolution”
In the book, in addition, he already advanced with absolute frankness and before coming to power that violence would use it “both to crush the resistance of the exploiters and to direct the enormous mass of the population, the peasants, the petty bourgeoisie, to the semi-proletarians, in the work of “starting up” the socialist economy.” Years later, one of the closest collaborators of the communist dictator, Leon Trotsky, would write Lenin’s words to those who were reluctant to use terrorism: “Do you really believe that we can be victorious without using the most ruthless terror?”Again glad I could educate you.
n0mesorah,
I assume that you state that you fullfill the chiyuv of Anim Mamin which codifies the obligation of each Jews to long for Moshiach?HuJu,
I appreciate you stating “There is so much wrong in these comments”
Perhaps you can be specific?Just top clarify what the “mainstream media” will not tell you about BLM
The following info is readily available from many sources,
“As Black Lives Matter activism continues to spread throughout the country—with demonstrators calling for the defunding of police departments and radical overhauls to significant portions of the United States—a video resurfaced this week in which one of the founders of the black activism group affirmed that she and her co-founder are “trained Marxists” who are well-versed in “ideological theories.”
Though it is ostensibly a group dedicated primarily to fighting and ending racism and police brutality in the United States, Black Lives Matter itself deals heavily in language and rhetoric steeped in left-wing ideology. The group states on its website that it is dedicated to “issues concerning racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform, Black immigration, economic injustice, LGBTQIA+ and human rights, environmental injustice, access to healthcare, access to quality education, and voting rights and suppression.”
Those progressive fixations do not appear to be accidental. In a video interview from 2015, one of the group’s founders admitted that she and her fellow co-founder are dedicated to the ideology of Karl Marx, the father of “scientific socialism” and foundational figure of the international communist movement.
Patrisse Cullors, who founded the group with Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi in 2013, was interviewed by Morgan State University Professor Jared Ball in 2015 regarding the movement she helped to create. Ball in that interview asked Cullors about “critiques” of her group, ones that allege “a lack of perhaps ideological direction in Black Lives Matter that would allow it to be, to fizzle out.”
Responding to that question, Cullors said that the group “do[es] have an ideological frame.”
“Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories,” she said, adding that the group’s founders sought to “build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.”
n0mesorah,
I am not referring to any “parve” statements.
I am referring to the stated goals of the founders and leaders of the BLM movement.They have openly stated they are Marxist.
They have openly stated that they have studied the works of Marx,Lenin, & Stalin
3 of the most prolific mass -murders in History.
Men who murdered 10’s of millions and plunged millions more into poverty.
After 9/11 the inquiry stated that “they were at War with us but we were not at war with them”.
A good part of the reason is becuase even though they openly stated their goals. The West refused to beleive them.
I suggest we learn from History.
If they state they are Marxist. If they Have studied Marxism. Then how about we believe them?As a Jew I would like to state openly and clearly I am fully comfortable with all that is written in the Torah.
And yes I realize that modern day “morality” is in conflict with portions of it.
That is why my version of reality is influenced more by Pirkei Avos then the NYT ethicist.
And I am fully aware that that means I find some of the “morals’ of the Liberal Left to be very immoral.
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Dear Ben,
Your post does not seem to reflect a strong sense of history.n0mesorah
Can you elaborate on what you mean?Regarding the President.
I wonder what would happen in Russia if respected media organs such as CNN of the NY TIMES tied writing about Putin the way they do PRes. Trump?
How about Iran or China?Reb Eliezer.
You are being disingenuos.
I realize that you hate the President but the legal matters surrounding Mary’s book are complex.
And the tv shows interviewing a member of a family that is itching to get back at the whole family for perceived wrongs are making fools themselves.Most decent sized families in America have one of those.
A person flying a swastika disgusts me personally.
But again flying a swastika is an expression of that persons freedom of speech.
If I were to take away that persons right because it offend me. And not just me but the majority of the USA (hopefully) then what is to be when wish to celebrate publicly my children learning Chumash?
As a minority we are simply foolish if we do not realize that suppressing and freedom of minority’s is only putting us in danger.
It is mind boggling to me how completely devoid of historical knowledge Liberal Jews seem to be.
the Jewish people have thousands of years of experience in exile. We have been kicked out of one country after another.
for the last couple of hundred years we have been fortunate enough to find refuge and prosperity in this “Medinah shel Chesed”
It was named that by our grandparents who lived through the horrors of the countries that we were in previously.
Do you think they came to a country that loved them?
That was free of Anti-Antisemitism?
If you know anything about the history of the United States you know that the History of the United States is replete with Anti Antisemitism at every level. Look up a synopsis of the video Gentlemens Agreement.Yet still they moved here.
Still they prospered here.
Still we thrived here.Because even though we were hated by many.
Even though Anti-Antisemitism was rife.
The founding bedrock of the United States was one thing.
Freedom.
You can have beliefs I believe are abhorrent,
You can hate me.
But as long as I don’t act on them.
As long as I do not try and force them on you .
You have Freedom.
Freedom to worship as you wish.
Freedom to talk as you wish.
Freedom to dress as you wish.
Freedom to live where you wish.The second those freedoms are compromised.
We are all in danger.
We are a minute minority.
Do you really think that Liberals will stand up and defend our right to teach Chumash the way we wish?
Do you really think they do not find ideas in the Torah to be contrary to their belief system?Do you really think the heads of the BLM movement who have expressed their intent to destroy the nuclear family to respect out family way of life?
The only thing that differentiates the USA from most of the Arab world where a Jew cannot live.
From England of old which banned Jews from living there.
From Spain, Portugal, & the rest which kicked out all who did not convert is simply Freedom.And as Jews we should know that.
I fail to see why in the world someone who want control on borders and an orderly immigration process is against “immigration”.
No they are not.
Just as Trump who is actually married to an immigrant who speaks with a heavy accent cannot be “against” immigrants.
However being pro-immigrants does not mean having no border.(And by the way I never referred to America as “my” country)
Sorry I did not realize that policies now cannot be criticized because policies 50 years ago were different.
I am just curious.
How is the any place the institutes a policy of “affirmative action” not a place with the existence of “institutional racism”?It’s cute how any time that you a Liberal Democrat cannot win a debate on facts they resort to insults.
Facts: Comparing Open Borders prior to the era of the welfare state to the era of the welfare state is a purposeful ignoring of reality.
Facts: I have a business and I actually produce things in the USA. I have visited these towns. I have been in these factories. These places were decimated by Democrat policies. These jobs were destroyed by Democrat policies.
To accuse people who simply wish for their own country to not continuously stab them in the back of being akin to Hitler ym”s is disgusting.
But to state that slavery is/was an American thing is just simply false.
In fact slavery still exists in parts of Africa.
Child slavery is actually the source of many soldiers in many conflicts.
Blood Diamonds is the term used to refer to diamonds produced through slave labor.
So to state that slavery was an American problem is plan and simply false.I think that a distinction must be drawn between statues to Jefferson Davis whose primary claim to fame was President of the Confederacy & Washington whose primary claim to fame was as a founder of this nation.
However, ubiquitin, I would point out that strictly from what you have provided as evidence it seems that the Civil War was not about slavery.
You see from what you have provided it sees SC primarily objected to the fact that the North was trying to impose their will on the Southern States, even though they objected.
Incidentally slavery was the agent they used to do that.
However it was not a secession because they viewed wished to own slaves rather it was because they felt that it was none of the Norths business.
Historically it’s a mixed bag.
There were those who seceded because of States rights, even though they personally agreed slavery was wrong and those that seceded primarily because they believed slavery was correct
There is a degree of evidence that Robert E. Lee personally believed slavery was wrong however he also felt his first loyalty was to the State of Virginia and only after that his loyalty was to the United States.
However if memory serves me correct the Vice-President of the Confederacy was rather explicit about the fact that the moral justification of slavery was a primary cause for secession.
In fact I think that he explicitly stated that the abolitionist movement was direct result of the mistaken notion codified in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal and the Confederacy sought to change that.
There are several facts not being reported at all.
In President Trumps speech at Mt Rushmore on the 4th he specifically call for a country where each and every American has the same opportunities regardless of color, creed, or religion.
This was not a throw away line but a central part of his speech.
If you do not believe me you can look up the actual speech and listen to it.
Throughout his Presidency he has made it a point of reaching out to the African-American community in ways no Republican has done before.He has acknowledged the atrocious living conditions of many African-American communities and has called it a disgrace to America, he has done this at the most high profile events possible.
His inauguration and State of the Union.He has addressed the high incarceration rates of the African American community by backing a Criminal Justice billed aimed at reducing them.
He has tried to further educational opportunities by increasing funding to historically black colleges to unprecedented heights.
He has partnered with Sen. Tim Scott to increase opportunity zones in order to increase Black employment.
Pres. Trump has a multi-year record of speaking out for the African-American community and actually delivering them.
And he has shown results.
Before the Pandemic hit black unemployment was at historic lows and the so-called inequality gap was actually closing.
So that begs the question.
Why do Mainstream Media figures assist the Democratic party in deliberately twisting what he says.Why Do Mainstream Media figures assist the Democratic party in dividing the nation by deliberately avoiding
the fact that the Republican President has reached out to the black community in unprecedented ways.Why do they continue to ignore his record?
I suspect that the reason is that they saw his poll numbers were up in the black community, they saw that he was beginning to make inroads, they saw that he was actually delivering for them.
And if they lose them they lose all power and they value Power above all else.
So they deliberately must do all they could to lie about Pres. Trump and portray him as a racist in order to maintain their power and if the country suffers as a result?
Well they have never much cared about the country.
SL
You may & hopefully are right, however you are not addressing a central point.The silent ones who acknowledge and struggle with a nisoyon that is unique to them are not the ones in charge of a Political party.
They are not the ones that are influencing the culture we raise our families in.
They are not the ones that are influencing the curriculum in our schools.
The ones that are doing the above are those that wish to change the moral landscape.
They are the ones who wish to force us to acknowledge as equal and just things that are anti-Torah.
And saying that there are those that are unlike them is a funny way of justifying giving power to them.
And from a Torah perspective it is an indisputable fact that the base of the Democratic Party.
The base that exerts an incredible amount of control on the entire Democratic party does not just condone behavior that abhorrent under the Moral Code of the Torah.
It celebrates it.
In fact it looks down upon those who practice religion as taught and passed down through the ages.
Voting for the Democratic party now-a-days is the essence of an act of self-hatred.It is the act of voting to put in power those that openly despise your very core belief system.
For Democrats to make the “moral” case against Trump is absurd.
This is the party of Clinton.
The party that did not just back him while he was President, long after wards he was a featured speaker to make the Case for Obama’s second term at the Democratic Party Convention!
Now they feature a man running against Trump who has been accused in credible ways with contemporaneous ,corroborating accounts of not just speaking but acting against women in a criminal fashion.
As for truth.
Remind me.
Where was the Democratic Party when the President of the United State,s William Jefferson Clinton admitted to perjuring himself under oath?
a) The Healthcare bill popularly know as Obamacare was passed by a partyline vote ( in fact some Dem congressmen were against it). It was designed to remake Healthcare in the US, it did.
b) Simply stating that the vast majority of Brits are satisfied with the NHS without stating why is misrepresenting it. Yes they are contrasting Healthcare structures that lead to vast differences.
Here are some
1) According to Forbes in 2019 25% of patients in Britian were unable to begin cancer treatment in time, In the USA 97% of patients were alive after a prostate cancer diagnosis while in England it was 83%.
Cataract surgery is pretty common in the US for the elderly in England it’s rationed.2) Doctors & Nurses have been making way less in England then the US for a while which has led to an increasing nursing and doctor shortage. Again in an article in The Week noted the British Medical Association called the NHS doctor shortage chronic. According to the guardian three quartes of the doctors it surveyed has seen medical care rationed.
d) Size makes a tremendous difference. Smaller countries with natural resources can leverage natural resources to cover a large share of what is automatically a smaller budget i.e a million dollars of revenue from and oil reserve covers 10% of a ten million budget but only 1% of a 100 million dollar budget.
Plus the demographics in a smaller country tend to be more homogeneous then in a large country with a vastly more complicated mix of cultures and traditions complicating National projects.
For example the Public School system in the Lakewood NJ may be perfect for irreligous people but is horrible for religous people the result is an economic strain on a population forced to finance an expensive school system they cannot use. This of course is a much more limited problem in say Denmark where the population is vastly more uniform.e) You can say that it is not “vastly” more limited, however the your opinion does not change facts. And I was not proving anything from an anecdote, I was demonstrating where the hard facts ran into real life in a personal case.
f) Can you state specifically how they are not broad enough? What should be increased? By how much?
First off it generally does not bother me to ask questions.
However in this case i am not the one asking it.
It’s Dems/Libs who bring up totally irrelevant statistics who force the pint to be made that those stats tell nothing of the actual story.
As a parent I strongly wish there was something we could do about “mass shooting” events.
And I think there is.
However the solution I think begins by acknowledging that in the 60’s it was far easier to get a gun and they were openly carried by many “cowboy shoot em up” books and videos were prevalent, schools did not have metal detectors.
Yet mass shootings did not occur.
So how about we study that.
Why did that change?
Jackk
Do you honestly think that no other country has this problem?
Yes it’s true in Israel they do not really have this problem you see when people are upset in Israel and the rest of the Mideast they use bombs not guns.
You think Mexico does not have this problem, how about Africa.
Come on!
I found it curious how on the one hand the Dem/Libs say every illegal immigrant has to be aloud in because of the dangers in their home country.
Yet the USA is the most dangerous place in the world.Again Reb Eliezer I think that you are ignoring the central point.
It is illegal to kill somebody.
It is really really illegal.
In some states you get the death penalty for it.These people who are doing these mass shooting are breaking the law.
The fact they are breaking the law does not seem to phase them.
Now I am sure that you were of the opinion that making it illegal to buy a automatic weapon will make it harder for criminals to get them.
I am sure you also feel it is hard for criminals to get drugs and the epidemic of drugs in America is solely a magical occurrence by people suddenly displaying symptoms of illegal substances without having ingested them
Yup and it is a really big hardship fo r me to work 24/6 to build a successful business and then give 70% of that to the government and be told it’s stealing when i ask for busing for my children
What does income differential or as it’s commonly termed “income inequality”” have to do with anything?
As a famous conservative commentator is wont to say I may be a millionaire, however if I move onto the the same block as Bill Gates my income inequality in terms of me vs him will explode.
But I am still doing really well.
In fact as a frum jew we should recognize the term “income inequality” for what it is.
The encouragement of pure jealousy of those that have more then me.Because in every real statistic the lives of people in all strata has improved.
Unemployment is down.
Wage growth has increased.
the growth rate is up.In every way people are doing better under Trump.
Those are the simple facts.
Sorry
Should we perhaps ban knives because they sometimes are used to kill?
How about cars?
Perhaps Sticks?Guns are tools just as any other tool.
They have no feelings.
They have no free will.
They are an inanimate object, the same as a knife is an inanimate object.You cannot hold an inanimate object “responsible” for anything.
However you can hold the operator of an inanimate object responsible.However I do understand that those who wish to wage war on personal responsibility would want to focus on anything other then those truly responsible.
I don Not beleive that is a serious question but here are some possibilities,
a) HKBH decided they should be poor (see Chovos Halevovos Shaar Habitochon, so no matter what they do they will fail.
b) They have ability but are simply lazy and ok with being poor as long as they can make ends meet.
c) They are lazy and expect the government to help them.
d) They went to school and received an education that was more about indoctrination then preparation for the workforce.
e) They were trained in a field that changed leaving them flat-footed.
f) They were factory workers whose jobs were outsourced.
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g) They worked in an industry that was targeted by “activists” until they went bankrupt causing employees to lose their jobs i.e drug companies, weapons manufacturers.h) they lived in countries that feel for socialism promise causing work or pensions to dry up examples are Greece or Venezuela.
Of course there are many more possible answers to your query but that is a very very partial list which is the very real reason millions of people around the world are poor.
Charliehall
I really don’t know why you think we would be up in arms.
Nor do I know which chief of staff was a “frum jew” Rahm Emanuel was not, he did volunteer during the Gulf War but that does not make him observant.However if you wish to make a pint of people in Trumps “orbit”
He is accused of being anti-immigrant, but his wife is an immigrant with a heavy accent.
He is accused ob being ant-semitic
However his son-in-law is a orthodox jew, his daughter is a convert and they are considered some of his closest advisers.His grandchildren actually go to orthodox Jewish private schools.
His Ambassador of Israel is an orthodox jew.
And despite the mainstream media ignoring it any visit to Israel would inform you of the fact that he is beloved over there and regarded as a true ” Friend of Israel”.