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  • in reply to: Mathematical Expressions in Sefira Counting #941757
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    Wolf,

    When we count sefirah, we mention the number of days, and also the weeks and remainder. In a sense, counting like “today is the 44th day… 6 weeks and two days…” is equivalent to saying (6 * 7) + 2 days. So counting via mathematical formula is already built in.

    That said, since the Torah mentions counting the omer via days and weeks, I’m not sure if multiplying by a non-week number would suffice, since it would be like saying, “today is 4 periods of 11 days and no days of the omer…” which puts the focus on something other than a day or week. But it ultimately does add up to the right number of days, one may have fulfilled the mitzvah by saying it like that (though lechatchila not in the best way to do it)… so I guess one would have to ask a shaila at that point whether they can count with a bracha. I can hear the Rav now, “you did what???”

    in reply to: The Joseph Thread #734471
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    We’ve tried to mark each known Joseph for your convenience.

    I don’t know why, but that line really cracks me up.

    Mods, sorry if my editing came off on your end as multiple submissions. If this try (to bold the quotation) doesn’t work, I’ll give it up!

    in reply to: is it OK to make fun of ourselves? #727803
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    Lightly poking fun at oneself in order to “break the ice” or otherwise relax a conversation or audience, or to reflect true humility is one thing.

    Self-insulting, which lowers one’s stature in his own eyes as well as others, can cause a person to not try as hard to reach their potential, or it may reflect low self-esteem.

    A Rav joking with a person who forgot to bring his sefer to the shiur by saying that he would be likely to do the same thing is poking fun at himself in order to make the student feel better.

    A student saying to himself, “I’m stupid and not cut out for this anyway, so why study?” is selling himself short.

    in reply to: The Joseph Thread #734463
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    Mother in Israel,

    I read his statement like this:

    NO real-brisker… is not him. A double negative implying that any poster named real-brisker on this site is him 🙂

    in reply to: "Coffee" Room?? #727562
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    I drink it in the morning… I buy whole beans and grind them right before brewing, it tastes great and is a lot cheaper than buying coffee each day!

    in reply to: Wolfishmusings=Kapusta #773722
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    The Wolf and kapusta are very consistent with their identities.

    I’ll be honest, a while back I did wonder if there was more going on than met the monitor screen with the Wolf and Mosherose, because Mosherose always seemed to pop up in response to the Wolf, and seemed like an almost too perfect foil for him, but I don’t feel that way anymore.

    I will say that mbachur and deiyezooger are exhibiting some very Joseph-like characteristics, and seem to be attempting to delegitimize the multiple screenname issue with Joseph through ridicule and satire.

    Hoping I don’t sound like McCarthy:-)

    in reply to: Screen Names #1176111
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    dunno,

    Who cares if he has more than one screen name? If it makes him happy, good for him!

    Using a bunch of sock-puppets to carpet bomb or artificially steer conversations can be very disruptive to a forum. Especially if the sock puppets are pushing straw man arguments disguised as Torah positions, which is downright dangerous.

    in reply to: hasc concert – a time for duets #726477
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    eshterhamalka,

    what’s up with the picking and choosing??

    I’m not sure that it is picking and choosing as much as it is different moderators making the decisions.

    in reply to: Healthy Eating #743078
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    Replacing white, bleached flour with whole grains is a high impact healthy change. Replacing sugary soda with water is another (a 20oz coke has almost 16 tsp of sugar in it!). Snacking on fruit or vegetables (apples, pomegranate, blueberries, carrot sticks, etc.) and almonds instead of chips and cookies is another.

    Some big healthy changes to get started without significant alteration to your meals!

    in reply to: Proposal #728104
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    bjjkid,

    The house is on fire, and you’re complaining about what type of front door was installed?

    in reply to: The Real Issue: Facebook #724681
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    Joseph,

    Is Facebook worse than television?

    in reply to: If You Had Sixty Seconds With Dovid Hamelech,What Would You Say? #725759
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    And you guys are talking about Dovid Hamelech?

    What a childish question.

    Why is it a childish question? We have the opportunity to speak to Hashem every day. Thinking of the fear of approaching one of our gedolim from previous generations can help us approach our tefillos with a more proper mindset.

    in reply to: Tipping a delivery boy – Mandatory or Optional? #920299
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    Joseph,

    What’s the big deal?

    Hashem’s honor.

    Tipping is very nice, it makes a kiddush hashem, its very much appreciated, but who says one is required?

    Ask your Rov if, when faced with the choice between making a kiddush Hashem and a chillul Hashem, are you required to make the kiddush Hashem?

    On many other topics, you come down on the strict side. Why, however, when it comes to your gelt, does derech eretz become optional?

    in reply to: Tipping a delivery boy – Mandatory or Optional? #920280
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    My pharmacy boasts free delivery no matter what you buy. We once ordered a couple of items that a Mexican dropped off, it was one shopping bag. We gave him a dollar. He threw it on the floor and said “I don’t accept one dollar.”

    So now we’ve established that there are deliverymen out there who are rude. How does this impact the discussion on tipping?

    in reply to: Tipping a delivery boy – Mandatory or Optional? #920278
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    If tips these days are mandatory, it is still false advertisement to say FREE delivery.

    The tips are not mandatory… unless you fear G-d and His Torah.

    Just because someone agrees with me it doesn’t make me him!

    In this case, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    in reply to: Tipping a delivery boy – Mandatory or Optional? #920258
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    I ordered from a restaurant with FREE delivery, the total was $26.25 I gave the delivery boy $30 obviously with the intention to get change, he had the chutzpa to ask me “How much change do you want?”

    Seeing that $3.75 is right about 15% of $26.25, I’d say the deliveryman was fairly gracious for not assuming that the $30 included the tip already.

    in reply to: Tipping a delivery boy – Mandatory or Optional? #920256
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    Joseph (in the guise of real-brisker, Trying my best, and Cedarhurst):

    Saying “excuse me” or “sorry” if you smash into someone and knock them down is also totally optional, but in U.S. culture, one who doesn’t apologize is seen as a total boor. Tipping for certain services is also a part of U.S. culture, to the point that a non-tipper is seen in the same light. To NOT tip in this culture is to communicate that you are either highly dissatisfied with the service provided, or simply rude.

    A Yid in golus should not do something that would cause others to view him as a total boor. If for nothing else, do it for that reason.

    All that said, seriously, if you didn’t tip the poor deliveryman, I recommend not getting delivery from the same place again.

    PS – In many places, the tips ARE included in the price if the party size is large (look at the small print on some menus).

    in reply to: HAVE YOU NOTICED? #725061
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    msseeker:

    One should assume that every new poster is Joseph until proven otherwise. 🙂

    in reply to: To Blog Or Not To Blog #724385
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    To get parnassa from a blog, one would have to garner readers, Web traffic. Sometimes this can be done by filling a niche, providing valuable information or ideas to the community. Sometimes, however, a blogger might try to drum up Web traffic through controversy, shock, or gossip. Another issue is privacy. A public blog can be viewed by anyone.

    As far as pros, it’s a quick, easy, and free way to publish one’s writings!

    in reply to: Falling in Love- a Jewish Concept? #724619
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    popa_bar_abba:

    Is it possible that Yitzchok loved Esav’s food in part because of the kibud av that it showed? Just like we love the cards and drawings our children give to us?

    in reply to: Falling in Love- a Jewish Concept? #724612
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    So many people running around trying to prove that they are “better” and “different” from those savages known as the “goyim”

    Oy, I really don’t think that’s what’s going on here. I think we are all working with different definitions of love.

    The society around us throws the word love around to describe many different feelings, including lust (what most modern songs about “love” are really talking about), infatuation (aka, falling in love, preoccupation), connection/intimacy (the love that G-d willing grows in a marriage), gratification (I “love” burgers and fries).

    I don’t think anyone here has expressed that any of those feelings are inherently “wrong”, but that the non-frum culture wrongfully distorts and confuses them.

    in reply to: Waiting on line in a grocery? #724081
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    i already said in a previous post that you could leave the line get your item and get back in time, but it is vexing to those who followed the rules,

    I guess that is where we differ. I was unaware that there was a rule against leaving the line (informing those behind you), either posted or unspoken. Perhaps it is a cultural difference between NYC and “OOT.” If the people behind me were so vexed, they can always shove my cart out of the line and take my spot, but I’ve never had that happen. I’ve never even detected annoyance.

    if its a long enough line i could duck out and get a cup of coffee and return in 15 minutes without inconveniencing anyone but should i do so?

    A lot can change in 15 minutes vs. 90 seconds – 2 minutes. Assuming one knew for sure that he would be stuck in line for longer than that, with no changes, then perhaps he can take requests and bring coffee to everyone in line? 🙂

    in reply to: Waiting on line in a grocery? #724078
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    Real, i feel it will disturb the people behind you they will wonder why should i have bothered to gather all that i need and then get in line if others can get in line and then duck out to continue shopping, if something you do will cause animosity than you shouldn’t do it

    TheGoq,

    I understand what you are saying. If everything else were equal, then certainly don’t do something that could annoy someone else. There comes a point, however, when one should not make a decision based on whether another person may get annoyed, especially when, in our fast-paced culture, people get annoyed too easily. I know this example is not equivalent to the grocery store case, but if I am waiting in my car to turn at an intersection, I will not go if I don’t have a clear line of sight, no matter how much the person behind me honks their horn and perhaps thinks “Jews can’t drive!”

    I would definitely agree with you that leaving the line should not be done if it would cause the next person to wait longer, but should I make my wife and kids waiting for me in the car wait longer just to avoid the possibility that the person behind me in line has no compassion or thinks I did it on purpose? Is there no room left in our society to have mercy on others?

    This is all said with a given that the person leaving the line verbally told the next person in line to go ahead if he didn’t return in time, and would go to the end of the line if that happened.

    in reply to: Waiting on line in a grocery? #724066
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    but by doing so u are saying to your fellow shopper i know i should have done my shopping b4 getting in line but the rules do not apply to me, this very attitude is a big contributor to anti-semitism

    Even if I verbally surrender my place in line to the next person should I not return before it’s my turn?

    in reply to: Change of Pronunciation #798152
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    Sam I Am:

    If I may, I would like to turn your question on its head.

    I am Ashkenazic, and my grandfather spoke with an Ashkenazic pronounciation, e.g., tav with dagesh, sav without, etc. I grew up in a Conservative home, and went to a Conservative Hebrew school where I learned the Israeli pronunciations for Hebrew (minus the unique “r” sound used by native Israelis of course).

    Once I became frum, I was very interested in preserving as much of my family’s traditions as possible, doing things as my grandfather and his parents did. One thing that I did was to begin shifting the way I pronounced things in davening from the Israeli pronounciations to the Ashkenazic pronunciations of my grandfather.

    In effect, I was changing my “custom” but adopting my family custom. Would you consider this the wrong thing to do or the right thing to do?

    in reply to: Falling in Love- a Jewish Concept? #724605
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    Guess what? That happened to us as well. We both knew within a *very* short period of time that it was not a matter of “if” we would marry, but “when.”

    The Wolf

    Wolf,

    It was the same with my wife and me. Wouldn’t you say, however, that your love has grown with time, or has it stayed the same?

    I think a lot of people here are using the word love to describe both infatuation and connection. Neither are “wrong” in their proper context. I feel that both are important.

    I used to live in a townhome that had a fireplace. To start a fire, I would place some large logs into the fireplace, along with a bunch of smaller, dry twigs and newspaper for kindling. The kindling would catch first, very quickly, and burn brightly, consuming all attention, but it wasn’t very hot and could extinguish very quickly if not nurtured and the logs didn’t catch. After a while, the logs would catch, and once they did, the fire produced a large amount of warmth, and would not extinguish easily. I think infatuation is kind of like the kindling, with the goal being a robust fire that warms your home.

    in reply to: Waiting on line in a grocery? #724059
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    TheGoq:

    When I choose a checkout line after shopping, I try to pick the line with the fewest groceries as opposed to shoppers, since it usually takes longer to scan and bag the groceries than it does to pay when there are no glitches. Therefore, from my perspective, it would be far worse for a person to hold a place in line for another person coming in with a cart full of groceries than for someone to quickly leave a cart of grocieries to grab one forgotten item. I have left my cart to grab a forgotten item when it was not yet my turn to check out, which causes no time loss for anyone behind me (since I would otherwise just be standing there in line) and saves me up to 15 minutes, depending on the lines. I will usually say something to the person behind me such as “I will be RIGHT back, just forgot one thing! Please go ahead of me if I’m not back by my turn.” and I usually get a smile in response when I return, out of breath, when it is still not yet my turn.

    in reply to: Tehllim at night? #723154
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    Moderator-80,

    To be honest, I’m not sure why I’ve responded to him so strongly. I have never condemned anyone, and the Wolf condemns no one save himself, so whether his words are satire or not, they are not directed towards me personally at all. Initially I responded out of curiosity, but I think some of it resonates with my background. I apologize for helping to pull this thread off topic.

    Wolf,

    I apologize for coming off so strongly.

    -Fellow pack member

    in reply to: Tehllim at night? #723152
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    Because, IMHO, it more sense to say that the Rambam is talking straight

    Do you really, in your heart believe that, if the Rambam were alive today and you went to him with a shaila about calling your children darlings, that he would say you were condemned to gehenim for it? When so many other actual sins don’t have that statement attached to it?

    Or do you think that something was qualitatively lost in the translation of nicknames, and that the Rambam is talking about a case where the nickname can be destructive to a person’s life?

    How much credit do you give to the Rambam?

    PS – What makes names like Eeees a “nickname” vs. a special additional given name?

    in reply to: Tehllim at night? #723151
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    Why do you assume I’m engaged in satire?

    The Wolf

    Wolf,

    Some of the things you write are either satire or absurd in the context of your other posts, and are so consistent that they can be predicted reliably:

    Random opening post: Have you heard of A? Some people think it’s assur, what does the coffee room think?

    Random responder: I don’t see anything wrong with A.

    Joseph incarnation CXVIII: A is not something a yid should do.

    Wolf: I do A because it’s an essential component of performing mitzvah B. Yet another reason I’m going to hell.

    This is a change of tactics from what you were doing several months ago, by following up strong or moral arguments with over the top self-insulting. My guess is that you really don’t like it when someone makes blanket statements about another’s eternity (which is essentially trampling on Hashem’s domain), and are using a very deadpan satire to bring it to the forefront. It seems, however, that the great majority of blanket statements regarding others’ eternities in this forum have come from a single poster under multiple screennames, so why do you act like it is epidemic here?

    in reply to: Kol Isha #723300
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    If you forgot that chances are you will forget what you came to buy as well.

    Or if you already have a shopping cart (I think New Yorkers call this a wagon:-) filled with frozen groceries and bagged produce, would it be right to just abandon it in the middle of the store?

    This is a half-serious question.

    in reply to: Kol Isha #723277
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    Cedarhurst,

    Would it be feasible for you to bring headphones with you into the store and listen to your own music while shopping (thus rendering yourself unable to hear the store’s music)?

    in reply to: Hope the terrorists aren't watching…. #722376
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    estherhamalka,

    If ambulances, fire trucks, garbage trucks, and plows are having difficulty getting around, I don’t think the terrorists would have an easier time. Snow is an equal opportunity city stopper.

    in reply to: Tehllim at night? #723146
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    Hi Wolf,

    Perhaps there is a deeper meaning, similarly, perhaps there is a deeper meaning to the Rambam’s statement about nicknames, etc. Why take one at face value, and not the other?

    in reply to: Tehllim at night? #723143
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    Wolf,

    Do you say Ashrei three times a day?

    I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I don’t understand your strategy.

    in reply to: Praying About Past Events and Parshas Sh'mos. #1111174
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    Wolf,

    I love questions like this, I guess because I read lots of science fiction when I was younger. I think one possible answer may well be in your questions themselves: “I wish I had not done that” and “I wish that hadn’t happened”.

    If Hashem would change the past in response to our tefillos, then we would be provided an avenue to place responsibility for our actions outside of ourselves. I can imagine it totally destroying the foundations of teshuva. For example, I can imagine the following sequence:

    1.) Person does an aveirah, realizes and regrets.

    2.) Person sincerely asks for forgiveness, but davens that the sin never happened (erase it).

    3.) Sin still exists in the past (e.g., in the person’s memory or through the consequences of his action).

    4.) Person interprets this as a rejection of his tefilla.

    5.) Person projects some responsibility for the situation to Hashem, after all, if the sin were really so bad in Hashem’s eyes, He would erase it.

    Basically the person would become so past-oriented, obsessing over the erasure of the past sin, that he would lose focus on the present and future.

    Here’s a question I had when I read your post:

    If Hashem did change the past, how would we know?

    From our perspective, we exist only in the present. We cannot affect the past (but the past exists in our context as memory/recordings/history and effects on the present), and the future does not yet “exist” for us. If Hashem changed the past in response to our tefillos and we were aware of this (somehow retaining awareness of the now non-existent timeline), then we would be able to affect the past in a way. For whatever reason we aren’t supposed to have this ability… or know about it, at least.

    Personally when I read about true teshuva and how G-d enacts a miracle and erases our sin (as if it never happened), it makes me think. Is our perception of the past Hashem’s reality?

    in reply to: DATE NIGHT #720176
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    Wolf,

    Touche.

    I’m focused on the kid angle because the OP asked the question in that context (I think he ultimately wanted to go Joseph-fishing though and get a bunch of “it’s assur!” posts). But you are right, ultimately a person’s top human relational priority is to his/her spouse.

    in reply to: DATE NIGHT #720174
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    says who:

    I don’t think it’s about showing the kids that we’re happy. You are right, happiness and closeness is demonstrated by our everyday interactions. It does demonstrate that we view our spouse as top priority, however. It is also imperative for the parents to relate as spouses.

    in reply to: Artscroll Gemorahs – English vs. Hebrew #720363
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    SJS –

    I did not have the privilege of attending a Yeshiva, so I have been one of those who very much wanted to learn but did not have the background to understand even a single line on the page of a Gemara. When I discovered the Artscroll translations, I bought a few to begin learning them. I found them to be extremely helpful; with effort and reading all the commentaries, I felt that I understood what the Gemara was saying. Then I’d go onto the next page. After a while, I felt that there was something lacking in the learning I was doing. I read books describing the beis midrash atmosphere, of pairs engaged in a very lively discussion over the sugyos. I didn’t see any lively discussion in my learning. To me, the learning felt no different from university studies. Open the text, read, understand, move on. And there were no exams or essays to motivate me. A week passes, and more than half of what I learned I forgot.

    I wanted to be able to learn Gemara in the original. The way it’s supposed to be done. So I joined a beginner’s Gemara class offered by a local Kollel. What a difference! The amount of Gemara covered in each shiur is far less than what I’d cover in the same amount of time by myself with an Artscroll, but we’d learn and review, and review again. Through the review each piece of the Gemara we learn goes inside me, it becomes mine. I remember it even after weeks have gone by, and I keep thinking about it during the day, even when not in the shiur or actively reviewing. It is such a different experience, and I don’t feel I am giving it justice with this description. IY”H I will continue to progress and learn and gain an ability to learn Gemara independently.

    I do think the Artscroll has its place. If I didn’t have access to a shiur with a rav who knows Gemara, then the Artscroll would help me to ensure I wasn’t completely off the wall. But it’s definitely no replacement for the beis midrash style learning and the review. I think that’s why you might hear people “knocking it”. It’s not a criticism of the learning of people who don’t know Aramaic. I am one of those people (hopefully I won’t be in the near future!), and the rav teaching the shiur told me how valuable the learning we’re doing is. It’s a criticism of using the Artscroll as a “cheat sheet” rather than parsing the Gemara – in a beginner’s shiur even, if need be.

    All that said, another person might be able to get that kind of learning from the Artscroll. A talented person may be able to retain what he learns and even learn Hebrew and Aramaic from the Artscroll. For me, however, I really needed a straight Gemara, a rav, a shiur, and a beis midrash.

    in reply to: DATE NIGHT #720139
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    mikehall12382:

    So have you been disappointed by the response so far?

    in reply to: Brim up ~ Brim Down #1012121
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    not I:

    That’s why the fedora brim should be up…. when it’s not on your head:-) Thanks for the reminder, I left mine down when I took it off this morning.

    in reply to: DATE NIGHT #720127
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    mikehall – I think it is very healthy for children for their parents to go on dates, not just because it provides a good role model for healthy marriages, but because healthy communication between the spouses aids united parenting.

    My wife and I have started working short dates into our schedule, since they can be done more frequently. We take walks outside. Once we went out for breakfast. It may not seem exciting, but the chance to have uninterrupted conversations is priceless.

    in reply to: Fun Things To Do In Boca Raton #844738
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    For kids: Boomers (mini golf, go-karts, bumper boats, etc.), near the Boca FAU campus/airport.

    For the whole family: Butterfly World (just south of Boca off the Turnpike).

    in reply to: Multiple screen names. #717341
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    amichai,

    When a certain username gets blocked, and less than a day later a new username pops up complaining about his blocked username, it seems pretty obvious to me:-)

    in reply to: Over moderation #760864
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    RuffRuff, I’m assuming you are Helpful aka Myfriend aka So right aka Joseph:

    Creating a new screenname because your standing was compromised and you want a fresh start is one thing. A person creating multiple screennames for the purpose of hijacking threads; however, is something that any forum would want to avoid, whether or not the person’s viewpoint was correct. A viewpoint if indeed Torah-true does not need deceptive methods to bolster it, and the viewpoint is actually weakened when the deception is discovered or obvious.

    Based on how prevalent the puppeteerring has been since I’ve started reading this forum, I’d say the moderators have been pretty lenient.

    in reply to: This Shabbos… #716243
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    Wolf,

    You say you follow the mitzvos, of which Hashem promised us good if we do them, so you cannot be consistent to say you are condemned.

    Furthermore, every reason you give for being condemned is fundamentally absurd, at best a gross distortion of rabbinical pronouncements or a caricature of things people have said here, for example, laining Torah (lashon hara?!), giving nicknames to your family (do you purposely hurt your family’s feelings with the nicknames, or are you by extension condemning every parent of an Avi, Ruthie, Shoshi, Rivkie, Malkie, etc.?), and a large number of other topics brought up here. You alternate this behavior with opening topics that demonstrate a high level of concern for proper middos and behavior, not the type asked by someone who is really condemned. You act fully within the Jewish sphere but seem to want the rest of us to place you outside of it for flimsy, silly reasons. Out of burning curiosity… why???

    in reply to: Charity — What's More Important? The Act or the Amount? #715792
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    Wolf,

    I certainly wouldn’t stop giving tzedaka online out of concern that it’s not helping you to develop your midda of kindness. Ultimately the point of tzedaka is the help it brings to a needy person or organization… otherwise there would be no point at all in giving, because it wouldn’t even be defined as a kind act.

    One option is to put a pushke into your home or make sure to bring a quarter or dollar to shul on weekdays, and place a coin or dollar bill into it each day. That way you can afford to continue supporting your tzedaka online in a timely and regular manner (which really helps them with their budgeting) while at the same time train your hand to be giving. At the end of the month or year, a pretty good donation will have amassed in your pushke too!

    in reply to: Shaitle Fraud Chillul Hashem Video: Sha'ar haTumah haChamishim #717953
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    Aishes,

    I remember learning it in the context that (e.g.,) if someone seriously aggrieved a woman, she can unload her burden to her husband. From this, I get the sense that the talking out of the problems should be done in a private setting with a confidant, rather than in public.

    That said, without the video, I could see a toeles in discussing the problems caused by the TV appearance, including the chillul Hashem and embarrassment caused to other Jews, but I don’t think anyone new should know who specifically the story was about, and cause further ruin to their lives. At this point, nobody here personally knows this family, but already there has been one post to the effect of, “my brother-in-law knows who they are!” and it’s only a matter of time before word spreads from this forum into their real life world.

    Turkeyneck,

    I’m not sure that TV can be considered a 100% faithful representation of reality. A boring one-hour case can be edited down to a much more scandalous sounding (and ratings garnering) 24 minute bit. I was once interviewed for a newspaper story while in high school, and my words were taken considerably out of context to fit into a story already dreamed up by the reporter. None of my words were changed, but they were used to portray me as more nervous than I was to contrast me with another fellow who was very self-confident. No damage was done, but as a high schooler I felt quite embarrassed. I learned a valuable lesson to not rely so much on TV and newspapers as “truth”!

    in reply to: Shaitle Fraud Chillul Hashem Video: Sha'ar haTumah haChamishim #717945
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    AinOhdMilvado,

    Please consider the possibility that some people can be shocked into silence and not know what to say.

    in reply to: Shaitle Fraud Chillul Hashem Video: Sha'ar haTumah haChamishim #717941
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Aishes Chayil,

    So if someone makes themselves “fodder”, does that give us the right to spread L”H about them without even attempting to shield them from further shame? No mercy?

    I can see a possible toeles in mentioning the story –without names– in a discussion of avoiding chillul Hashem. But once the video comes into play, things quickly go from a toeles discussion to “let ’em have it for embarrassing US!” Also in play is the fact that the video is going “viral.”

    To summarize my position, I am not opposed to a discussion of “Jews going on court TV to settle a claim, chillul Hashem?”, but I am opposed to spreading the video.

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