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Always_Ask_Questions,
“I personally was involved in a couple of competitive intellectual pursuits over years, so I know what I don’t know reasonably well.”
I’m not sure you are getting the point of why it’s important to ask a shaila regarding skipping kaddishes. This isn’t about how much you know. You may well know of opinions that allow skipping things in davening, but if you really felt sure about the ground you stood on, you wouldn’t be writing things like the gabbai sees me do it but doesn’t object – that’s rationalizing. In fact it’s even worse, because you’re essentially relying on a gabbai who doesn’t even know he’s being silently asked a shaila for your psak rather than directly asking a rav. When you paskened skipping kaddishes for yourself, you did what you thought best and followed your own will. Our goal as Jews is to follow Hashem’s will. We put Him in the driver’s seat, not drive ourselves and hope He came along for the ride because the gabbai didn’t object. And the best way to do that is to ask a shaila of a rav who is not nogeia b’davar. Asking shailos isn’t always because you “don’t know.”
Little Froggie,
“Interestingly, their battle cry used to be “Global Warming”. When faced with an many an occasional “global cooling” (like today), they changed their anthem.. now it’s climate change.”
You’re mixing up your mocking. The line is supposed to be, “back in the 1970s it was global cooling, then it became global warming, and now it’s climate change.” But I have a few questions. Who are they that have a battle cry? And who’s heading up the department of semantics on what to call it? Climate scientists still frequently use the term AGW (anthropogenic global warming), so somebody’s gotta get them on the right page.
“Like years ago the climate didn’t change.”
Of course it did and does, with both harmful and beneficial impacts to the inhabitants of this world. Does this mean we shouldn’t optimize how we adapt to it? Or investigate whether we are one of the factors that cause changes in the climate system? And how we can maximize the benefits and minimize the hazards?
Reb Eliezer,
We generally want ozone to be up in the statosphere, because when it’s at ground level, we find it rather unpleasant and issue air quality alerts for it.
WolfishMusings,
“So, I’ve been wondering if I am guilty of wasting people’s time and, if so, what can I do about it?”
A few of my thoughts:
1. When mispallelim come to shul to daven, the expectation is that kaddishes will be said, hence the brief awkward silences that occur before people realize nobody is saying kaddish and they move on. Since people have already mentally given this time to kaddish, it cannot be a waste, and you are actually preventing awkwardness by saying it.
2. I heard someone recently ask a rav a related shaila at a late maariv – the man noticed that at the shacharis and mincha minyanim, there was a fellow who would say kaddish after aleinu if there were no mourners present. He himself didn’t have a chiyuv to say kaddish but felt drawn to doing so and was wondering if it was appropriate for him to so something like that at maariv. The rav said (in a simplified retelling) that it is considered a good thing to end the davening with a kaddish, and the man was welcome to say kaddish at the end of maariv if he wanted to. And so he has ever since. So adding kaddishes enhances the tefilla b’tzibbur, certainly not a waste of time.
3. As others have pointed out, there is tremendous spiritual benefit to answer amein to a kaddish. So your question is kind of like asking, “at the end of davening I take a bag of gold coins and toss a few of them to each of the mispallelim. Am I wasting their time?”
4. I think you are well aware of #3, so is your OP meant as a subtle criticism of how people trivialize davening (e.g., that sense of relief that ripples through the room when the shaliach tzibbur starts kaddish right after chazaras hashas signaling no long tachanun)? Or is it a setup for another of your “I’m a rasha” threads?
“i guess we should send our kids to public school”
Survivor bias.
Yserbius123,
“You can, if you want to. But it basically means getting off the Internet entirely. Most non-Google websites use Amazon Web Services to some extent. And online retailers take advantage of Amazon’s infrastructure.”
Which suggests that while not a Free Speech issue, Amazon’s control of the Internet may be an Antitrust issue.
ujm,
“The world was created for the use of it by humanity.
Chop down those trees.”
Agreed – but do you think we have a responsibility to use the world in as smart a way as our knowledge makes possible in order to maximize the benefit to humanity?
PaperBridge,
” I do not believe that Jewish people are more disposed to this ridiculous belief than other people, and I find it incredible that you might think from what I wrote that I do. I am addressing the belief because it was explicitly stated by an individual person to whom I am replying.”
Nah, you are not. The OP didn’t “explicitly” state that s/he doesn’t care about humanity, or refrains from “mixing” with others, or anything about tolerance, art science, whatever. Nor did s/he say s/he was yeshivish, loved money, or anything about fancy eyeglasses. All of those things you dreamed up from your own prejudices and projected them onto the OP.
PaperBridge,
“Better just to love money and maybe also fashion eyeglasses which are very yeshivish”
Antisemite much?
charliehall,
“Can you answer why any religious person could ever support a rasha like Trump?”
I’m not sure if this is a rhetorical question intended to shame Jews who don’t think like you or if you actually want an answer. I have a fairly detailed perspective on this if you are willing to listen and discuss instead of debate and berate. I am disgusted with politics in general, so while I do have strong opinions on various issues, I do not see myself as a partisan.
“I strongly support cancel culture and every Jew should. Just yesterday I publicly called for the cancellation of David Duke, Tamika Mallory, Louis Farrakhan, and Linda Sarsour. If you disagree you might want to look at your priorities”
Lol, everyone would indeed strongly support cancel culture if they got to be the ones doing the cancelling, and could cancel just those people with opinions they despise. The problem is, Linda Sarsour is much more likely to be the decider of what to cancel than you are. Remember that you teach in a Jewish university.
Yserbius123,
“you are pulling the same old schtick of ignoring my main point to focus on some narische technical inaccuracies. Fine I was wrong about Eretz Yisroel. Nu, what about the vaccination program?”
It’s one thing to not read what others write, but do you not even read what you yourself write? Your post had the following structure:
1.) Assertion
3.) Real life example to back up your assertionI then shared a link to a story apparently contradicting your real-life example. I thought maybe you’d say the story was wrong and back that up with information you had seen. Maybe the story was describing conditions a couple of weeks ago and things have improved since and you could show me that. But it seems that you just made up your real-life example because it sounded good, and you dropped it like a hot potato the minute it was contracticted. Narische technical inaccuracy? Eretz Yisroel was your key supporting statement! How can anyone trust your main point when you undercut it with inaccurate proofs? If a rocket engineer points a rocket downward instead of upward on the launchpad and it then explodes in a giant fireball, was that a technical inaccuracy as well, and we should ignore it to praise the engineer for making such a beautiful rocket?
Yserbius123,
“For the first time in weeks, the strain on the hospitals is easing up”
Israeli Hospitals Collapsing: “Soon We’ll Have To Decide Who Will Live & Who Will Die”
charliehall,
Apologies from this gnat who deserves no medical whatsoever care because he dares ask questions regarding the Great Priests of capital-S Science and their multi-billion dollar industry of holy sacraments for the imposition to your time.
“So say the results from two huge randomized clinical trials”
כה אמר המדענים, should we read these papers with the trop used for leining the Torah, or the Haftarah?
“Basically, if you don’t accept their results you should never ever waste your time going to see any doctor for anything”
There’s a difference between not accepting the results of a trial, and questioning whether the right questions were asked in the first place, or whether enough time has elapsed to get the answers. And given how science is fundamentally based on asking questions, it’s amazing how medical scientists and doctors in particular get really angry and bothered by questions. My field endures more questions and gets less respect overall than medical science, and deals with implications that are just as big as medicine, yet I don’t get angry when people question and doubt findings, even when those questions and doubts come from a lack of knowledge. Many times through listening I find that it’s not the science that they are rejecting, but the policies advocated in response to those findings. And those discussions are both valuable and productive.
“because you do not believe in modern medical science”
Since when does “science” ask for our belief? If you set up Science as a new religion, is it any wonder that religious Jews resist conversion to it?
“I have not seen any medical treatment that has been shown to be so effective, with so few serious adverse events, ever in my career”
Amazing what can be done when trials are designed from the outset to succeed.
rightwriter,
Regarding what nefarious things you think ubiquitin is thinking, you made it up and it just makes your posts look rude.
Regarding asking someone else to delete the messages you sent them, you have a right to politely ask once, and they have a right to say no. And you have a right to no longer send them personal messages if you think they are not being respectful of your private communications to them. Everything that is sent to someone else electronically should be assumed to be potentially permanently available, and there isn’t much of anything we can do about it. Adjust accordingly.
Did you know that with Signal you can send messages that delete automatically from the recipient’s device after a period of time following the recipient reading it?
charliehall,
“denied boarding an airplane because he got put on the no-fly list after being part of the murderous mob that stormed the US Capitol”
Apparently the video was of a passenger removed from a flight for refusing to wear a mask. Someone on the FBI’s no-fly list would likely be unable to get a boarding pass, much less reach the gate. Perhaps social media isn’t the best place to be getting our news 🙂
ubiquitin,
“In addition to the 4 Rosh Hashanas you reference In September, I wish hatzlacha to the new year in school. I and they consider September to be the start of a new school year Ialways wish them success on the new year in September, or Elul as the case may be. Is this allowed?”
You are ignoring context to quibble with Little Froggie over semantics. The school year legitimately and appropriately affects us, and is clearly an arbitrary date set for convenience by school systems. The medical school year is just another type of school year. Fiscal and tax years affect us too, and are purely secular, though it’s a bit strange to wish people happy fiscal new years. But how should the non-Jewish religious observance of New Years Day affect us as Jews?
You may ask why then did LF have to bring in the other new years listed in the mishna, but I believe he did so because all of those new years are religious in nature, as is New Years Day.
Yserbius123,
“What about wearing a mask for 15 minutes to an hour at a time and taking it off for breaks in secluded corners when there are no people around?”
Sounds like good ideas to me.
“There were some people who felt too uncomfortable, so they would walk outside for a few minutes.”
Why didn’t you say this before?
“Which is why the whole “debate” baffles and angers me, I really can’t understand why there are still so many people ignoring COVID-19 restrictions.”
I think the issues are far more complex than, “I feel uncomfortable” for many people, so assuming it’s all about discomfort or difficulty may make it hard to understand where others are coming from, which makes it hard to reach them.
Yserbius123,
“May I re-iterate my suggestion to read Rabbi Shafran’s article before going veiter? He basically says the same things that I said in the same tone that got me accusations of being “disrespectful” or “hateful”.”
In his column, Rabbi Shafran mostly discussed his own personal experiences and journey, and he respectful exhorted people to try wearing the masks and getting used to them. He didn’t cast aspersions on anyone or write in a highly dismissive and angry manner.
Yserbius123,
“Let’s take a step back. Do you personally think that masks are dangerous to wear or not?”
For the majority of people when worn for relatively short periods of time? No. They do cause us to work harder to breathe, which again for most people over short duration is doable, but may be more problematic for extended periods of time or for people with other difficulties. I feel they also generate more face touching due to pulling on or adjusting the mask, and it is a challenge to keep them sanitary.
“Do you think that most people who don’t wear masks do so because they are physically incapable of wearing one or because they are uncomfortable?”
I think the reasons some people do not wear masks or resist wearing them are complex and differ from person to person.
MadeAliyah,
“Probably not, forcing someone to do something TO HIMSELF to make you feel good is a form of bulling.”
Yserbius123 is not arguing for people to wear masks in order to assuage others’ fears or make them feel good, he is arguing that it helps protect others’ health.
Yserbius123,
“When asked for the reasons why people don’t wear masks, we keep getting back to “it’s difficult for a lot of people”. NU? And that’s a reason?”
I have not answered that question in this thread, and that wouldn’t be my answer to that question.
“@Avrum-in-MD claims (contrary to a scientific study that he himself linked to) that masks lower oxygen intake and increase CO2.”
There must be some other Avrum in MD on this thread whose posts are inexplicably invisible to me, because I never said any such thing.
“And you have defended both of them and said that “it’s not right” that we should argue.”
Argue all you want; this is an extremely important issue for almost everyone in the world right now. I’m just pointing out that if you want to claim the mantle of Science and Logic and Rightness, you should not be misinterpreting, twisting, fabricating, or twisting logic yourself. And further than that, if you desire to change minds rather than just scream into the void at your perceived enemies, you have to understand where your audience is coming from.
Yserbius123,
“I was taking @daas-yochid s story to the logical place”
No, you made up your own story that was different from DaasYochid’s and then made a wild extrapolation from that made up story. Logic isn’t even in the same galaxy.
“Because they didn’t stick a CO2 measurement device right in the guys face?”
Lol, if you actually read the study’s abstract or what I wrote about it, you’d see that they did indeed do that.
“I tried to have empathy. I really did. But I lost it maybe about six months ago. It may have been some time between when I first got asked “Are you makpid on masks?” and when I watched a live feed of a simcha where hundreds of people were dancing together without any concern for COVID. Or maybe it was the time when a Yeshiva Bachur broke the rules to attend a simcha and ended up putting several of his Rebbeim in the hospital.”
So you need to make a choice. Do you actually want to try and effect change, or do you just want to spew hatred like an out-of-control fire hose? Given your inability to read and understand what people have written here in this thread, I’m guessing you have failed to understand where people are coming from “in real life” as well. So perhaps the source of your frustration is not due to those around you.
“I would like to hear it. I would be interested to hear a single local doctor say to one of their long time patients “It’s better if you don’t wear a mask”.”
He feels the response to the pandemic is wildly disproportionate and has caused considerable collateral damage that was unnecessary, and does not require his patients to wear masks during visits. I don’t know how you define “local” doctor. He practices in my area, but he is not frum.
“In my community, there are basically four practices with frum doctors that people go to. And each one of those has been extremely loud and open that not enough people are wearing masks or following other COVID protocols.”
And the loudness in press releases and twits and fakebooks and the like is actually counterproductive in my opinion, because the community perceives that the yelling is meant more for gentile consumption. “Look at me! I’m embarrassed by my own community!” Really, has anyone anywhere ever said, “oh wow I changed my mind because somebody screamed at me on social media”?
Yserbius123,
“I’m referring to an old comment that @daas-yochid made in which he fabricated a story about Hatzalah”
You fabricated that comment and falsely attributed it to him. And it’s astonishing that you’re doubling down because what DaasYochid actually wrote is plain for everyone to read. And thus I start to doubt your intentions entirely.
“I don’t know what studies you’ve read”
I was referring to Raymond J Roberge, Aitor Coca, W Jon Williams, Jeffrey B Powell, Andrew J Palmiero: Physiological impact of the N95 filtering facepiece respirator on healthcare workers in the May 2010 edition of Respiratory Care, which is a study I’ve seen referenced in several articles regarding mask safety.
“Fakert, there are multiple studies that show zero physical adverse side effects from wearing a face mask, even for people with respiratory issues.”
Please share the citations.
“Which is why I’m extremely skeptical of anyone who talks about large swaths of people that cannot wear masks.”
If someone tells me that something is extremely difficult for them, I tend to believe them a lot more than someone who is blatantly lying and making stuff up on the internet.
“Sure there are those who have psychological issues, like panic attacks when wearing a mask, or people who have abnormally large or small facial features that make masks extremely uncomfortable.”
So you finally admit this, albeit bizarrely. Now take the next step into the world of empathy. Not necessarily to say that you’re fine if these people refrain from ever wearing masks, but at least to acknowledge that it’s a true challenge, and stop dismissively pontificating on how easy mask wearing is. If mask wearing is really so important to you, which I doubt, encourage people. Treat them like they’re doing something big and important, not trivial. Acknowledge the difficulties they have and offer sympathy and amelioration, not scorn. If you think people would benefit from finding just that right mask, then start a mask gemach that allows people to try on different types, and then give them 5 of the ones that work best. Things like that will go much further than internet bullying, though they may be less fun.
<blockquote”call up your doctor. Not some doctor you heard of on the Internet, but the physician you’ve trusted with your health since before COVID. And ask them if it’s better to wear or not to wear a mask.”
You’re probably not going to like my doctor’s opinion.Yserbius123,
“You literally invented a story about Hatzalah running amok because everyone was dying from wearing face masks.”
Before we continue this discussion, are you actually anti-facemask and trying to do a false-flag troll by making pro-mask arguments as odious and unproductive as possible? It’s almost like you are working from a playbook of what not to do to persuade others.
Yserbius123,
“We have to measure what the bigger danger is: wearing a mask or not wearing one.”
There’s no way to make accurate measurements if we can’t even be honest about what we are trying to measure.
“The people who physically or psychologically are unable to wear masks are very few, perhaps one out of 1000.”
Oooh, I can make up statistics too. That should be fun and constructive! Maybe I should just be grateful that you’re allowing 1 in a thousand. Earlier in the thread you were at zero.
“The majority of those who claim they can’t wear masks, simply haven’t found one that they feel comfortable in and don’t see a pressing need to wear one.”
And on what do you base this assumption?
“So it’s a question of forcing that tiny minority of people who can’t wear masks to be stuck inside until the pandemic is over, or forcing elderly, immune compromised, and other sick people inside until the pandemic is over. Unfortunately, we have to inconvenience the minority (people who can’t wear a mask) so that the majority (elderly etc.) won’t be inconvenienced.”
False dilemma.
“And no. Scientists have yet to find a situation where a fabric face mask has restricted someone’s oxygen. It’s literally never happened. CO2 and O2 can pass through the fabric of an N95 mask no problem.”
If you’re referring to the study I think you are referring to, there was pretty much no oxygen depletion measured in the blood, a bit of increased CO2 that was still within OSHA standards, but the measurements of the air in the pocket between the mask and the face were well outside of OSHA standards for both low oxygen and high CO2. The study participants were healthy healthcare workers with proper training and fitting of the equipment. I have put a pulse oximeter on my own finger and sat on the couch for 20 minutes in a cloth mask. When breathing normally only, my O2 saturation gradually fell from 98/99 to 95. I could keep it up near 98/99 by frequently sighing, yawning, and tugging on the mask while inhaling. I have (usually) well controlled asthma, but wonder how easy it would be to keep up the O2 saturation if I were having a significant asthma episode (not that I’d be out and about at the grocery store with bad asthma – but what about someone who needs to go in for a breathing treatment?). Or someone with COPD, or congestive heart failure, or Covid, etc.
Yserbius123,
“Let’s get this straight: Wearing a mask is not a big deal.”
It may not be for you, but it is for others. And until you develop enough empathy to see that, you will have difficulty convincing them of the correctness of your position.
“It doesn’t restrict oxygen, nor increase CO2 levels.”
In some situations, it can.
“It doesn’t make it hard for people to hear you,”
Blatantly false. Widespread mask use has significantly exacerbated communication issues for people hard of hearing. Some masks with thicker layers do in fact block some sound, but a bigger issue is the inability to rely on lip reading and the facial components of ASL Many people with minor hearing loss who unconsciously rely on lip reading in louder settings have discovered their hearing loss issues due to this pandemic. Arguing that exacerbating hearing problems for some is necessary is perhaps a valid argument to make, but to dismiss the problem is heartless because then nobody will realize the need to mitigate such problems, and it undermines the validity of your argument.
Gadolhadorah,
“I think Charlie was referencing the idiot allegedly trying to hold up the shipments of vaccines already contractually obligated, not any of our posters.”
While that was a nice attempt at a limmud zechus and pivot, his insult was clearly directed at the poster he was quoting.
charliehall,
“Idiot.”
Wow, don’t you think the petty name calling is beneath you?
Reb Eliezer,
“I call myself Reb Eliezer to encourage respect to the elderly”
There’s a story of Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT”L (I think I read it in the Artscroll biography) where he was walking down a street, and a man drove by and called out “Hey Moshe, come here!” to his young son who was also on the street. Rav Moshe walked over to the car, greeted the man, and asked what the man wanted. The driver was floored, and said that he would never refer to the Rav by his first name, or make him walk over to the car. Rav Moshe was completely nonchalant and assumed the man was calling him over!
CTLAWYER,
“My chart says that I am to be addressed as Mister Y”
Explicitly in a section for nickname/preferred name? Then yes the receptionist made a mistake, but a pretty small one in the grand scheme of things. If it’s not explicit, then that’s on the office manager or whoever set up your chart, not the receptionist who called you back.
“I was the only patient in the waiting room, so no other was delayed.”
Then why would the receptionist call out a name three more times to a room empty except for you who didn’t answer the first time? And even if nobody was actively there at the moment, your appointment got off to an unnecessarily later start, which does impact those coming after you.
“The employee deserved a dressing down, it took place in the office, perhaps the office manager should not have been so loud, or maybe the office manager wanted me to hear this.
I had complained about this to the office manager in the past.”No she didn’t. A simple response of “Mr Y is here and ready to go back” along with a smile in response to her “Is X here?” would have politely and clearly gotten the point across. You didn’t score a win for politeness in the world; all you got was a receptionist and office manager who don’t like you so much.
CTLAWYER,
“Last Tuesday morning I had a Doctor’s appointment. A twenty something female came into the waiting room and called out my first name. I ignored her, After 4 attempts, she went back into the office and told the manager that Mister Y isn’t here.”
I agree with you regarding younger people referring to their elders by title or a more formal name. That is how I was raised, and I remember feeling uncomfortable when friends’ parents would invite me to call them by their first names, and I would continue to call them Mr or Mrs So-and-so. In this case, however, I feel your response to the receptionist was rather ungracious. She may well have been trained to use first names to develop a rapport with patients in order to help them feel at ease. She certainly intended no disrespect and was simply trying to do her job. Even if it was rude, two rudes do not make a polite, and forcing her to make four attempts to get you back into the exam room made everyone’s wait to be seen longer. And it garnered her a public reprimand which may have soured her day. If what you are called is that important to you, make sure it is on your chart and politely point it out if it is missed.
Yserbius123,
“All of this fails to answer this big question originally posed: Why are you so opposed to people wearing masks?”
I’m more opposed to social media bullies masquerading as do-gooders, attacking large segments of the frum community.
“But that’s all we need to get COVID-19 to go from an above 2 transmission rate to below 1. Keep it like that for a few months, and we can all get back to our normal lives.”
Not true. It’ll just come roaring right back.
Yserbius123,
“Don’t be ridiculous. Obviously it was at reduced capacity in accordance with the health guidelines. I think there were 50 people when the shul held 250.”
Not ridiculous at all. You said full. And in a previous thread you overstated the effectiveness of masks, implying that if everyone masks, we could socialize normally. See: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/covid-confusion#post-1907225
“It’s mostly transmitted by large droplets. Aerosol transmission isn’t nearly as common. Sure it’s possible, but still a low enough chance to risk it.”
You speak with more certainty here than is warranted. If transmission is mostly by large droplets, then why all the concern over asymptomatic people who are not coughing or sneezing?
“Read our follow up conversation. There are very very few people who have such difficulty with masks that they cannot wear them. Those people should stay away from others.”
Yeah there are very few when you systematically deny that such people exist. And now you are trying to move the goalposts. This was not your argument above. And it is not always possible for “those people” to stay away from others.
“If I have a question in halacha, I ask a Rov and don’t question his reasoning.”
You shouldn’t reject the psak given, but it is completely appropriate when asking a shaila to (respectfully!) question the reasoning to make sure the rav is aware of all of the facts and considerations before rendering the psak. And in some cases for the purposes of learning you can inquire about the reasoning behind the psak.
Yserbius123,
“A single person being uncomfortable is a small price to pay to potentially protect others from a dangerous virus.”
DaasYochid didn’t say uncomfortable. He said hatzolah almost was called on Yom Kippur. That’s a bit more than uncomfortable. Your arguments lose potency when you distort information you are given to suit your points rather than dealing with it head on.
“Can we acknowledge that this is a conversation about wearing masks to protect others? A mask only offers a small protection from getting a virus. But it offers a huge protection to other people if the mask wearer would Chas v’Shalom be infected.”
No, I don’t acknowledge this. The level of protection given by a mask for the wearer or others around the wearer is largely unknown, especially in non-clinical settings. These issues are complex, and your attempts to oversimplify them hurts trust in your larger arguments.
Yserbius123,
“I watched a room full of people, (including children as young as ten!) daven on Yom Kippur and wear a mask the entire ten hours they were in shul!”
A room full of people when regulations in most states require reduced capacity indoors? How were you ok with that? Also, if the virus is transmitted via aerosols and not just large droplets, the masks would’ve become useless by Yishtabach as breath escaping the increasingly saturated masks became well mixed into the room air.
The real muzzle is not the piece of cloth itself, but rather the Facebook and Twitter driven culture of bullying and shaming anyone who dares ask a question about anything deemed an ikkar emunah of the corporate sponsored religion of capital-S “science.”
Dear AriHaleviRosman,
“Why are you so opposed to wearing Face Masks in indoor minyanim and smachos during this pandemic?”
WHAAAT? How could you even breathe the words indoor minyan and simcha out into a world where Covid exists? You heinous MURDERER! How could you even think of stepping outside of your house? Preventing Covid is the one and only thing that matters in this world now. Stay home with your windows sealed shut, because that’s much, much more effective at preventing transmission than a stupid mask.
Slimshim1,
“It’s not just learning Torah.”
False dilemma – ujm didn’t say anything about favoring Torah over chessed, good middos, etc. That said, our Torah and our faith in Hashem is our lifeblood. It is what has kept us alive as a united nation full of chessed and good middos despite thousands of years of people trying to destroy us body and soul.
huju,
The OP didn’t say anything about leaving the U.S. Is your position that Jews should feel comfortable in America? If so, can you elaborate?
Amil Zola,
There’s a big difference between compassion and condescension disguised as compassion. Just sayin’.
Gadolhadorah,
“Inspections of several schools in the red zones which were operating showed that aside from the obvious lack of mask-wearing, desks were NOT spaced apart even 5 feet and that buildings with gas-fired forced air heating systems were Not using even MERV 13 air filters.”
The violation notices posted on YWN mainly state that children were heard inside. How are you privy to all of this additional information? Are you just assuming these things are so?