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AZOI.IS,
Is there a connection between neglecting to pay Shadchanus to the Shadchan who spent many hours, days, weeks and moths and arranged your Shidduch, and the blazing Shidduch crisis that were all very aware of, with thousands of heartbroken singles hoping a Shadchan will put effort into matching them, but gets burnt out when theyre not paid for a successful Shidduch?
What right does a shadchan have to underserve an innocent client who engaged his or her services in good faith, and who has nothing to do with the previous clients who didn’t pay? Two wrongs don’t make a right. If a shadchan is having trouble getting compensation he or she is owed, have clients sign contracts and bring them to dinei Torah if they renege. If shadchanus is your parnassa, conduct it like a business.
Joseph,
“Or, rather, you’re eyeing your personal distaste of a very legitimate practice upon others.”
It is not a legitimate practice for Ashkenazim. Do you have a problem with that?
Joseph,
“Incorrect. Halacha still allows it. Non-Ashkenazim still do it ad hayom hazeh. Even Ashkenazim can do it with a heter meah. It is a takana for Ashkenazim not to do it; it is not halacha. You cannot dismiss the differences between a halacha and a takana.”
Wow.
Replace “Rabbeinu Gershom’s takana” with “kitniyos” and you sound exactly like Avi K. Why is it that with this particular subject you suddenly become open orthodox in your attitude towards halacha and our sages?
1,
“That’s why modem rabbis are running around saying”
Last time I dialed up a modem rabbi it made lots of screeching noises at me.
Takoma Park, MD
zahavasdad,
“I never realized my food choices and table manners were so fascinating to people.”
Gotta hock about something on the CR!
Joseph,
“The original example works for women since they can only be married to one man but not for men since they can marry multiple women.”
This statement is kind of random. Nothing in chabadshlucha’s post implied otherwise.
Syag Lchochma,
“i think he said pretty clearly that he does not eat those foods if given the choice”
When does he not have a choice?
“and that he does not display disgust to a host. Just because those foods elicit that response in him (and I am right there with him, as are other adults) does not mean he demonstrates the response at a hosts house. And if he said that, why can you not seem to accept it to be so?”
I’m not talking about an active display of disgust. I’m talking about non-verbal, involuntary reactions that occur when one feels “forced” to do something that disgusts him/her. Observant hosts can usually tell which dishes the guests like and which they don’t like.
“I think it is fair to guess that a primary reason why you would not know about those types of food related responses is because you don’t share them so it would not necessarily come up.”
That’s fair. Plain yellow mustard nauseates me, but when it’s mixed into other things (such as barbecue sauce or marinades) it becomes tolerable.
Syag Lchochma,
“Unless you happen to have been at a table with him and witnessed something inappropriate I’m not so sure it is your place to be reprimanding him on his feelings about food or how he handles it (based on your perception of how it played out).”
Maybe I’m reading too much into zahavasdad’s posts, but I don’t think my response was based on unwarranted assumptions. He described eating the food he’s served like a kid who eats hated vegetables. We’ve all seen kids eating vegetables they dislike: intentionally or unintentionally, there is a non-verbal display of displeasure. It’s choked down. Also, and perhaps I could have expressed this in a less confrontational manner, kids eating vegetables they do not like implies that a form of coercion is at play. As a free adult, however, zahavasdad can choose to eat or not eat what he pleases. If he gulps down a piece of gefilte fish drowned in chrain, that was 100% his choice, and he is not a victim of anything but his own perception of etiquette. I’m trying to argue that it might be better both for him and for his host, to not eat foods that cause him so much distress. In most cases there’s so much food served that he won’t even need to actively refuse it, and if directly offered, there’s polite ways to decline it.
“And if you are just trying to enlighten him on their point, then possibly present it without the attached judgement regarding his preferences.”
I wasn’t intending to pass judgement on his preferences. If he doesn’t like gefilte fish, ptcha, or whatever, that doesn’t bother me in the slightest (and he’s got an ally where the ptcha is concerned). I was surprised by the vehemence of his disgust and the manner in which he expressed it, but maybe I’m unusually food-tolerant, or maybe he uses strong expressions more loosely than I do such that his “nauseating” is my “don’t prefer” , or maybe I was taught and believe that it’s wrong to call food disgusting, so I have a cultural perception that he’s being rude.
zahavasdad,
“I am very gracious to my host and would never insult them or make it seems like I am ungrateful”
I don’t doubt that; however, a lot of human communication is nonverbal, and if you are choking down something that you despise (your word), your host will probably notice your suffering, even if you’re thanking them.
“Like any other person there are foods you like and foods you dislike and some people dislike certain smells of things”
Of course, but you are really toning down your language here. Originally you used phrases such as “cannot stand”, “grossed out”, and “literal[l]y literally makes [me] nauseous.” I am not accustomed to hearing those phrases from adults, and we instruct our children to not use them when describing food. And no, we do not force them to eat things they really don’t like – but we we do try to teach them that others may like these foods, and such phrases may ruin their enjoyment and not be nice.
And although there is not much halachic significance to Ashkenazic cultural foods served on Shabbos as you have pointed out many times, many people do have deep cultural and familial ties to these foods. When readers see passionate and visceral disgust expressed towards their cultural foods, juxtaposed with more measured language when describing other foods (more polite phrases such as, “I don’t prefer”), I think they feel that you are attacking their culture.
zahavasdad,
“Having a food at the table that literaly makes you nauseous does not make a good seudah.”
Agreed, though such a visceral reaction to multiple foods in an adult seems unusual to me.
“and the other item I will only eat begrudingly if someone serves it to me in a plate and I dont want to be a rude guest. I will eat it sort of the way a kid will eat Vegiitables that they hate.”
Well, you are an adult, not a kid, and I think you should conduct yourself as an adult at someone’s Shabbos table. That means having the ability to politely decline to eat foods that you do not want. Most hosts serve a plethora of foods to guests at their Shabbos seudos, and it’s impossible to eat everything on the table. I would much rather a guest politely decline a food on my table than to eat it begrudgingly, thinking they are pleasing me! And by politely decline, I mean, “no, thank you”, not “eww yuck, dats so gross!”
The little I know and UncleSamSW,
Out of curiosity – aside from the large number of people attending (stadium seating) and the ornate tent (probably used/adapted from other functions), what exactly are the elements of these weddings that are getting you so worked up? CTLAWYER notes the absence of food, TLIK says there is food but it’s not fancy, and Neville ChaimBerlin notes the absence of gaudy displays.
UncleSamSW,
“Who asked the Chosson or kallah in Belz or Bobov or any other chassidus when they making chassuna if they like to have such a big Wedding”
I’m assuming that the kallah knew that she was marrying the grandson of the Rebbe, so she probably had an idea that she was stepping into a big wedding. And I’m also guessing that the chosson and kallah had some say in the wedding plans. I don’t think they were blindfolded, brought into the tent, and then everyone yelled, “SURPRISE!!”
UncleSamSW,
“its only a Grandchild and there will be a lot more Grandchildren in the Future to come who will get married”
Thank G-d, my children are like lights in my parents’ eyes. And please G-d may I have grandchildren and the ability to treasure each and every one of them and the strength to dance at their weddings.
“nobody belives when the Rebbe is dancing for an half an hour back and foreward with a gartel or without”
I can’t even figure out what this means.
“My personal opinion is: these Rebbes Chassunas and Simchas are ONLY FOR ENTERTAINMENT”
I think your “ONLY” is insulting, but you’re absolutely right that much of the wedding pomp is for entertainment. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Torah. It’s a tremendous mitzva to bring simcha to a chosson and kallah. And for a rebbe to include as many of his chassidim as possible in the simcha helps to increase their connection with him, which I believe is a vital part of chassidus.
Go be cynical on your own cheshbon and leave other people alone.
litvishechossid,
“Also when you flip to vihiy Noam you also have to flip back to aleinu so it back and forth. I haven’t seen this in any other siddur. It definitely isn’t ideal.
The Yitzchak Yair has aleinu back there (after all the additional pesukim), as well as the two kaddishes and havdala. No need to flip back to the weekday maariv.
“Again flipping one page to aleinu is really not a big deal. Do you complain about turning pages when you daven?”
Bitterly. (just kidding)
“So why would one extra page to turn be such a deterrence for you?”
Probably because I’m so familiar with the Yitzchak Yair. But I also prefer bentchers where the al hanissim additions for Chanuka and Purim don’t take up a full two pages. So it’s just a personal preference.
“Besides thats not the only issue. I don’t think everyone is so happy with the small robotic typefont. Like it was typed on word or something.”
Agreed about the font. One of my favorite fonts is actually in the “Tefillas Shai” siddur from Feldheim – it’s a very attractive siddur, though my copy is quite small, and it is more geared towards davening in E”Y. It also has vihi noam right there in the weekday maariv.
litvishechossid,
“Avram- it’s not 5 pages extra.”
I didn’t say it was.
“Flipping one page is much easier than 100.”
Sure, and maybe the difference for you is such that you’d rather flip the page 5 times a week to avoid the big motzei Shabbos flip. That’s reasonable, and by all means use a siddur that includes it in the weekday maariv. I stand by what I wrote before. I’ve used siddurim that include it and don’t, and I personally prefer the latter.
“I know that they may have wanted to make a special section for motzei shabbos, but also including it in maariv as well would not have made the siddur that much thicker. If that’s too much they could also take out ashrei in mincha and just force everyone to flip to the ashrei in shacharis. No need to waste pages with duplicates.”
Artscroll and other siddur publishers do their best to reach a balance between avoiding thick tomes with the same tefillos copied multiple times and minimizing page flipping. Neither can be completely avoided, choices have to be made, and not everybody will be pleased 100% of the time. If having vihi noam between kaddish and aleinu is super important to you, and you can remember that by motzei Shabbos it’s a half kaddish and not a full one before vihi noam, and then you do a full kaddish afterwards, and you don’t mind not having havdala right there – all things that you get explicitly by Artscroll using the layout it does, then by all means use a siddur that puts vihi noam there. I personally would rather see the half kaddish and full kaddish spelled out and have havdala there too, and don’t mind flipping to the end of the Shabbos davening section to get it.
Do you get upset that you have to flip from the morning brachos to the Shabbos pesukei dzimra every Shabbos morning?
Takes2-2tango,
“One what is the minhag based on ,assuming there is even a minhag.”
I don’t think anyone here is claiming that there is a minhag to be vague about or to not share the due date. Rather it is done for the reason Syag stated above – to avoid a fixation on the due date that can cause stress for the expecting parents at a time when they really, really don’t need any extra stress. Only 5% of women actually give birth on their due date – it’s a very flat curve with a standard distribution of over 2 weeks (!!) Around a quarter of women don’t give birth even within 10 days of the due date.
“2)Even if yoi wont give an exact date, why cant you give an approximation. +/- 2 weeks.”
I don’t understand why you are asking iacisrmma this – s/he has already stated that this is what they do.
“I know people who over all very logical/mentchlich people ,but when it comes to telling parents/ inlaws they act as if its non of your business to ask or know. “
Perhaps the reason some couples are more hesitant to tell parents is that the parents are much more invested than friends, and thus unfortunately more likely to generate the late pregnancy stress – especially if they are not sensitive or understanding. That said, I agree with Joseph’s point regarding kibud av v’eim. So my personal opinion would be to give the general idea as iacisrmma does, and tell the parents that we are not relying on the due date provided by the doctors, because it doesn’t have much meaning and that focusing on a specific date causes distress. So no real information is being withheld at all. I think most loving parents would be fine with that.
litvishechossid,
“For all those supporting the Artscroll “swipeless” system, you are forgetting the fact that you have to swipe to vehi noam, on motzei Shabbos in between shemona esrei and Aleinu which is so annoying and takes you out of focus.”
I think this is an issue of personal preference. I would rather flip to vehi noam once per week on motzei Shabbos rather than having to skip forward two pages five times a week. Also, I’m guessing Artscroll wants to keep the vehi noam together with all of the other additional pesukim that some say after Shabbos. Absent having a separate machzor for every single daily permutation, there’s no way to avoid the need to flip around the siddur entirely. By using the same siddur regularly, one can become pretty familiar with the flips. One place I do get thrown is by the sefiras haomer tables, but there is no way to get around it unfortunately (with a printed siddur – yes cell phone people, I anticipate your response).
zahavasdad,
“it is a bigger mitzvah to eat Kosher if you are tempted not to, than if you are repulsed by a non-kosher food item.”
Yes, but the ideal goal is to then train oneself to the point where there is no longer a temptation. Overcoming trials in service of Hashem is definitely among the most praiseworthy things a person can do, but your statement painted a picture of a BT as a person one sniff away from potentially sinning or going OTD.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“I think what he meant with the lobster case is that a BT is used to having eaten it his whole life.”
The statement didn’t seem to indicate a concern that the BT might accidentally eat lobster because he was used to doing it his whole life. It implied that the BT would be in danger of being overcome by a yetzer to eat it if he merely smelled it.
DaMoshe,
I really like these thoughts, thank you for sharing them!
DovidBT,
“A BT who’s eaten lobster has made a conscious decision to stop eating it”
Thank you for stating this. I felt that the original comment was quite demeaning to BTs.
Takes2-2tango,
“The original question still remains even with all the bans in place
How can one trust ones self.
For example:
Your out in idaho on a business trip and you have no kosher food,how can you trust yourself from not walking into wendys?
Or your in bed and your very tired, how can you trust yourself not to miss zman krias shma?
What kinda bans according to u are out there? So my question still isnt answered . Why are we only concerned about yrusting ourselves with intetnet?
Do we trust ourselves with loshon hora??”This is the fallacy of reductio ad absurdum, and I doubt you’re making a serious argument. But I’ll share my personal answers anyway.
1. Among the population who have and listen to rebbeim, there is not a widespread eating at Wendy’s problem. So making blanket gedarim for Wendy’s is superfluous, though as DY pointed out, if an individual has an unusually strong taiva, he should not even go anywhere near the restaurant. In contrast, there is a widespread misuse of smartphones/internet problem.
2. There are actually halachos in place because we don’t trust ourselves to remember to daven/say shema. For example, if it is time to daven maariv, one should daven before eating the evening meal to avoid forgetting, getting tired, and going to bed. At the end of the day though, the spiritual dangers involved with smartphones are worse than accidentally forgetting maariv because you couldn’t stay awake. As far as oversleeping past the zman in the morning, it’s again not a widespread problem, but if one does have trouble getting up, he should for sure not trust himself and set an alarm clock. Changes to his sleeping habits if possible, or even a trip to the doctor might be in order.
3. As others have written already earlier in the thread, we are concerned with trusting ourselves or having accidents in many different situations, hence hilchos yichud, hilchos nidda, much of hilchos kashrus, the time we stop eating chometz on erev Pesach, etc. etc. Your assertion that it is just the internet we worry about is spurious.
4. No, we certainly don’t trust ourselves with lashon hara! Hence the laws against avak lashon hara, living in a place where lashon hara is rampant, hearing others speak it, etc.
zahavasdad,
“Driving in many frum jewish neighborhoods I see fancy Chanderliers and fancy Italian furniture”
1. Ornate home decor is not “hip”, and in fact may be the opposite. The statement such items make is, “I am wealthy”, which may have its own faults, but is not the same.
2. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to be looking into other people’s houses, particularly when driving. It might make people feel uncomfortable, and it might cause you to sideswipe a parked car.
“My issue with hemish foods is not the foods themselves”
The rather graphic descriptions you give to some heimish foods indicates otherwise.
“but rather the way people treat it , Like its holy or something, There is a book Ive quoted before which says one should eat Chulent for melava Malka instead of Pizza because there is something special about Chulent . If you want to eat Pizza for Melava Melka, enjoy yourself”
1. Don’t hold the frum community as a whole responsible for something you read in a book somewhere.
2. The point may not have been heimish food vs. non-heimish per se, but rather the idea that just as we consume “special” foods on Shabbos, perhaps we should do the same for the melave malka. If sushi is your idea of a special Shabbos food, then have that for the melave malka. Pizza is more akin to fast food, weekday food. My grandfather didn’t even consider it fit for a regular meal – he saw it as a dessert. This may be where the author of your book is coming from.
3. Holy may be taking things a step too far, but given that human beings are social creatures, culture will always have an impact. And like it or not, “heimish” foods are a part of the tapestry of frum culture, and thus do have some significance. That’s why they’re called “heimish” in the first place.
“or someone posted something before that Gefiltle had the Ta’am of Shabbos while Sushi was just fancy fish.”
A million times more than my comment about the book: Don’t hold the frum community as a whole responsible for something you’ve read on the CR.
“The only reason Gefile might remind anyone of Shabbos because people rarely eat it during the week and people rarely eat Sushi on Shabbos (It doesnt refrigerate well, otherwise Id use it ). If people would eat Sushi on Shabbos, then it would have the Ta’am of Shabbos.”
You just explained why gefilte fish is culturally regarded as a Shabbos food while sushi is not better than I could. Gefilte fish, probably because it’s prepared such that one doesn’t have to remove bones, is culturally associated with Shabbos. Sushi, which spoils quickly, tends to be less frequently seen on Shabbos. So what’s the big deal?
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“I like your point, but davening with Yitzchok Yair would in no way prepare you for these situations. It only has the shir shel yom after musaf and only has bameh madlikin before maariv.”
That is true for the shir shel yom (I thought there was a note, but checked and it is not so), but by bameh madlikin there is a Gadolhadorah kavanna-destroying note at the top of the page that some are noheig to say it after maariv.
Gadolhadorah,
If spreading the word about healthy eating is your true goal, what is the purpose of your fixation with the highly processed meat substitute tofu in the face of very little agreement that it is a good substitute for meat? Why not promote eating a variety of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables?
zahavasdad,
“Food is a personal choice, I just gave my opinion”
Yes, I understand that, but it astonishes me (not really, but I like the word choice you made) that you are polite with regard to tofu, stating that although you are “not a fan”, that those who like it have a right to their opinion, but by culturally Jewish foods, you are much more impolite in your description and intolerant of opposing opinions.
zahavasdad,
“Exactly how Sushi is related to Smartphones is beyond me”
I think the opposition to sushi is not because it was a food that our ancestors didn’t eat, but because it’s a symbol of secular hipster “foodie” culture, which some feel is not good for spiritual growth. Personally I think sushi is common enough nowadays (most grocery stores carry pre-made packages of it – certainly not “hip”) that it doesn’t really make a cultural statement anymore.
zahavasdad,
“frankly it astonishes me that there are people who think some minced cheap fish dish that is served in cut up roll is better than Sushi”
“Food is a very personal choice, just because you like or dont like something doesnt mean other people feel the same way” -zahavasdad
lesschumras,
“on days like this past rosh chodesh, i like davening from the siddur on my phone. Why? Because it’s intuitive a nd eliminates searching and skipping”
And best of all, even on do-not-disturb mode, the app notifications keep appearing at the top of the page, so we don’t have to let our shemoneh esrei stop us from seeing the latest text or email that comes in.
litvishechossid,
“Everyone knows that there are tefillos that are designated for certain holidays. Besides it usually says what the Tefilla is for and you dont need to skip pages in order to skip that paragraph. Its different than having something printed that you dont say at all.”
My question was more directed at Gadolhadorah’s assertion that inclusion of different customs disturbed her kavannah. Perhaps she has experience with siddurim that are completely cluttered with multiple versions of each tefilla, at which point I can maybe understand her point. But I personally have not seen many siddurim like that. The typical Artscroll siddur, for example, has just a few places with variations. A siddur that tries to work for communities in both E”Y and Ch”L may have a few more, but the amount of space and skipping involved with these variations is far less than what is required to address the variations based on time of year within a single custom. What I am curious about is the sense that, based on her wording, the disruption to her kavannah is due to hashkafic reasons rather than visual.
“If you know other minhagim does that mean when you come across a nusach other than your own then you will suddenly say different tefillos since you “practiced” by seeing them in your siddur and skipping them until the time is right?”
No, not what I meant at all. Here’s some examples: On Friday nights, my custom is to say the 2nd chapter of mishnayos Shabbos right after saying “Mizmor shir l’yom haShabbos” and “Hashem malach geius laveish” and a mourners kaddish, but I have davened in other shuls where it is said at a different time. I say the psalm for the day of the week after mussaf on Shabbos and Yom Tov, but I have been to shuls where it is said after shacharis. Knowing that these are possibilities reduces that moment of, “what on earth??” when I encounter such a variation.
Gadolhadorah,
If you’re avoiding meat for health reasons, you might not be doing yourself favors with tofu. Tofu is made from processed soybeans, which aren’t very healthy. A lentil soup in the crock pot would supply an excellent amount of plant based protein.
Neville ChaimBerlin,
“Yes and no. If you had a family custom to use a certain Siddur and say exactly every word of its print, that would certainly be more desirable than one that includes verses you just have to know to skip.”
As I said before, even if you have a siddur that fits your customs like a glove, you’ll still have to skip things like shir hamaalos before shema when it’s not the aseres yemei tshuva, hakeil hakadosh vs hamelech hakadosh, yaalei v’yavo, al hanissim, long tachanun when it’s not Monday or Thursday, etc. One cannot escape skipping/flipping completely, so one has to work out coping mechanisms to maintain kavanna. Usually that’s accomplished through using the same siddur daily and becoming extremely familiar with it. So while having a siddur that matches your personal nusach exactly is better than one that does not to some degree, it seems like a small potato to me in the bigger picture, and I was curious as to why it tops Gadolhadorah’s list. That she used the phrase “hashkafa” rather than nusach or custom to describe the differences was also curious.
“It would make it easier to teach your kids your family Nusach also, rather than having to say “we don’t say this, we do say this, etc.””
I can counter-argue that it’s beneficial for a child to know that there are different customs, and to be told which one is his or hers. That way when s/he encounters variations, s/he is not confused. If a child can be expected to learn to skip over yaalei v’yavo when it’s not Rosh Chodesh or Chol Hamoed, certainly s/he can learn to skip or say the parentheticals in “b’rich shmei” before leining or aleinu at the end of davening.
Gadolhadorah,
“having too many choices offered by the siddur when davening is really hard on my kavanah”
I personally daven for the most part from the Artscroll “Yitzchak Yair” siddur, which I imagine is one of the types you are criticizing. In my experience, the variants in community nusach that are included as parentheticals/gray highlights are much less prevalent than the seasonal variants, e.g., yaalei v’yavo for Rosh Chodesh/Y”T, Al Hanissim for Chanuka/Purim, etc. I can’t imagine that you would want a siddur without these additions, and I’m sure with daily use your eyes can find and follow the flow of the tefilla even when these blocks are skipped. Why is it different or more difficult with the few other additions based on community?
Shopping613,
I completely agree with you that there is no way for anyone to know another person’s cheshbonos and challenges, regardless of background. I must point out, however, that there is no comparison between cousins, uncles and nephews, or even grandparents and grandchildren, to parents and children. Everyone will have to refuse or explain something awkward to his non-frum relative or neighbor at some point, but that is very different from a son, anguished but knowing it must be done, having to comfort his weeping mother who realizes that he cannot come to her home for Pesach sedarim anymore.
TGIShabbos,
“Many shidduch offerings were not ‘religious enough’ for them, but were somehow suitable for other FFB yeshivish guys who became engaged. Disposing ALL of their colored dress shirts (I didn’t need to go shopping those years). Not wanting to EVER return back to their non-religious home, although they said their parents were respectful and accommodating- “
It’s possible that these behaviors were expressions of religious fervor, but more likely they came from a place of immaturity. Turning down shidduchim could indicate a fear of commitment, for example, and the rejection of their parents despite accommodation could have simply been teenage rebelliousness. Building a healthy frum lifestyle requires a solid foundation: faith in Hashem and recognition of the Torah as truth, a clear plan for spiritual and religious growth, and a rabbi as a mentor and posek.
Avi K,
“1.”Yid” in English is a pejorative. Archie Bunker used it.”
So is “Jew”. And so what? This is not the real reason you have a problem with people using Yiddish; it’s just a deflection.
“2. Someone who wears peyot and tzitziot outside as an expression of pride rather than for halachic reasons has a problem.”
I disagree. Pride is not the best reason to wear peyos and tzitzis out, but if someone is going to feel proud of something, why not be proud of his Yiddishkeit?
“He has turned them into fashion symbols, like wearing a magen David.”
No, he is simply a person using dress as self-identification. Hashem requires us to wear tzitzis and to not destroy the corners of our beards. These are halachic parameters on our fashion, and there’s nothing wrong with using them to self-identify as a Jew, or even more specifically, a chassid, Yeshivish, etc. Don’t kid yourself, a kippa sruga is no less a fashion statement than long peyos, especially inside the Jewish world.
Joseph,
“What to one person’s shitta is beyond the minimum, to another person’s shitta isn’t even the bare minimum.”
Understood. Given that the OP asked whether or not to wear the peyos out front or long tzitzis in a work situation, and also refers to these hiddurim as expressions of pride (rather than, say, obligation), I don’t think this is the case here.
huju,
“Peyos and tzisis are not expressions of “Jewish pride.” They are fulfillments of mitzvos. Period. And “Jewish pride” is an egregious, misplaced emotion. Tznius is about humility, not “Jewish pride.””
The OP is not talking about just having peyos and tzitzis, but the very public display of them and going beyond the minimum (e.g., long tzitzis, long curly peyos) in a place where that is not common. Also, what do peyos and tzitzis have to do with tznius?
Avi K,
“As for working only with and for YEHUDIM (let the creole German rest in peace), make aliya.”
Because there certainly is no prejudice against people wearing Chareidi garb in the Israeli workforce…
Exhibit A: You can’t even tolerate a single word of Yiddish. Doesn’t bode well for cultural acceptance.
Avi K,
Have you ever received any help from your parents or others? If so, then get off your haughty perch. Nothing in zahavasdad’s story indicates that the husband and wife are not working. Financial independence is important, but nobody starts out financially independent, and you cannot simply flip a switch to get it. It takes hard work and time.
mik5,
It seems like you already have some opinions on this: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/how-to-remain-a-ben-torah-after-leaving-kollel/#post-1329039
As far as how to dress when being reprimanded, I think one should dress just as he does every day at the office. Accept responsibility and apologize where appropriate, and be prepared with a plan of action to remedy the situation and prevent future occurrences.
RebYidd23,
That’s beginning to blur the boundaries between knish and kreplach, and I think that’s forbidden by the Torah.
They taste different to me. Round knishes are more like mashed potatoes with a crust. And they can get filled with things like beef, or broccoli. Square knishes are crispier, and usually not adulterated.
Meno,
Square or round ones?
“1. cant eat gebructs”
Has Celiac disease, got it.
“2. he has to take his plate into the kitchen to clean them after the friday night seudah.”
Ability to turn 1 plate into more than one, in other words clumsy, got it.
“3. he has to wear his hat and jacket”
Not a clothing thief, got it.
“4. he must know shas”
Know, or know of?
“5. his tatty must be rich”
His father is happy with what he has, got it.
“6. his name has to be either moishe or yanky.”
But he can’t have both of those names, got it.
DovidBT,
What if it had been raining?
In CTLAWYER’s town, rain only falls at night, when nobody is out driving. This was enacted by a town ordinance back in 1978.
DaasYochid,
Tell me, do you happen to post under any other screennames? How many times has the YWN admin needed to Ctrl Alt Del to restart his server because of your ubiquitous posts adding your 2scents everywhere? Be a mentch1, Uncle Ben, and give Health (or should I say Meno??) my regards.
Little Froggie, I mean, Avram in MD.
PS – the biggest risk from eating contests is choking