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After watching the clip from The View with that nebich, watching some of the clips from these two episodes was like a breath of fresh air. It was done very respectfully and tastefully. Problem with watching individual clips is that it doesn’t flow, and therefore, I couldn’t grasp whether or not there was an emphasis on a Hassidic lifestyle with its unique minhagim, or the more broadly based Torah lifestyle.
February 15, 2012 2:59 am at 2:59 am in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868604A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI also just watched the interview. To anyone listening, they’d think that Taharas Hamishpacha is only practiced by Satmar. I’m not at all familiar with Bais Yaakov’s in Williamsburg, but I know for sure that my daughter received an excellent, accredited and well rounded education in our BY. Ms. Feldman did play it much more low key then she portrayed herself in the print media, and sure was dressed better then in the NY Post article. She’s also dyed her hair. The makeup job was clearly professional.
February 14, 2012 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868592A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantThose reviews of her book on Amazon, and her interview (will watch it later) are giving me, and maybe some of you as well, an incentive to go to her reading. Not to heckle or be rude, but to be able to respond to those who think what she’s saying is emes. If not this time, then I’m sure there will be other opportunties soon, while she’s still got her 15 minutes of fame. At a chasunah last night we were even talking about this!
February 14, 2012 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868588A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantMod, how come you didn’t post my comment about all those who are cheering her on over at Amazon? Can you please post it without the URL. I don’t think I said anything at all outside the guidelines of this site. Folks, basically, my hunch is that the majority of the readers who’ve written positive reviews about her story (not necessarily her writing) are secular Jews. And they are one of the main reasons I started this thread. Because when they read her story, they think she’s talking about all of us.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantTo the secular world, both Jewish and non-Jewish, we’re pretty much lumped into one category – “Orthodox”.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantDoes anyone know whether these interviews are available online? I’ve seen snippets, but that’s it. I’d really be interested in seeing them, but don’t have a TV.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantThink First, as I said in my previous comment
No doubt they put on a somewhat unrealistic front for the sake of this universal exposure, but I would have done the exact same thing if it were my family.
The family who were shown on this show no doubt know a lot more then what they owned up to, but this is the view they chose to present to the world at large. It wasn’t by accident that the kids said they don’t know Mickey Mouse, it was part of the act. If there are any Chassidim who know about things in the secular world it’s Chabad. After all, these are people who welcome all types of people into their homes, and are heavily involved in outreach.
February 13, 2012 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868553A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantSoliek, I wish there was a way to PM here. Would have loved to meet up with you tonite, largely out of curiousity, but have a previous obligations. I’m curious how other people there react to her. Those who think she’s “telling it like it is” are the ones I’d be concerned about! At the very least, if you can, tell her on my behalf that she really needs to learn how to dress! Worth repeating that she’s so much more attractive in her picture with her husband and son.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantIt isn’t only goyim who Oprah reaches. There will no doubt be renewed interest in Chabad by more than a few Jews as a result of this. The few times I’ve seen her show, people hang on Oprah’s every word with a reverence that we can only hope, lehavdil, we show our Gedolim. And I’m quite sure that’s why Chabad welcomed her in. They’ve always been very media savvy. No doubt they put on a somewhat unrealistic front for the sake of this universal exposure, but I would have done the exact same thing if it were my family.
February 10, 2012 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868483A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantMany have questioned why didn’t she just leave Satmar and end up on the UWS, or some other more moderate frum environment? Based upon what I’ve read about her – Satmar was the only interpretation of Judaism that she knew. Don’t be so naive, anyone here knows that those raised in Satmar do not consider, MO for example, to be following Torah properly. One of her chief complaints about her youth was that she was forbidden from reading secular books. So she hid some of the classics, that are commonly read even in our Bais Yaakovs; under her bed. She lived in a community that choses to isolate itself not only from the secular world, but from other parts of frum Jewry as well. How was she to know that there were alternatives?
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantMy daughter’s in-laws, who hold from a Rav who is known as, shall we say, marching to his beat; are busy buying stuff for our first grandchild. I’m just gawking at this stage. One thing I haven’t yet asked our own Rav (who is a well known Posek) is whether this generally applies just to the parents, or also to grandparents. Just thought of that as I was typing this.
February 9, 2012 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868459A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantGive him the benefit of the doubt, Toi. He may have been texting from a device with a teeny keyboard.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantHe’s definitely one of the clown princes.
February 9, 2012 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868443A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantYes, I saw that. She also is on Facebook.
February 9, 2012 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868437A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantSoliek, many, many likes for your post!! I have a friend who was working at a group home for these girls, and a formerly chassidishe nephew who also tries to help these kids. Some do find their way back, and therefore your efforts are the equivalent of saving a life.
As I stated in my opening to this thread, I feel very sorry for her. So many things were missing from her life – especially the love and support of a stable family environment. What I’m upset at is how she saw this as a great opportunity to slander an entire group. Since this book is being published by Simon & Schuster – one of the largest publishers – they have their PR machine working overtime. This woman has been on TV, in newspapers, all over the web, etc., and if you read the comments to any of the articles, you’ll see how many secular Jews are cheering her for accomplishing this “great escape”.
I still would like to invite her for a Shabbos. Have a prior engagement Monday night, otherwise I’d trek into the city to go to her reading. For those of you going, especially Soliek, I hope the love you’ve expressed here will somehow come through to her.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI know very little about PTI, other than the fact that one of my older boys was collecting for them when it first opened. I have heard that CCJ has really turned itself around and is now getting a much stronger group of guys. If you’re in Mesivta in Queens, I’m sure Rabbi Singer will have some good ideas for you. And as for college, although the hanhala have told parents that, under certain conditions, they will allow it (maximum 6 credits per semester), it is highly discouraged, especially during the first 5 or so years of BM. It’s only once the guys get into their early 20’s, that some begin to see that perhaps they won’t be staying for the full 14 years (or whatever it is now) s’micha program, and that’s where a lot of these alternative college programs have cropped up.
February 9, 2012 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868420A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI would tell them that it’s the extremely biased viewpoint of a woman with serious emotional issues, who came from a dysfunctional family. That she has has as narrow a viewpoint as those she accuses of being that way. The world is not black and white.
February 8, 2012 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868403A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantHer blog (on the same website – just google her name and you’ll find it – the URL is her name), was gloating over “how the frummies are putting her down”. Let’s surprise her with compassion.
February 8, 2012 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868401A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantGetting back to the person this thread is about, she actually has a website. What I’d like to do is invite her for a Shabbos, and I think everyone here should do so as well. Why? Because then she will see that we’re not all evil, mean hearted people. Of course, I hope she’s gotten the counseling she obviously needs, and yes, she looks 100%+ better in the picture from her “previous” life. I would not criticize her, even if she came dressed inappropriately. I guess I just feel sorry for her, that she equated dysfunctional families with Judaism. If Hashem will accept our teshuva until our last breath, can’t we try to be kindly also? She’s just a mixed up young woman who needs professional help.
February 8, 2012 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm in reply to: Memoir called "Unorthodox" and its effect on us #868350A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI can relate to much of what you say, BTGuy and yiddishemishpacha. That really was my point in starting the topic. We, here on the inside know very well about not only all the different nuances within the frum community, but more importantly, the tremendous amount of goodness that generates from us. From Deborah’s own community, Satmar Bikur Cholim is a prime example.
However, since most secular Jews see us in one lump sum called “Orthodox”, her story becomes our story. Her story goes mainstream, and next thing you know, secular Jews are sure that this is how we live. Perhaps one of my main concerns is the impact this can have on kiruv, or even general goodwill.
January 12, 2012 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm in reply to: Frustrated Mothers of Girls: Can we hear your ideas #845475A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantOOMIS, you’ve got my vote as well. And here’s why:
Ask around among your peers, or pretty much any couples who are in their 40’s and upwards. How did they meet? Many couples met through a friend, at a function, in college, in shul and so forth. And they have good heimishe homes and families, despite the fact that there was no official shaddchun, their families did not have to submit to investigations by the CIA, FBI and IRS, and the moms didn’t spend weeks “referencing”. Are there fewer divorces among the younger generation then there were then? Especially for the more modern folks, they really should have more options.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantWho would have thought, when you posted this last month, that Rick would have had an even semi viable shot. Funny how quickly things can change. Cain is now totally out of the picture. Bachmann could still show up in some capacity or other, but not likely. Perry should be packing up and going back to Texas shortly.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantYes
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantOne of the funniest incidents with some of the local Friday afternoon pushka shakers was a guy who, when asked why he needed tzedakah, said he needed to “buy bread for Passover”. BTW, a lot of these people aren’t even Jewish. There’s a Greek guy who collects in our neighborhood. He does have Parkinsons Disease, but apparently will not let anyone drive him home.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantIf you want to know about the individual branches, you can also speak to the BM guys. 90%+ have been there/done that.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantWrong. They leave for the branches (Israel and/or USA) after 12th grade. They come back to Queens for the Rosh Yeshiva’s shiur in 4th year BM. In other yeshivas that may not be the case, but that is the Chofetz Chaim method.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI’ll often say, “I’m sorry, I can’t open the door right now”.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantAnother idea is to try to attend shidduch meetings, and present the men or women who you would like to help. Make sure you’ve asked them if they want you to do that. No shidduch meeting in your area? Organize one via your shul, community, whatever.
It’s a lot of word of mouth and keeping your ears open. No, I’m not A Shaddchun, but I am a woman who almost always is listening for possible matches for those I know.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantBecause, RB, there are evil people in the world who will take advantage of the fact that Jews are more generous then anyone when it comes to being charitable.
It’s worth noting that the halachas of tzedakah don’t only pertain to giving the money. They also concern how the money will be used. Which is why, nationwide Vaads have a nationwide database to ascertain that the money is being put to proper usage. Giving money to someone who’s just shaking a pushka because they heard Jews give money on Friday afternoons, and then that person goes home laughing, is sadly, not fulfilling the mitzvah of tzedakah.
January 3, 2012 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm in reply to: What is the hashkafa at Rabbi Chate's Yeshiva? #841179A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantIt would almost be funny if the original post wasn’t even referring to YBT. There are a lot of Chaits.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantFunny, but if my memory serves me correctly, you’ve posted a number of 12th grader questions. Why aren’t you speaking to your Rebbeim and or the Rosh Mesivta about these things. They would be best qualified to know where you should go next year – not hundreds of people who don’t know the first thing about you.
And generally, the Queens BM does not have 1st year. Most guys branch for 3 years and then come back to The Hills.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantIt’s very unfortunate, but probably for every legitimate request for tzedakah, there are several that are just doing “shtick”. One solution has been various Vaads maintaining a database of tzedakah collectors who they know to be legit. So, when someone rings the bell, I ask to see their hashkama from the Vaad. And also, I will not open the door to a strange man if no one else is home.
Those of us who live in frum neighborhoods also know that there is a virtual parade of pushka shakers on Fridays. How many of them are probably not even Jewish?
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantHaving a few boys in the CC system makes me eminently qualified to answer this:
WITS often gets the most serious guys. R’ Zachai, the 1st year BM Rebbe is considerd by some to be the best in the system;
MIAMI also gets serious guys, but they have a drop more fun then at WITS. Guys are very attached to the Rebbeim from there;
ISRAEL – as noted, a mixed bag of types, but all are very “good boys”, regardless of their learning skills. Not all are from CC high schools.
With the other branches, I’m not as sure. VALLEY TORAH sometimes gets weaker guys. But that can vary (as is true of all branches) from year to year.
Some guys, when they come back to The Hills for 4th year, are doing things like TTI, Fairleigh Dickenson, and other “alternative” programs. But it’s not officially “encouraged”.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantLands End almost always has shirts on sale. Go to the website and click “overstocks”.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantWITS is generally a very serious branch, obviously in the Chofetz Chaim mode. The 1st year Beis Medrash Rebbe, R’Zachai, is considered one of the best in the entire CC system.
The Marquette connection rarely if ever happens. You can get credits towards a BTL.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantGenerally, you can buy corn, peas or stringbeans from Birdseye because they are round and don’t have the inner parts that, for instance, broccolli has. Therefore, it doesn’t have the same bug issues.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantAll devices have little water-sensitive tabs in them. If the item gets wet, the tab changes color. It’s the first thing they’ll look to see if you bring it in, even if it’s under warrenty, because water damage usually isn’t covered. I had the same issue with a cellphone. It was a goner, and your friend’s Ipod may have gone the same route. Sorry, BDE.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantA number of years ago, an owner of a restaurant in a certain Vaad’s domain told me that when new places open in the community, and the Rebbeim on the Vaad do not know the proprieters well from the community, they will insist on a FT mashgiach. No doubt, if a woman is running this restaurant, the Rebbeim do not know her very well. In some neighborhoods, there is almost a literal dividing line between the Vaad supervised establishments and “all others”. Unfortunately, we as Yidden have been burnt by supposedly frum Jews who cut corners and even substituted treif. These were people who the supervising agencies felt didn’t need to be watched as closely because of who they were. Can anyone here say “Monsey” or “chicken”? A Vaad protects us.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantThe shirt doesn’t make the man into a yeshiva bochur. Anyone can wear a white shirt. It’s the man fills the shirt.
Thank goodness there are still a few yeshivas out there in the velt that can see more in their bochurim then the color of their shirts. My son’s dress code is for “conservative” button down shirts. That’s where the blue often comes in.
Years ago, when my husband was there, guys wore color shirts at Mirrer. They’d probably be kicked out now.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI’ll always be a Beatles fan. My daughter asked for a birthday present a CD with the Boston Pops under Arthur Fiedler doing Beatles songs. That way she gets to enjoy the music, and not worry about lyrics.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantThe boys come from all over. A mother I know told me a lot of her sons classmates (and she’s referring to all her boys) came from places like Monsey and Brooklyn. It’s for serious learners.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantWith the release of the new Kindle this week, has anything changed with regard to its capability to read seforim on it? Or any of the other devices?
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantThe difference is that with a TV show, you aren’t being forced to watch it. If you find something in the media objectionable, you should have enough sense to not view it. If you own a TV set, you “vote” for a show with your dial.
But gay rights was crammed down our throats. There was no dial to switch.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantSomeone we know is a follower if Rabbi Abadi, who apparently feels that chewing gum is not an issue because gelatin is not a food. I’m not saying I personally follow that, but it did make for an interesting discussion.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantSoon we can put an end to this coffee strife. Just read this morning that Coffee Bean & Team is (finally) opening some stores in Manhattan. The first one is on Broadway & 39th. Don’t know whose hechsher is going to be on these NYC locations, but in LA, all their stores are under the KOLA. Not only are all their coffee and tea drinks, both hot and cold, kosher, but their very fresh and delicious baked goods as well. I’m thrilled about this news. When we came back from a trip to LA once, I actually contacted them to tell them how much our family enjoyed eating there, and stated how much I hoped they’d move to NYC as well. Although this goes back to 2006, I remember that the atmosphere in all the locations we stopped by in LA were very clean, and relaxing. Much nicer then Starbucks any day.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantDon’t even know why I came into the office today, totally non-productive. Thanks for the inspiration in these articles.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantBoth DD locations in 5Towns serve Cholev Yisrael. That’s the easier part.
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantPlease, to all of you here who are arguing the minutee of whether or not using the phone to text could be allowed on Shabbos, you’re totally missing the point. Those young people who are doing this are our children, regardless of whether or not they attend the same yeshiva or wear the same type of attire as the little ones within your four walls. They are missing out on the uniqueness and beauty of Shabbos. Don’t look for halachic loopholes to justify their behavior. They need a warm Shabbos and a hug, not these types of arguments which is part of what’s turned them off in the first place! And it’s almost ironic that there’s a group called “Sabbath Manifesto” that seeks to have people turn off their devices and reconnect with other humans for whatever they consider a Sabbath to be.
July 27, 2011 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm in reply to: What are the pros and cons of calling 13th Ave "Leiby Kletzky Avenue"? #790279A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantBut haven’t the Kletzy’s made their wishes quite clearly known by establishing a tzedaka in Leiby’s name? The Halberstams wanted that ramp to be named for Ari. Who says that Leiby’s parents want something similiar?
A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipantI’m a little late coming into this thread, but what in the world is wrong with Curious George? My children are upset at me for getting rid of some of the kids books, not because of frumkeit, but because they tell me now that they would have liked to have had them for their own kids I”H.
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