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Oh that discussion….about eating food that has letters; very big difference – there the letters are connected to the food itself, so it’s derech achilah (still didn’t look up the DG”M, don’t know if he says this or another sevara)
Koreah is mutar for food purposes, as it has nothing to do with the melacha (namely, for sewing)
Cutting things like toilet paper isn’t koreah, but rather mechatech, a different problem when you want a certain amount of something. Tearing packages is not a problem of mechatech.
I have to look up the No”b you quoted; I’m not familiar with it
Reb e, i don’t think being mechaven for the tearing for a toeles means you’re mechaven for a toeles in the erasing
The go-to shabbos poskim, like shmiras shabbos kehilchasa, rabbi ribiat, rabbi simcha bunim cohen, etc…all say that you can’t tear letters, even though it’s mekalkel. Can anyone bring a source about rav moshe’s alleged heter? I haven’t seen it, and i think it would have been more commonly quoted if it were true.
Rav ovadia yosef holds it’s muttar entirely, and i know many sefardim who rely on this. For ashkenazim, I don’t know of any poskim who explicitly allow it.
Reb E – the minim weren’t agnostic. They believed in a creator, but made other serious errors, and were hostile to the Torah jews. They caused such damage that chazal made a bracha for them in birchas haminim.
The entire gemara is “nisht tzu farshtain” – Hashem created tumah; he isn’t affected by it, nor is he affected by anything else, because He is kulo pashut, as the rambam says.
Z – lumping together something that’s a joke with things that actually are serious averos is the definition of laitzonus, making light of something important. You should do teshuva.
As an aside, while rav yaakov emden holds that dogs are assur, there is definitely no issur with cats
Besides rav yaakov emden, i don’t think any other poskim hold that owning dogs is assur
Who’s talking about women blowing shofar? I was thinking that calling something that’s not a mitzvah by the name of the mitzvah, giving the impression that it’s a mitzvah,is adding to the Torah
Rso – while i don’t think the entire year is special, there is a certain significance to motzi shmitah, as chazal say it’s an opportune time for geulah.
As I said, we aren’t going there.
You’re right, it’s the bach – i got the names mixed up
I wonder why the lubavitcher rebbe would end off letters that way – it’s just writing more words. Why is signing a name and the omission thereof relevant to kesiva on cho”ham?
Menachem, the lubavitcher rebbe doesn’t seem to address the pro megadim, which is brought in the mishnah berurah. Do you think he argued with the pri megadim or was not aware of it?
Many poskim allow typing, if you’re not going to print, because it’s merely lighting up tiny light fixtures on a screen. I don’t see why adding “because of kedushas hamoed I’m not signing” – is there a source for omitting one’s name as a mitigating factor in kesiva in general? Isn’t it just more words that are being written? And like i said, lashon kodesh is, if anything, more of a shailoh, because everyone holds it’s writing deoraysoh (on shabbos and YT)
The pri megadim writes that there are three mitzvos which kavanah is crucial, since the Torah writes “lemaan” by them: sukkah, tefillin, and tzitzis, but I’m not referring to kavanah, I’m referring to doing something ad-hoc that resembles a mitzvah but isn’t the mitzvah itself.
I like artscroll’s “the laws of interpersonal relationships”
For general halacha, “shaarei halacha” came out many years ago in English, and it’s a masterpiece
Regarding the idea that “stop proselytizing” is sinas chinam – that would be true if the statement was made in a vacuum. It’s not. People say that(including me) because many in chabad believe that they must spread their torah – not “the” torah, but specifically their chasidus – for a jew to be complete, and for the geulah to come. Chabad are the only group who sends troops of their bochurim to other communities to educate them in their ways, multiple times a year. They show up in our yeshivos unannounced, open liquor without having the consent of the administration, and talk about theit chasidus. Does bobov, satmar, ger, vizhnitz, etc…go and proselytize? No!
Please do this on a different thread instead of taking this one in that direction.
Also, the rambam often gives taamei mitzvos. By the same logic, we should write shem Hashem and attach it to our arms all day, since tefilin is to awaken ahavah and awareness of Hashem, so if you can’t wear tefilin all day, why not do that?
As for what the lubavitcher rebbe calls hakhel…is there a question of bal tosif to call a minhag by the name of a mitzvah deoraysoh when that mitzvah is not applicable?
Menachem, if you hold virtual writing is kesiva, and therefore assur, why does leaving your name out and writing Hebrew letters make a difference? I would think it’s the opposite, because some rishonim hold that the only kesiva that’s assur med’oraysoh on shabbos/YT is lashon kodesh, and all other languages are mederabonon….so i think you’re making the shailoh worse by writing Hebrew and not English if you’re going to address the opinions that hold that virtual writing is assur
Aaq, stories that have a message or torah value are not devorim batailim, sichas chulin, etc… they’re mussar and they’re a mitzvah (not to replace Torah if it can be learned during that time)
Go – i agree 100%, but if people are holding by reading those things, there are different levels of how bad the content is. Also, it might be allowed for an am haaretz, as shu”a says that on shabbos an am haaretz may speak about devorim betailim because it’s oneg shabbos for him.
Me as well, if i ever offended anyone, i would like you to be mochel me
I suppose the beis halevi just didn’t know about the crusades or tach vetat – oh well. Such chutzpah is exactly what’s under discussion here.
And to conclude from the Holocaust that people were spared because they didn’t follow the gedolim? The chazon ish said that such people are apikorsim (maaseh ish)
The facts are like this: the Nazis came within a few days of reaching eretz yisroel. Several miracles happened which impeded their army – do you think the anti Torah settlers deserved that? No. The reason why there was no Holocaust in eretz yisroel was, said the chazon ish, because the frum responded to it properly… They davened, and recognized the gezeros as being from Hashem, and didn’t rely on shtadlonus like their european brethren
As for American jewry, gedolim have said different ideas… Some say that the zchus of all the tzedaka they give protected them, others say that they hadn’t gone off… They simply were never on to begin with.
As for tzadikim suffering … Chazal address that by the churban, where many good jews were killed. Chazal say that poranius, punishment, begins with the tzadikim! You should learn how chazal understand antisemitism; the beis halevi is really just a gemara which rashi quotes on “veavdil eschem….lehios li”, that if you’re separate, you’re mine, and if not, you belong to Nebuchadnezzar.
I’m shocked at the amount of ignorance here. I’m not saying any chiddushim.
Re tach vetat and the crusades; gedolim discussed those issues. Assimilation usually leads to punishments, but it’s not the only sin possible. If jews are separate but talk in shul, they are also liable for punishment, as the tosfos yon tov was told min hashomayim during tach vetat itself
Want to know what the seforim say about suffering? Go learn them! They all attribute it to our sins. It’s basic judaism.
Not when they were wrong; Jews in the times of churban were influenced by goyim and sinned. Jews before the Holocaust were more influenced and far more sinful, and suffered a far worse punishment. It’s all basic judaism, and even a Karaite would agree with it, because it’s all over chumash. The Torah is called adus, testimony, because it speaks to what will happen in this world, leaving olam haba for torah she baal peh to explain. What it says in chumash, that if you copy the goyim and sin, you will be destroyed, happened in all of its horror…and people are so weak-minded and afraid to say it.
Clearly in that old world, the frumma lived and associated quite differently than todays shtetls here in the US”
Want to learn how to be Jewish by copying the way jews lived before the churban beis hamikdash too?
levi – my thoughts exactly. why read something devoid of value, even if harmless, when there are torah comics(and lots of them) out there?
However, I don’t like some of the tanach-themed comics…sometimes they’re violent; we’re supposed to learn about these things intellectually, not expose our kids to seeing violent pictures. I’d say it’s better to read tintin than those things.
Worse than insulting ignorami and sinners is the sin of ziyuf hatorah, for which the yam shel shlomo says is yehereg velo yaavor.
It is ziyuf hatorah to say that the Holocaust was due to the spectre of racism, and wasn’t from Hashem. How can it not be the result of the wicked and our sins? it’s in basic chumash.. We just read ki savo – do you believe in the tochacha? Do you believe in only some parts of the Torah? .if you don’t keep the torah, horrible unspeakable things will happen. The false neviim said not to worry about the warnings…do as you please, and shalom yeheyeh li, ki beshrirus libi eilech… Would you believe in a god who isn’t just and fair? Our ancestors did horrible, horrible sins. Haskalah was rampant, chilul shabbos was everywhere, women were not tznius, as you mentioned… have you ever heard of tzvi migdal? Almost no one talks about it. It’s a shame that they don’t, people need to know the truth of how evil and worse than goyim secular jews can be. They destroyed in body and soul, tens and thousands of polish, chasidishe girls.
Antisemitism being good is mentioned in tons of seforim, because it keeps us separate, not because it keeps the bloodline pure – no one says that. You made that up in order to disparage those, such as the beis halevi, who say that it’s for our best. “If a Jew doesn’t make kiddush, the goyim make havdala”
In places where jews mingled, you only had pogroms, inquisitions, expulsions, massacres, and Holocausts…. How many times does is have to happen, how many messages does Hashem have to send before people listen and separate! Ve”avdil eschem min haamim. I have separated you from the nations. Vayisarvu bagoyim… They mixed with the nations and learned from their actions .. It’s everywhere; wake up!!!
ymr – some were, and those that were were far better than any jews today, but most were off the derech or headed that way when WW2 started. Severely off. The gedolim had warned that the mad dash towards secularism and haskalah was going to end in tragedy, and they, as now, scoffed and called them fanatics.
reb e – chabad nowadays keeps 72 as far as I’ve heard, but they do keep the baal hatanya’s zman for krias shema, which is the same as the gra.
syag – i do agree that there are some things that work in yeshiva communities that are too intense for places that are predominantly baalei batim, or people with limited backgrounds, but condoning mass transgression of halacha is not acceptable, no matter what.
A lot of examples come to mind; cholov yisroel, yoshon, separate seating by wedding meals(not dancing), tucking tzitzis in when among goyim, relying on rav moshe’s opinion about tznius issues and shul mechitzos…none of which constitute violation of halacha, though they are objectively lower standards.
Sam, you haven’t answered a single one of ujm’s taanos which the Torah world has on modern orthodoxy/some OOT. Instead, you reductively state that the only difference is whether or not you hold of rabbeinu tam for ending shabbos; I’m guessing you believe the difference also to be whether or not one eats gebrokts, since there are differing customs in that regard as well.
Modern orrhodoxy doesn’t merely adhere to one authority or minhag which is more meikil. German Jews are “meikil” in halacha more than others, but are very medakdek in halacha just as any other Torah community. Chasidim are known to be even more lenient in halacha, yet have high standards in mussar and hashkofa.
“Not being Torah focused” is a huge deal, and it’s a lot more than if you end shabbos according to the Gra or Rabeinu Tam.
My rebbeim taught me that if you wouldn’t eat in someone’s house, don’t eat in their restaurant (or under their hashgocha).
I wouldn’t eat in a home where the women don’t dress according to halacha, or if the men disregard halachos of shmiras eynayim altogether. Why would you trust someone who doesn’t accept mitzvos as a Mashgiach? Why are they believed to be relied upon when they are invalid as witnesses? This includes, according to rav vosner, someone who has unfiltered internet.
There are plenty of restaurants with Mashgichim/owners who wear knit yarmulkes, who i have no problem eating in, but I wouldn’t eat in a place if i saw the Mashgiach watching a movie on his phone, regardless of how he’s dressed.
Reb E, I always heard that it’s because his mind had holy thoughts, but his heart and body went after his taavos
Ujm, the average MO person is almost as distant from yiddishkeit as a conservative jew from the 70s
pick whichever has less pritzus
I’ve only ever seen one Shidduch where the boy was chasidishe; a satmar guy, in fact. But the girl went to a chasidishe bais yaakov, spoke yiddish… Came from a baal teshuva family background too – but I’ve only seen it once
Ujm, I’ve known many shiduchim between chasidishe women and litvishe men. Briskers tend to marry chasidishe – they say that they make better wives, and i definitely understand that. Two of my rebbeim married chasidishe women, but they spoke yiddish and knew their way around a tish.
lakewhut – it’s because young people today are enamored by sensory input. everything needs to be on a screen or have a loud noise, or be musical, or something to grab them
Yoyo – i bet you have no problem bashing racists and other people you think are “really” bad..
Reb E, the kotzker means that not having fear of Hashem is denying His greatness, the very thing you’re referring to with your description of ahavah
It’s a lot worse than meets the eye. His husband is a communications director, student Liason, and hebrew language teacher at YU. Talia, whatever his name really is, married and adopted a child with him, and are supposedly welcomed in the YU community in Washington heights, he claims, in an interview with times of Israel.
His husband, bradley, wears a hat and jacket.
It’s sick that such things are normal.
AAQ, a king in halacha is a king if they rule a country and have the power of life and death, according to some poskim. It doesn’t matter if they are legitimate in their own statutes and tachsisei melucha
Jack, Pesach is a time for teshuva ma’ahavah. RH and Yom Kippur are times for Teshuva Mi’yirah. as you mentioned, the themes of the selichos, tefilos, are trepidation and awe of Din.
The kotzker rebbe used to say that yiras Hashem without ahava is missing in shlaimus, wholeness, but ahavah without yirah is nothing.
Just hippie santa claus god worship.
Yidden don’t have a yatzer hora for murder. Rav moshe said famously that the son of sam murderer couldn’t be Jewish, despite his last name, because Jews don’t kill unprovoked and for no reason.
Ujm, rishonim say that the weakening of the YH for znus was that they got rid of the taavah for krovim
Maybe they’re new york times’ agents
Ubiq, i should have been clearer. I was referring to what happens lemaysoh – public elementary schools teach grammar,and the vast majority don’t absorb it. Those who are bookish will have good grammar regardless. I’ve always said that if you teach grammar methodically, it never sticks; when i was a kid, i had perfect grammar because of “what sounds right,” since i grew up in a literary house with a father who was a professional writer.
Im yeshivos they teach dikduk, and who remembers it? The handful of grammar people.
Public schools might teach it, but it’s entirely ineffective. Those who speak and write well just do; these are things that are more environment/genes based.
I know how i forgot; I’m used to seeing rav chazzan’s name with a ches – a C made.me think of cohen, kahanoh, etc..should have put RECH