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October 1, 2024 11:04 am at 11:04 am in reply to: Question for those who don’t think Charedim should join the IDF #2320406Bayit BeitarParticipant
It is difficult for Hareidim to serve until parents can feel their innocent boy can go in Hareidi and emerge Hareidi. For this to happen their needs to be an entire division that is Hareidi. Totally separate from every Taava that seduces children who grew up Hareidi but by the end of their service tragically they diverge from the community. Only then can the State expect people to show up for drafts.
We also see in the Torah, that when there is a group of people whose heart is not invested in fighting side by side with their brothers, they should stay at home and not hurt the national morale.
So in addition to the learning and tehillim perhaps the Hareidi community can think what can they do to lift up the morale. Women in Beitar provide shabbos good for families whose husband’s are off fighting, for example.
At the end of the day everyone wants the same outcome.ותשקטות הארץ ארבעים שנה
Bayit BeitarParticipantHaving a rational conversation with someone who rejects metzius for magic is pointless. They believe that mystical forces protect them and give kochos in ways we cant understand and the only way to release those kochos is going to Uman. It is their tefilos on RH in Uman that is actually saving the lives of the soldiers in Gaza and will bring moshiach. How can one argue with people that are so confident in their beliefs? It’s probably better to focus on the 90% of hashkafa we share than the 10% that is clear to them but a mystery to us.
Bayit BeitarParticipantI think a more interesting question is: Is it moral and ethical to have a society where instead of court ordered justice to be handled by the authority , instead the court justifies family honor killing. Is removing an accidental murderer from society a צדק / משפט issue or giving into the יצר הרע desire for vengeance…
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