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far rocks:
same basis I had for knowing a few months ahead of time that a letter from 70 R”Y would come out. In this same forum they posted as if i was fool……
until the letter came out.
Can’t say it’s 100% guranteed…. but fairly likely…
When it happens I’ll let you know….
klugreyid:
Did you know nasi was around for 4 years before it launched this new program. Which for the record has been very succesful so far B”H.
And just to get you facts correct- the hishgest bracket is 10,500.
Are you familiar with the programs they have up and running in the commuies I listed above?
You might want to research a bit on the program before you post.
Farrocks: when it happens you’ll know.
apy:
YES and NO
Boys coming back slightly earlier from EY (or not going at all) and thus coming a bit younger to BMG, has nothing to do with modyfiying the freezer rule.
and iy”h when the shidduchim are made….
dates are happening…
plenty of them…
it’s only a matter of time until the engagements start coming…
PBA:
read those EXACT posts
Modify- YES
shorten- NO
and the goal of modifyin it NOT to get boys to date younger, as you correctly say, it’s realitvly minor the benefit that would be had (althought truth be told, every month would help).
The goal of modifying would be for a toatlly different purpose.
eman:
By all means. Go start the petition….
Let me know how much traction you get.
and now i’ll comment on your post.
First you promoted that boys date older girls and paid the shadchanim to promote it.
incorrect:
The goal of the first program was to edcuate a country about a concept called age gap. Shadchanim weren’t paid to promote it. Shadhcanim who made shidduchim, many of which had no idea about the program until after the engagmenet, were paid. simply becasue it was a good marketing technique to get peole to talk about the concpet of close in age marriages.
This received Rabbinical endorsements which you are still using to this day. (see recent ads in papers)
incorrect:
Thre recent ad from 70 R”Y never mentions nasi nor any program NASI ever ran.
The ad about the newest progarm listed (6 or 9 i don’t remeber) rabboinim and R”Y who explicityly endorsed the newset program where girls or their parents put money in a escrow like setting to be spent only after the girls walks down the aislt.
When you couldn’t find the money to honor those commitments, the project was abandoned and the parents were blamed.
partially correct:
Fundraising for the first progarm got difficult, and a decision was made to close down that program 6 months in the future. When shadhcanim got taken advantage of by parents, there was no choice but to close it down effective immedaitely so as not to hurt the shadcahnim.
Then you had merchants sponsor your organization.
incorrect:
you are proably reffering to short lived not that effective program where stores signed up to offer discuount to families of close in age shidducim. (not sure if that’s what you mean by merchants sponsoring the org). No mechants ever gave a wooden nickel to the org.
Now you run a program to get the girls or the parents to pay an outrageous amount, which has only been documented with anonymous accolades.
incorrect:
see above that a ad was run in the paper listed well known rabbonim and R”Y by name who endorsed that exact program.
The time has come for the Rabbonim to close your organization down.
By all means.
Just before you do,
you might want to speak to
Montreal,
Toronto
Monsey
Chicago
Flatbush
Far Rockaway
Lawrence
Kew gardens
They are all running nasi community based program geared to generating shadhcan attention for the young women in the community who didn’t just start dating.
B”h the progarms have been amazingly succesful, and by and large the singles in the communtiy don’t even know about the progarms!!
NASI does wish to slightly lower the average age that boys get married/begin dating.
They have ZERO interest in modifying the freezer to accomlish that end.
Please before you comment about a project make sure you have accurate information.
It’s okay PBA, by now it’s become expected….. FOr starters you can put the cap back in the I of NASI…
avhaben
when/if it happens you’ll know. Not important to discuss it in this forum.
Farocks/PBA:
NASI is NOT against the freezer. Never has been and probably never will be. Especially since the freezer isn’t going away any time soon and NASI doens’t waste it’s time on ideas that aren’t going to be implemented.
Just another example of inaccurate statements about NASI in this forum.
But why confuse yourselves with the facts. What NASI would like to see happen with the freezer is a whole nother story and would be amazingly effective.
If it every happens you’ll be the first to know…..
Farrocks:
Their names where printed in the papers on full page ads.
Feel free to do your research.
Or contact the program. I’m sure they’ll send you a copy of the ad for your files. (i’m not going to make it so easy for you).
Not looking to frighten anyone. Surely there are many views and legitimate opitions. I for one have yet to encounter a Rov/Rosh Yeshiva of stature who felt the program should not be launched, but then again i certainly haven’t spoken to every person who has a right to a opinion (thought i have spoken to many many).
Might there be out there- surely. Have i met them nope. To the best of my knowledge has anyone associated with the program met them- nope.
Are there many many others who thinks it’s a wonderful idea, but for variouls reasons declined to put there name on a ad, most certainly.
btw i’m not sure what you mean
“I am sure there are two who do not. I know a few quite personally.”
are you sure as in you are guessing, or do you know personally.
have said rabbonim bothered to contact the project to discuss it with them. Afterall the program looks for any input it can get.
Have YOU bothered to contact and share your feelings?
KKH/YC/GEFEN
Suree seems like the Rabbonim and R”Y who put their name to the program see things a bit differently than you….
Diagreement/input etc. makes all project more effective.
The secret to NASI’s succes B”H, is that they seek/take input from myriads of people from all ends of the community specrum as well as constantly adjusting their activties.
If you suggestions aren’t/weren’t implemented. It’s not becasue they dind’t consider them, it’s simply becasue upon review they decided it wasn’t the proper course of action.
But anyone else is welcome to try and imlement their own ideas.
Far east:
1. For 28 year old it’s 8,500. 8,000 goes to the shadchan after the wedding and 500 would go to the project after the wedding. EVERY PENNY of that money can be asked back by the participant at any point in time if they feel the program isn’t working for them. It is only spent if she walks down the aisle as a result of the efforts of a shadhcan in the program. (forget about idea of a participant asking for the money back the day before she gets engaged, the contract is structired in such a way that such abuses are prevented)
2. Project NASI’s goal here is not the shadhcan’s livelyhood. It’s iss and always been about alleviating and hopefully ending the shidduch crisis. They have simply realized that this is one of the very effective ways to help the young women. If you have a better more effective system by all means go implement it. They have been at this problem for well over four years now. They have scratched programs that didn’t produce results they have furthered and improved upon the programs that have prodcued results.
This new program – in the very short time that it’s been active – has clearly been producing tremendous and measurable results. and it’s been getting better day by day as they continue to improve upon it.
You post theory I post results.
That was also expained at lenght why this program presently does not hurt the girls who can absolutely not afford it and of course there are many of such girls.
When iy”h the program is so succesful as to cause difficulty for the ones who can’t afford it, they will be hlepd as well. I’m simply tired of repeating the same message again and again.
Iy’h the results will speak for themselves as they are doing in the community programs that was also attacked in this holy forum when they were launched…
FE: how on earth do you know who what where or how the shadchanim associated with the program are doing.
Oh the program knows becaseu it’s tracked along witht the programs that are ongoing in all the other communites.
But feel free to guess and make assumptions based on your geusses.
and at the risk of a broken record- it was desinged for the NOT wealthy. The wealthy haven’t been joining. The regular quality youn women who were having difficutly getting attention are the ones joining. and being very happy with how it’s working.
ALL at ZERO cost and risk.
It’s plain and pashut to anyone who thinks for 5 minutes.
No need to repeat what’s been discussed and explained 62 times already.
If any other Cr members would like to go ahead.
But here’s a hint. Prior to this program what could a not wealthy girl do to get attentino from 100 shadhcnimn acroos the coutnry.
anything?
for the record (i’m told) that the girls in the program are by and large NOT from wealthy families. It’s primarily families who realize this is a safe secure no risk way to get massive attention from shadhcanim that they never would’ve dreamed of.
2qwerty:
can you please explain why you don’t set up a program based on your concept. Please go for it, and i’ll gladly report back to the NASI people what you post here.
(for the record: i’m told that your concept was discuseed in the early planning stages of this program, but it was discarded. If you know better, go for it)
Once we are on the topic- The next step of the program is being put into place where each of the participnats gets matched up with shadhcnim who are likely to be the proper shaliach for them. They can be in touch and be reacehd out to by any of the shadchanim and vice vera, but by being matching the participants with the proper shadhcnim it will make the program 100x’s more effective for the particpants and it will make it easier on the shadchanim as well by virute of the shadhcanim primarily being contatnce by participnats who they are likely to be able to help, as opposed to particpants who try as they might, they don’t really have anyone for them.
stay tuned…
as for your comments regarding those who sign up for it. Have you spoken to anyone in the program who has beenin it for 3 weeks? or are you simlply gueesing…
It’s been discuseed expained clarified ad nasuem.
Just for the record. The girls in the program are not the “rich” girls. Feel/say/claim what you want. Its’ simply not accurate. If anything, this program give the poor girls chances they never would’ve dreamed of having…..
No need to defend in this forum a project that is being b”h very succesful as based on feed back from the participants. Both thoses who ahve already gotten dates as well as those who don’t.
mbsk: feel free to contact the program and i’m sure they’ll provide you will all the answers…
yummy- are you reffering to the potential .0025% interest they are losing. What exactly is it costing them?
Sure yummy, read what i wrote and is posted immedaitely above yours.
AT NO COST TO THEM
NO COST!!
here’s a email recevied this AM from a participant who has NOT gotten a date yet, let me know if you’d like me to post feedback from the participants who HAVE gotten dates or two or three……
“I was amazed at all the negativity that your program generated…some people just instinctively like to be negative. I only have good things to say about your program. It’s difficult to have an older single daughter but you are trying to level the playing field.”
NO- it’s been discussed and explained in depth a hundred times over.
As for getting on the list and paying later, by all means- start your own program and run it that way.
Just becaseu NASI seems to the only program working to alleviate the crisis, doesn’t mean they have any monopoly on assiting in easing the crsis.
Go for it…
as an aside, i’m curious, for the young women who can’t afford the money “up front” why do you think they’ll be able to afford it after they get engaged, when they are saddled with the monumental expenses involved in making a wedding.
oomis:
they haven’t paid anything to anyone up front. they simply deposit money in a fdic insured account, that isn’t touched until they walk down the ailse or ask for it back.
that’s correct all the hundres of hours of work the poepole in the NASI program have dedicated to helping the participants.
The hundreds of hours of the lawyers who wrote the contract, the accontant who set up the funds, the programmer who created customized spreadsheets to facilitate tracking of the progjram and faciliate ongoing monitoring to ensure maximize attention for the participants…
etc. etc. etc. etc.
ALL AT NO cost to them. zero zilch nada not even a wooden nickle….
Now you’ll understand why the particiapnts are so pleaased. Even those who have not yet gotten dates, have seen increased attention and have come to thoroughly appreciate the efforts being made on their behalf.
MSS- with 100 shadhcanim involved in the program, be careful what you write. In addtion, what you fail to reaize, is that the shadhcanim involved benefit even when a shidduch doesn’t materilize….
AT NO COST TO THE PARTICIPANTS……
but the details of what what i’m reffering to, are simply none our business.
Just remember, NASI created the concept of 100/400 because they understand better than anyone, that no matter how much potential money a shadchan makes when they complete a shiddcuc, the frustratino involved in redding shidduchim knows no boundries.
Those programs of 100/400 are active in 9 different communties with OFF the charts results….
maybe just mabye just mabye they actually know what they are doing…. mabye mabye ……….
mbsk- someone got engaged (not through the program, they had actaully begund that shidduch right around the time the program started) and they received their money very shortly after they informed the program that they got engaged.
So far no one has decided to leave the program…. in fact the people in the program have been pleasantly suprised with the shadchan attention they’ve been receiving and the efforts being made on thier behalf… all at NO cost to them….
PBA- you could try that, but it woldn’t work…. i guess you haven’t seen the contract that the participants sign. It prevents exactly behaviour such as what you are tongue in cheek suggesting. In fact it was precisely to prevent such abuses of the program that the decision was made to require the money be deposited upfront….
Thanks for answering one of the questions people in this forum previously raised…
mbsk- someone got engaged (not through the program, they had actaully begund that shidduch right around the time the program started) and they received their money very shortly after they informed the program that they got engaged.
So far no one has decided to leave the program…. in fact the people in the program have been pleasantly suprised with the shadchan attention they’ve been receiving and the efforts being made on thier behalf… all at NO cost to them….
miritchka:
Just so we are clear. no money is PAID to nasi. NASI hasn’t pocketed a penny. Not a grush not a dime from any of the participnats in the program.
NOTHING
NADA
ZILCH
are we CLEAR on this??????? because the comment you make is not so clear.
NASI simply holds the money on behalf of the participants until they walk down the ailse. The participants can get their money back at any time they want out.
NASI did raise outside funds to cover the costs of getting the program up and running, but not a penny from any participant becaseu no one in the program will spend a cent until after they walk down the aisle (and yes at that time imy”h -in some cases- NASI will pocket the grand total of $500).
If you feel you have a better, more effetive way of having 100 shadchanim from across the coutnry sign up and look to work on behlaf of the the participants (and your post clearly indicates that you have the plan in mind) BY ALL MEANS GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
and i will wish you the greatest hatzlacha.
To miritchka:
Or maybe it’s because the info on the participants is made availbale to 100 shadchanim across the country, shadchnim who previously didn’t even know that particular young woman existed…..
Sushe:
Why makes you think NASI is encouraging profeesional shadhcnaim. Every one of their programs is geared towards all kinds of ppl who redd shidducimk. In additon their efforts to change the mindest and make it acceptable to date girls the same age as a boy or even older is effective regardless of who the shadchan it.
There is certainly plenty more that could and shold be done and Sushe- GO FOR IT!!!!
Besalel:
For starters please be accurate-tx
the statement was
“The top Lakewood Shadchanim dont call back/never meet/dont bother with any girls who dont have reputations for being either the smartest, richest or prettiest.”
That is what i reffered to as “so totally out of line, motzei shem ra, libel.”
G-D forgives when people apologize and so will I.
Last i checked the writer hasn’t apologized (though they did soften their tone) and therefore i won’t engage them…. but the door is wide open…
Logician:
If 23 year old boys marry 22 or even 21 year old girls instead of 19 and 20 year olds the problem will be greatly mitigated and iy”h disappear.
The point is for boys to marry girls who are NOT so much younger than they.
Sushe: The problem is a realitely new phenomana based on two realitviely new issues.
1. Family sizes (population growht) has B”H grwon considerable. In the 70’s the number of families with 10 childrend was ver very few
2. the rigid societal structure that boys don’t begin dating enmasse untill 22/23 was not in effect in the 70’s.
hence in the 70’s no shidduch crisis.
In case you missed it, her it is from antoher thread
MSS:
“The top Lakewood Shadchanim dont call back/never meet/dont bother with any girls who dont have reputations for being either the smartest, richest or prettiest.”
I have no need to ever respond to any post of yours ever again. This is so blatantly false
Remember i’m about as big advocate in this forum to help girls get married especially the girls who aren’t married at 19/20 as they come…. you may agree with some of the tacticas promoted and you may disagree but it’s safe to say that i’m posting looking to help the young woment who aren’t married chik chak- fair enough?
MSS: Your comment is so totally out of line, motzei shem ra, libel. you should be embarassed of yourself, and comments like these simply ruin your credibility on all similar shidduch discussions.)
(as an aside, NASI Project can produce the facts to back up what i just wrote-though obviously this is not the forum to publicize such facts- but as a result of the various progams they’ve been running over the years they have come to know very clearly which shadchanim focus on which kinds of girls both in terms of shidduchinm made and dates set up, in additon to haven gotten to know the shadhcanim on a personal level.
Bl”n until you take that back i will not respond to any post of your regarding anything to do with the NASI Project.
Adios
Logician:
The problem (going forward) CAN be totally solved, and there is no need to close the age gap completely.
In fact: closing it completely will actually create a reverse problem.
Regarding the progress that has been made, please pay attention. Do some research on the NAI Project and what they’ve been after and what they’ve accomplished in the last four plus years.
Speak to shadchanim about the difference in attitudes amongst boys and thier parents and their ability to succesfully redd shidduchim of girls to boys their same age or even if the boys are younger.
Sushe:
Please read the letter from 70 R”Y. Apprently they don’t feel like you.
Finally (this is not to you logician/sushe) I would apreciate if posters whom i have specifically writeen that i will NOT respond to -pending their apology to shadchanim at large for unaccceptable accusations – should please not ask me questions. I don’t want it to look as if i’m avoiding their questions.
logician:
you are correct and you are wrong.
You are correct that the age is the problem that it is made out to be as well as it’s ramifications.
you are wrong that it doesn’t seem feasible to sovle it.
It actaully is very very solvable, and it doesn’t nor should it be solved over night.
B”H much progress has been on that front, and much progress will imy”h continue to be made. B”h there are actually people (unfortanetly far to few) who have been losing sleep over the ramifications of the problem, and for the last half decade those people have been very succesful at bringing about significant change, and iy”h more is on the way.
stay tuned
Logician:
“Indeed there is an age gap, then the only true solution is really closing it.”
That logic is correct
“Even with 50/50 entering, the boys have an advantage. As they get older, more girls enter shidduchim, and they can marry them as well.”
That logic is not correct- Case in point- Chassidishe Families….
(or it’s a minisucle factor. since the vast vast majority of boys get married quickly adn don’t sit around waiting for next group of new girls.)
But not the time/place nor enregy to debate that.
THIS being said… If you have a idea…. GO RUN WITH IT do NOT listen to any naysayers.
GO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Hazlacha Rabbah!!!!!!
Loigician:
Please explain how your idea closed the age gap.
The reason the boys have is as you started, becasue of age gap. You then make a suggestion that doesn’t address age gap.
I am having difficulty following your logic…
Cherry: I double checked. The facts are right.
“MR NASI” has better things to do than sit in the CR, i simply help them.
Suggestion: Contact them directly, ask all your questions about the money etc. and then report back. We anixously await.
That way you’ll provide accurate info.
Cherry:
I checked the papers this week looking for your iniative, please tell me which page it’s on.
Please make sure to keep us posted.
MSS:
Good thing your parnassah doesn’t depend on your opinion. They are actually people out there who believe in the program in a huge way and who are helping to cover the start up expenses… oh well
and yeah the results from the first week in terms of the attention that the participnats have received from the over 70 shadchanim has been TREMENDOUS… and the participants are thrilled.
Not bad for a program that’s less than one week old…
But OF COURSE you are entitled to your opinion
MSS:
“The top Lakewood Shadchanim dont call back/never meet/dont bother with any girls who dont have reputations for being either the smartest, richest or prettiest.”
I have no need to ever respond to any post of yours ever again. This is so blatantly false
Remember i’m about as big advocate in this forum to help girls get married especially the girls who aren’t married at 19/20 as they come…. you may agree with some of the tacticas promoted and you may disagree but it’s safe to say that i’m posting looking to help the young woment who aren’t married chik chak- fair enough?
MSS: Your comment is so totally out of line, motzei shem ra, libel. you should be embarassed of yourself, and comments like these simply ruin your credibility on all similar shidduch discussions.)
(as an aside, NASI Project can produce the facts to back up what i just wrote-though obviously this is not the forum to publicize such facts- but as a result of the various progams they’ve been running over the years they have come to know very clearly which shadchanim focus on which kinds of girls both in terms of shidduchinm made and dates set up, in additon to haven gotten to know the shadhcanim on a personal level.
Bl”n until you take that back i will not respond to any post of your regarding anything to do with the NASI Project.
Adios
Not sure how on earth you can accuse “Mr. Nasi” of running a money business
Where exactly is the money in it for “Mr. NASI”.
Or are you accusing “Mr. NASI” of running a business to profit shadchanim and somehow “Mr. NASI” is in cahoots with the shadchanim and getting kickbacks.
You level serious motzei shem ra allegations. It would be prudent to
a. explain
b. bring some concrete evidence to your accusations.
(if you’ve followed the progam from inception, and are familiar about anything to do with the NASI Project, you would know that they care not that much about shachanim. They simply realize that one of the effectvie ways to allevaite the age gap problem is by having shadhacnim focus on young women who didn’t just start dating. One of the ways to accomplish that is by appreciating and compensating them for their time and effort on behlaf of such young women. Whether it be via the variouls very effectuive 100/400 programs, whether it be by this new program as well. In fact No one involved in the project -Mr. NASI to you- even redds any shidducim).
By why should you get overly confused with the facts.)
still waiting and looking for the progam you launch.
Wishing you much much haztlacha!!
cherry:
Go for it talk is cheap… posting is even easier.
If i may ask a simple qeustion.
have you done anything in the last five years to make a dent in the shidduch crisis?
after all, It’s sooooooo easy you claim.
Please step to the plate and you should have tons of FREE volunteeers from the the CR chevra. I’m sure MSS will of course be your first worker. You can also count on oomiss and many others to help run your org.
Go For It
I’ll be looking out and rooting for you.
MSS: great job with the math.
okay so IF they are credited with 100 shidduchim of particpants who were not part of the first 50. (if that happended i think everyone would agree it’s a very succesful program)
Now take away form that 50k the money spent on lawyers/accountants/advertsing (over 10k already on advertising alone) to get the project off the ground.
Lets pretend that no one is needed to do any backend work becaseu after all MSS has offered their services to run the program gratis.
so this is the huge scandal… here it is
MSS discoverd… someone has nothing better to do witht themselves than make the entire world meshuga and put up with (don’t ask) all in order to pocket 10/15k in the chance that the program is a roaring succes and 100 shidduchim are made for participants who were not part of the first 50…
OF Course: ARE YOU FOR REAL. ARE YOU?????????????????
Gee i wonder why Bernie Madoof didn’t think of going into the NASI business
your points are so outlandish it ridiculous that i’m even bothering to reponsd. Excpet for the fact that there are actually others like you….
so APY …. is goes on….
You mention: ads should be offered free by newspapers.
MSS- Please do everyone a favor. Get on the phone to the newspapaers and tell them what you think. Because so far well over 10k has been spent on newspapers ads that you think should be free. To bad the majority of newspapers don’t think like you.
And then why not get off the coach and go run a program exactly how you think it should be run….
You can be sure NASI would love “competition”.
Who can run the most effective effient programs to close the age gap and alleviate the crisis.
so far sadly it seems like they’re the only show in town.
Please! i’m sure they’d love for one and all to come on board and run programs far better than what they are doing.
Besalel: How on earth could NASI even possible become filthy rich from this program???
The money goes to shadchanim not to the program. The only money that goes to the program is $500 for each completed shidduch from the particpnats who aren’t from the first 50 to join.
1. please define filthy rich.
2. feel free to do the math how many completed shidduchim they would need to be involved in in order for your accusation to be valid.
3. then take into account the expenses invovled in setting up and running this program. (ads/accounting/firm/lawyer to write the contracts. maybe a few pennies to the people dong the work behind the scene…. I’m sure you think that it just happens by itself.)
4. Not that it’s to be expected, but a apology on your behlalf is in place.
5. and finally the folks behind nasi aren’t in a popularity contest. They have their eye on the singular goal of alleviating the tragic shidduch sitatuation facing precious bnos yisroel. Construtive insight is welcome and valued and a necessitiy for the scucess of any project. Simple minded negativity like some in the CR have expressed, has not and will continue to do little to move them off their mark. Four years ago there were naysayers, and there still are some. That’s okay. They are more than happy to let others run for office.
APY: aren’t there STILL plenty of single girls how still aren’t married?
feel free to ignore the discussions…
MSS: nah, don’t think so. If you care enough you’ll do some leg work yourself. Maybe you’ll even contact them directly. If all you want to do is post in this forum, then go right ahead-knock yourself out.
Midwest/oomis:
NASI never said most can. DY isn’t NASI.
That legitimate point has bee addressed numberous times in this forum as well as other media. In fact a few of the rabbonim who endorse the program raised that very question. Only after hearing a very satisfactory resonse did they lend their endorsement to the program.
DY: the program and the contreact cerainly allows for third parties (friends/relatives etc.) to sponsor participants.
MSS: how is a rov endorsing a progam the equiavlent of “your life being controlled by Rabbonim”. I frankly i don’t think anyone (nor the ribbono shel olam) want out lives being controlled by anyone. HE wants each and everyone of us to take control and responsibility for our own lives.
Seek guidance, certainly, control, certainly not.
Anyone, the rabbonim endorsing the program don not in anyway dictate that someone shoudl or must join the program. They are saying they thinks it’s a good idea, and they are comforable with who and how it is being run.
So yeah, it’s DRASTICALLY different. If i need to explain further, then maybe i’m begining to understand someting….
oomis:
“Why not? Haven’t they done so already many times regarding Internet usage, Lipa Schmeltzer concerts, and so forth? “
I think this very comment by you answers your question as to why there wasn’t a push for a takana about what shadchanim should our shouldn’t do…. no need to further elaborate, and certainly not in this fourm.
mss: oh i have no doubt that within a short period of time you will be one of the shadchanim on the list (if you aren’t already).
But don’t be bashful. There are already over 70 approved shadhchanim who will receive the list tomorrow, with another 20+ shadchanim pending approval.
keep on cheerleading……
oomis1105: it is you who are hopeless. If you had any idea which shadhcnim are on the list you’d think thrice about writing that.
And if you only knew how thrilled the older girls are that they now have this opprotunity……
I think we’ve beaten this bush to death and now we will let the results do the talking.
Have a wonderful weekend…