AviraDeArah

Ts, Hashem told us the purpose of creation very clearly. Goyim like to wax philosophically about it and ponder “mysteries”, and imagine in their olam hadimyon, all sorts of fantasies, many of which include alien civilizations far more advanced than ours. This is all from a materialism mindset.

Jews don’t float through life pondering the meaning lf existence and wondering if there are parallel dimensions and other universes where there are different versions of ourselves, or if somewhere some aliens are watching us, and what they might think of us.

This is all a godless worldview. Hashem created people to give them the Torah and through it to obtain olam haba/shlaimus. Aleph bais of yiddishkeit. That precludes alien civilization or bechirah creations who wouldn’t have a Torah. And there can’t be “another torah”, because that’s against the 13 ikkarim.

Ts, most of the orgs and sites you mention are a mixture of meshichist and non-meshichist. Aguch has tons of rabbis and shluchim who are meshichist. Kehos and merkos are basically the same org, run by rabbi krinsky, who has said at times that he’s not meshichist, but this has been disputed.

News sites run by chabad individuals hardly count for a “source”, and who knows what the beliefs are of the people who run collice, lr crownheigts.info? They’re just news outlets.

Gan yisroel is just the name of many, many chadorim – kinda like saying “bais yaakov”. It’s a meaningless umbrella term.

Shluchim – as mentioned, there are many messianic and even elohist shluchim.

Colel chabad writes on their pushka that they are “under the auspices of the lubavitcher rebbe” i know this because i donate to them quite often, they come and pick up my pushka every year or ao. they are giving tzedaka to aniyim in eretz yisroel and are very trustworthy, moreso than a lot of mailers i get. I give credit where kts due. I have no idea what the beliefs are of the people involved, only that they are reputable in terms of distributing tzedaka.

If you’re going by websites, there are hundreds if not thousands of meshichist websites made by individual “rabbis” and whatnot. Your list is just a couple of them and is very misleading.

What about 770? It was taken over by the tzfas group. You left that out.

Yabia, shu”a in that siman makes no mention of bnei torah one way or the other.

A koveah itim is an average jew. The term ben torah is a lofty title.

AAQ, is it bullying to say that if the rabbi of a young Israel shul thinks that halacha is kach vekach, and then you show him a teshuva from rav Moshe, does that constitute a machlokes between rabbi steven and rav moshe?

We all understand this idea to some extent. When it comes to fundamentals, we need to rely on the gedolei gedolim, the bearers of the mesorah, and not every qualified posek(like the tzitz eliezer) is in that category.

You’re right that that psak of the tzitz eliezer, who’s quoted a lot by the aforementioned nonchalant “Orthodox jews”, was extremely controversial. Maran Rav Moshe feinstein was in a totally different leafue than him, and not only did he say it is murder and prohibited in all cases, save for when the mother’s life is in jeopardy, but he denied the veracity of opinions to the contrary, saying that Hashem should forgive the achronim who wrote that it’s mutar in kach vekach circumstance.

This may not be easily palatable, but as someone who learns dibros moshe, I believe rav moshe was on the level of the early achronim. Besides rav akiva eiger, I’ve never seen anything like rav moshe, in depth, breadth, lomdus, rigor, comprehensiveness, everything. If rav moshe dismisses something as crucial as this, it is not to be taken lightly.

In any other area in halacha, would we say something is a “machlokes rav moshe and the tzitz eliezer”? They’re not in the same universe, as big of a talmid chacham as the tzitz eliezer was – he was, in fact, a big posek and wayyyy bigger than me and anyone else here, but nobody who knew both figures would compare them. The only people i would compare rav moshe with in his time were the chazon ish, brisker rov, tchebiner, satmar rov, and not many others.

It should also be pointed out that the Torah DOES mention you, me, and every other Jew. We all have a “letter” in the torah, as there are 600k jewish neshoma roots, and 600k letters (how that works is discussed a lot) in the Torah.

For a chabad chossid i expect you to know that

“our bubehs and zaydahs* would be infinitely more shocked at the actual discussion that frum jews are having about baby killing. They’d recoil in horror at the shattering of skulls, dismemberment and brutal torture that abortion often entails. And they would scream “murderer!” Without getting into any shailos if it’s *really* murder or not.

To avoid contradictions such as “if you traveled in the past you would already know” etc, theorists posit alternate timelines, but this is science fiction and I don’t think it’s oisge’halten in hashkofoh.

Yabia, i apologize, i thought you were criticizing people who learn the whole day who might not be familiar with tanach, but have great depth in sugyos

I will agree that chabad does it more than MO, but when pressed against the wall in flat out violations of halacha, it’s their go-to argument too.

Yabia – ask those boys for 5 shitos on how to learn ruba vechazakah ruba adif, sfaikoh deoraysoh lechumra, mamon hamazik, or any other sugya.

You won’t understand a word they’re saying.

But you know haman’s father’s name. Congratulations.

Kuvult, that’s exactly the OPs point; it should be newsworthy when people are “oae nachas ruach leyotzro”, when they fulfill the purpose of creation… Torah should be glorified lehagdil Torah ulha’adirah, at any and all opportunity.

The community section in newspapers should have pictures of “normal” sedorim in yeshivos, the whole year, because every day that Torah is learned it’s news! Most of the world, even most of the Jewish world, does not sit and sanctify their entire time for learning.

Sens; theres a shitah of the baal hamaor that it is hotzaah on shabbos, but i never heard of a shitah that says that we don’t wear them at all – source?

Yabia – it’s a machlokes. The gaon held it’s deoraysoh.

I think you mean they have to ask dag Torah

There’s a big machlokes about which garment materials are chayav deoraysoh in tzitzis. Everyone agrees cotton is chayav at least derabonon, but the gaon holds that it is deoraysoh, even though we have a klal of tzemer and pishton being the Torahs definition of ‘beged’.

The mishnah berurah says one should bring themselves into a chiyuv deoraysoh when possible, and recommends wearing wool.

Yerushalmis who follow the gaon wear cotton, and in bnei brak the chazon ish held it was a chumra de’asa lidei kula to davla wear wool, because since it’s very hot, the wearing of thicker wool garments might not be considered “malbush”, and so he wore cotton and so did rav chaim kanievsky.

Synthetic fibers are a shailoh if they’re chayav at all, i.ee mesh. It’s best to avoid mesh tzitzis altogether, unless they are made of cotton. Making a bracha is pushing it.

Comparing na nach to yechi is like comparing black hats to wearing crosses. Both are “cultural”, after all.

Na nach is nonsensical, but relatively harmless. It’s just saying his name while making pauses.

Yechi is a declaration of faith in the Messiahhood of a deceased rabbi, that he is alive forever, and according to some he is their creator.

The two couldn’t be any more different.

For the record, mainstream breslov looks at na nach as a cute thing that BTs with long hair and guitars are drawn to instead of eastern avodah zara chants. It’s harmless, both in meaning and intent

As the kids say, you seem very “triggered” for someone who professes not to care what others believe. Why then do you care what i believe about chabad?

Eleh mai, it’s beliefs that bother you that you’re concerned with, not ikarei emunah which you regard dispassionately and theoretically.

Perhaps you live with a theoretical conception of Hashem and never try to have a relationship with him; if you did, you might find that saying bad things about Him actually bothers you, no matter who’s saying it or why

I’ve seen it in one shul, and spoken with rabbis who say that they say it and have tried to justify it.

Adding something after davening is very controversial, especially when it’s a statement that a deceased rebbe is alive and is your king and messiah, and possibly creator.

Syag, i think my lesson is more that i shouldn’t skim articles to confirm my priors, not that I’m blinded by hate

Having animosity while liking some mitzvos only proves that their motivation is self-serving, and not to serve Hashem, because if one is serving Hashem, why love one thing He commanded and not like the other?

It’s like how feminist “Orthodox” women like some mitzvos that give them whatever spiritual feelings they want, but detest chazals teachings and some halachos that they are kofrim in and claim to be misogynistic r”l.

All it means is that they’re cherry picking for spirituality, not trying to love, fear and listen to G-d, but rather listen to their own whims and desires, whether they’re spiritual yearnings or physical.

Wow, i did miss the boat – my mistake

I wish davening to a rebbe was something we can laugh about, but if you’re lubavitch, how many stories have you heard of people in trouble saying “rebbe help me”, or even just thinking it, and people are miraculously helped(according to the stories)?

I’ve heard this said a lot, and I’m not just talking about tzfas extremist branches who took over 770. They talk to their departed rebbe and think that he not only hears them, but grants their supplication.

As for your “teitches” of the disturbing expressions mentioned above – how come nobody else talks like that? Why when we wish for the goyim to see that Hashem runs the world, do we not say “and they will all see that it’s rav chaim kanievsky who runs the world”? Shouldn’t we want the world to see that Hashem runs the world? Isn’t that more important than spreading awareness about the idea that a tzadik’s will is in sync with Hashem’s? (The plain meaning of tzadim gozer)

Finding favor…. I’m sorry, i don’t see your explanation fitting into what was said at the shluchim conference. If the lubavitcher rebbe was still alive, then someone saying that they want to please the rebbe because the rebbe knows what Hashem wants, so if he approves, it’s a sign that Hashem approves – alright, that’s a bit awkward but not hashkofically invalid. But the rebbe had long been gone at this conference – 20 years, so the lower people can’t know what pleases the rebbe, so why say “may it be pleasing” – once you’re getting into such aspirations…just say “may it be pleasing before Hashem” and ze hu.

Rather, what he meant was that he believes in doing mitzvos because the rebbe said to do them. Ask any chabad kid why they do such and such; you’ll hear some say “because the rebbe said so”. I saw this in a chabad children’s magazine a few years back, when they asked random kids why kiruv is important. It’s out there, and it’s poison.

They have their own, and we have ours; not saying one is more right than the other

I disagree about putting torah on YouTube; once people are there (and it CAN be filtered…i have a good filter and use it for how-to’s and whatnot) it’s not a big deal or a shtempel of approval to put torah on it, especially for kiruv.