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I also agree with strict background checks, continuous renewals of licenses, requires training, and requiring guns to be biometrically locked.. If they could develop a scanner which can read blood alcohol levels, I’d support that too.
But permitting self defense in the most effective way, i don’t see.
Yserb, you’re talking in circles about two different things. I agree that there shouldn’t be so many guns, and that the culture which bred that reality is violent and against our values. So i would agree with, perhaps, placing caps on how many guns manufacturers can make, how many gun shops can be active in a locale, or other such measures.
But the criminals aren’t getting their guns from shops. They’re getting them illegally, and the decrease of guns in circulation will take decades, or more, to make a dent in the amount of working firearms in the country, legal and illegal
But one thing you suggested, limiting magazine sizes, calibers, etc… Does nothing to limit how many guns are in the country. All it does is hamper self defense for people who have guns for completely innocuous reasons.
Baltimore, looking for taavah is totally assur. Seeing men is not.
CS, where does rav moshe say anything of the sort?
Complete fabrication. No one said that until messianic Lubavitch.
Yaakov lo meis means Yaakov didn’t die. It doesn’t mean that anyone else didn’t. Eliyahu also didn’t die, and neither did chanoch.
So what? The Lubavitcher Rebbe died. He had strokes and physical health problems just like anyone else. He’s no longer living. He’s not yaakov, eliyahu, or chanoch.
Aaq…. Why does the amount of times a word is used matter? They had snow, and they knew what it could do. But snow was not very common in that part of the world
Yserb, the difference in calibers is very significant. A person who wants to own a gun for self defense is severely outgunned and outmatched if he is limited to .22lr. it will not protect him the way a 9mm would.
So when gun law advocates want to ban higher calibers, that is creating danger for many people.
Akuperma, they used to preserve meat in salt, or in the snow
A few facts are missing here.
A .22, which in this context is referring to .22LR(not the kind of 22 an AR uses) has very little stopping power. It has lethal power, and one who takes a bullet to the right place will die later on, especially if not treated, but it does not have the the immediate ability to stop an intruder/assailant n his tracks before he’s ready to shoot at you, chas veshalom.
A.22 with hollow points or so called RIP bullets(radically invasive projectile) would maybe work, but i don’t know if they even make it for .22lr
A 9mm has far more stopping power, and for this reason it is the preferred weapon of police, because the goal is to neutralize danger, not to necessarily kill. A shotgun has considerably more stopping power, but is impractical to use in a home because of parts of the shot penetrating walls and potentially hitting other people.
The downside to a larger caliber is recoil and lack of precision if a person is not highly trained.
Another point that is not being addressed is that criminals will have guns regardless of gun policy. It isn’t like in Europe where they were able to get rid of most guns; American has literally more guns in circulation than people. You can bemoan that reality – and i don’t necessarily agree or disagree with that – but once it is that reality, stronger laws on law abiding citizens is a knee jerk reaction to violence, over 90% of which is committed by illegally possessed weapons.
A new gun feature coming out might make a big difference. Many manufacturers are looking into biometrically locked guns, where only the registered owner will be able to operate it, based on fingerprint. This would prevent teens from accessing their parents’ legal guns, etc…
The gun lobbyists won’t want to ban non-biometric licked guns, but just as the far left used to be crazy about the 1st amendment,and champion the rights of nazis to march in skokie, the gun crowd needs to not be fanatical about the 2nd amendment and accept somr sort of oversight.
It also doesn’t help that anti gun activists usually have zero knowledge of guns. Take a rifle and show it to people, and they’ll think it’s a hunting gun. Slap a magazine feed to the bottom and it’s an “assault weapon” and “military grade,” when literally everything else about it is identical.
CT…the supreme court knows the constitution and ruled that the 2nd amendment guarantees a right for citizens to own guns, perhaps “because” of the need for militia, but not limited TO a militia. Once something is allowed, it doesn’t matter what it’s used for. כיון דאישתרי אישתרי
Ideally people shouldn’t have guns at all. But once the criminals have them, it puts people in danger to disarm or severely limit people’s ability to defend themselves.
the advantage of the phone not being a smartphone is that it makes a statement to others and the community, espeically children and teens, that we are keeping the torahs standards…even if a smartphone can in practice be just as practically kosher
Tag has a full list of 4g flip phones that they kasher, many of which can be found used on eBay for 25
Reb E, it’s not just elderly people…i never call anyone in their 50s by their first name unless they explicitly tell me to
The riva means that “even” in such cases..kal vechomer when it’s not against a pasuk and only sevara etc
User, the rishonim write how the frum jews used to call each other Rabbi to distinguish themselves from karaim… So the practice continued.
Damoshe, there’s no “machlokes” – you’re mixing up the yotzros.
We’re not discussing relying on a heter which you think is wrong. Talui al beis din patur is a sugya in horayos, and if you’re fit to know when a psak is wrong, then the halacha is that you can’t apply talui al b”d.
None of that has to do with lo sasur. Check out the chinuch on the mitzvah; it’s about emunas chachamim. We listen to the teachings of chachamim and don’t think that we know better. We don’t argue with people bigger than us, etc..
As for political matters, it is another invention of MO that claim that it’s only a new phenomenon. Josephus, no fan of chachamim, writes (quoted in rav avigdor millers hashkofa seforim) that all political offices were sanctioned by the rabanim.
And no one said you can’t ask questions to gedolim; emunas chachamim does not mean to not question, as you said, it means that you listen even after you question, and even if you’re not satisfied with the answer. This is what we do with chazal, rishonim, achronim..we ask kushyos on everyone, but we don’t say that they’re wrong because of those kushyos.
And how exactly do the Rambam and ramban not “pasken” like rashi? He’s not discussing the halachos of toleh al beis din; this is a complete misunderstanding of the issue.
Square, many talmidim of rabbi Hershel Shechter will call him a gaon. Rabbi Shechter, undoubtedly uses the term for rav Moshe and rabbi yoshe ber soloveitchik.
I’ve seen articles in tradition which use the word, too. I don’t think it’s a hard and fast rule.
Anon, I’m explaining why MO ideology is wrong. They are accusing the yeshivos of idolatry. Those claims are apikorsus, and it doesn’t matter who says them – there are people with black hats who think this way, and there are people in kipos serugos who kiss the hand of chachamim and don’t make an investment without consulting their chacham – it’s not about people per se, it’s about ideology. And there’s no such thing as lashon hora on an ideology.
Rav Miller definitely did say, multiple times, on tale, to not be a democrat. That part is true.
Rav baruch ber wrote when quoting rav chaim brisker, “ve’amar kadosh yisroel” in the middle of a piece, not just as an introductory praise… This is how he looked at the gadol hador.
As for MO deciding that praising gedolim or listening to them blindly, as the torah says to do “lo sasur min hadavar…” Even if they tell you left is right and right is left…, is somehow linked to idolatry… It only shows how far their own ideology has taken them away from basic yiddishkeit.
And an MO response to lo sasur is that it’s only halachikally binding when it’s a beis din smuchim… the obvious answe to this, is that according to them, it’s not idolatry when it’s a beis din, but it is when it’s the gedolei hador?
They just have a problem with authority. And should you think that it’s only rabbinic authority they don’t like… Google “struggling with God modern orthodoxy” and you’ll see it’s authority of the Almighty that they aren’t fans of either.
Ywm – where does it say that no jew will be left behind? Chazal say that 4/5 of klal yisroel didn’t make it out of mitzrayim for exactly that reason.
Zionists clearly wrote that they were superior in “spirit”(whatever that means to atheists), intellect and creativity to sefardim. They were ashamed of them and thought they were inferior. The empty wagon cites more than 10 examples of this
Someday – i was hoping that you’d be the first lubavitcher chossid to tell me that their rebbe was not moshiach; turns out that you’re a supporter of lubavitch, but not in the community fully. And that’s a very common approach that admirers of chabad will go with, and i respect that others, including some in the Yeshiva world, had or have a favorable view of the lubavitcher rebbe – that’s not a big deal to me. What is a big deal to me is the notion that the lubavitcher rebbe is the Messiah or worse…
I understand that saying “yes” is not universal; only some go so far or admit to it to outsiders.
And among those there are a few different attitudes, with complexity…while i in no way use the term to connote sophistication; a scribble is also a complex mix of lines.
So asking menachem to say he definitely thinks the rebbe is moshiach is unfair from his perspective, because there’s a grey area and a mound of….”information”… surrounding neo -chabads teaching on the issue.
So asking for a “yes” doesn’t solve it. And most will say yes to accepting moshiach “whoever that might be.”
But a definitive “no” from someone in the “anti” camp is something I’ve yet to hear.
coffee – I read what he said, but I want to hear the word ‘no’ from a lubavitcher without the ability to be medayak their way out of it. And I’ve yet to hear this in person, or online. So I asked if he does, in fact, identify himself as a lubavitcher chossid, and if he will say the word “no” regarding the lubavitcher rebbe being moshiach.
I’ve asked this of many lubavitchers after building a friendly rapport; the conversation never ends with a simple “no.” Not once.
Someday – want a list?
The Chofetz chaim ,Rav moshe, the satmar rov, and The chazon ish all fit the bill just nicely,and they’re just the first to come to mind.
Are you a lubavitcher chosid and are you saying unequivocally that the lubavitcher rebbe was not and will not be moshiach?
Menachem, you believe in a messiah proven to be false according to the halacha recorded in the rambam. No amount of chasidus or kabalah can change a halacha pesukah.
Black hats are most certainly not water resistant. After a few rains, they are clearly not the same as before, and if it continues long term, the shape warps.
Bags or shayne coats are ab absolute necessity if one does not have a rain hat (as in, the hat which used to be your weekday hat, and before that was your shabbos hat, which previously was your yom tov hat)
Dofi, a large amount of chabadskers will say that their rebbe just “might” have been or will be moshiach. The anti meshichists, as far as I’ve seen, however, will not say clearly that he was NOT.
And this is why the antis tolerate the meshichists; they’re really not very different,and they respect where the messianics are coming from.
Menachem hasn’t expressed messianism, but he hasn’t denied it either. So give him a chance – will he say that the lubavitcher rebbe was not moshiach, or is it still a possibility?
“When a Lubavitcher says “I did this with the Rebbe’s kochos” and people jump and him and scream “avoda zorah” – I think it comes from ignorance and suspicion of Yidden who are different.
It is the same as someone saying “I made a great deal for 10,000 dollars yesterday” – no one says that the businessman doesn’t believe in Hashem ch”v, rather they understand that he means that he made a KELI for Hashem’s brochos of $10,000”Then they should say it was in their rebbe’s zchus, like literally every other chasidus does.
People aren’t “ignorant” for listening to english or yiddish words and saying that people mean what they say. When someone says that a rebbe’s kochos brought him salvation, that IS avodah zara. It’s not ignorance, and it’s not because chabad people are “different.” That’s a defense mechanism that chabad teaches people to resort to when their views are challenged or criticized. Satmar, Breslov, and many others are “different” from the majority of klal yisroel, but not in ways that make people think that they are ovdei avodah zara.
I’m not reading anything into the words that lubavitchers use; i’m using my chush ha’shmiah and hearing the words. I’m hearing shlomo cunin say that his deceased rebbe “runs the world,” I’m hearing children asked “what did you do for the rebbe today,” I’m hearing people say that their rebbe protects them(not his zchus, as in zchuso yagen aleinu), I’m hearing people ask their rebbe for bakashos, “rebbe save me,” etc..
And then sometimes I hear apologetics and explanations that make it less avodah zara-dik; if chabad meant nothing different than other chasidim, who go to rebbes, give kvitilach, pour their hearts out, and go to kvarim, then why don’t they say what they mean and talk like everyone else?
Some chabadniks think that their rebbe had indepedent power, which is shituf – a worse form of avodah zara, however, are those who say that the rebbe helping you is the same as god helping you, because he is basically god wrapped in a body, as their rebbe told them in likutei sichos. That youre alloweds to daven at a kever because youre “really” davening to god, r”l.
Then there are people like you who say that a tzadik has no independent power at all, and only channels brochos from Hashem, an idea that nobody has a real problem with.
So why don’t people like you:
1. change the way chabad talks, to reflect what you actually think
2. stop teaching kids to do things “for the rebbe”
3. completely and unequivocally denounce, and put into cherem, anyone who says that the rebbe was god, calls him boreinu like the tzfas-niks, or part of god or the essence of god wrapped in a body. Thrown out to the point where you say that they’re practicing a different religion.But no, you’re probably going to talk about achdus and how we have enough rifts as it is. Which is what chabad teaches its students to say when talking to “snags.”
No, there can and needs to be another rift if the other side is idolatrous.
Would chabad not want to make a rift if some of its adherents started worshipping yushke, while keeping the mitzvos?
Menachem – we’re talking about different things. I noted above that asking mechila is fine, and thanks for mentioning other things that are related to the meis himself(with moshe asking about burying yosef etc..)
Answering questions in learning is fine, too, because their knowledge doesn’t go away when they pass away; on the contrary, they know more torah than before.
But thanks for making me aware of the rema; i didn’t know about it before.
But i hope we can agree that bakashos, asking for assistance from shomayim, as in, health, parnosa, children, or spiritual things like help in doing teshuva, learning, etc…those are tefilos which are only for Hashem or for tzadikim to bring to Hashem.
In the context of the conversation, you need to be careful in your lashon, as many in your community believe that the lubavitcher rebbe is capable of fulfilling an individual’s bakashos.
6 1.5L bottles for 19 is a pretty bad deal. 2 liters for 2 means a dollar a liter; 9 liters for 19 dollars is 10 extra.
Besalel, i think someday was referring to the million sefardi refugees who came to israel; most of whom went to zionist schools, the army, etc, and were totally oisgeshmaded. The zionists were also the reason why those sefardim were forced out kf their former countries.
The ones who went to America stayed Jewish, too. Look at the Syrian community in America…most did not intermarry, and the same resurgence of Torah that happened in EY is happening in Brooklyn right now.
But in EY, they went frei right away, BECAUSE of the state.
And many intermarried without knowing it, because the state recognizes patrilineal descent and fake gerim; an issue not present in America, where even the frei sefardim listen to rabbis.
Max, do you think the besh”t would have approved of mixed campus purim parties with alcohol and dancing, while a “rabbi” goea around schmoozing with frei kids?
Square, did you fail to mention freeing Mordechai Rubashkin because he is not a zionist, snd therefore less important than a spy who betrayed his host country and furthered antisemitic tropes of dual loyalty?
Granted, pollard served way more time than necessary for his offense, and became frum. He paid his debt and i jave nothing against him, but Rubashkin did far, far less… didn’t hurt anyone and was sentenced to an absurd amount of time.
Menachem – well said, but Hashem will only bring those who are metzapeh leyeshuah; people who don’t want to go, including people who are too comfortable in galus, simply will not go and will not be redeemed.
Alao, mitzvos hateluyos baaretz are medoraysoh when the majority of yisroel are in eretz yisroel, not all of them.
Menachem, it’s not “various requests” – ths ONLY thing you find chazal advocating is asking for the niftar to daven on your behalf.
As for the maharil and what he does with those gemaros, I’ve had a few thoughts on that. It could be that the maharil holds that we in our time shouldn’t, because we might end up relying on the neisim too much and actually think that they have power.
Dofi, good questions – the population in eretz yisroel is under no obligation to leave, because the individuals aren’t violating the oaths by living there. They don’t have to to anywhere. But they should dismantle the state and accept being a state of the US or whatever.
Also, while it “could” have been permanent, it was never intended to be; i believe the gaon writes that. Same way chizkiyahu was fit to be moshiach, but it clearly was not the Divine plan.
oops – wrong thread! that was supposed to be in the leaving galus thread
Dofi, there was a nevuah to to up then. Now there’s a halacha not to go en masse until moshiach.
Simple.
Also, i forgot something; those who refused to go up with Ezra were severely criticized
Even when alive, one is supposed to trust only in Hashem and ask others only as hishtadlus, as we see from yosef hatzadik, that even asking twice was already more than acceptable hishtadlus on his level.
Certainly to beg a person – tzadik or otherwise – would be largely lacking in bitachon.
And when they’re deceased? It’s just ridiculous, because even bederech hateva they can’t help. The only way they can help is if you ascribe powers to them that they do not possess.
Or if you ask them to daven for you, which is perfectly fine.
Redleg – that’s the attitude of the 4/5 of klal yisroel who didn’t want to leave galus. They were comfortable where they were. The mitzvah – the complete obligation – to live in eretz yisroel is in full force when Moshiach comes, and anyone who doesn’t want to go will definitely not be zocheh to be among the redeemed.
Those who lived in bavel during bayis sheni were not living bzman hageulah…everyone knew bayis sheni was temporary.
Im shocked and appalled at this abrogation of a mitzvah deoraysoh.
How can someone not have a desire to return to Eretz yisroel when it is restored to its proper glory? Now there are reasons not to live there; the shmad, ease of raising children, parnosa, etc..but the deep, fiery desire of every yid to return to artzeinu hakedosha is imbued in every part of our fefilos and daily activities.
And it is for this reason, among many, that we torah jews despise the shmad state; it holds back the true geulah.
Gadol,. It’s a maamar chazal… isn’t that good enough?
Ben, see above Pasuk, poskim, and logic.
Live = hishtadlus, because bederech hateva, the king/your boss/your in laws/ anyone seem to be able to help.
Dead = what are they going to do for you? They can daven for you, which is exactly wbat chazal ssked of them, but anything else would be saying that they have actual, independent power, as if Hashem gave power over to them(shituf deoraysoh)
The chofetz chaim had a suitcase packed and ready to go in anticipation of moshiach.
I’m not on the ol level to do that, but for me, i try to have it in mind whenever making long term decisions.
As for needing to maintain decorum in shomayim, that’s all over the place in chazal. Malaachim must stand at attention and not “sit”, whatever that means; elisha ben avuyah saw Matat sitting, and thought it was shtei reshuyos, etc..
There is an entire chorus of malaachim who are commnaded to honor Hashem in varying ways at varying times…kovod and etiquette is crucial.
Nom, what do you think “you have permission to look at all of the talmidei chachamim’s thrones, besides the throne of rebbe chiyah” means? Looking where you don’t belong is chutzpah. Afterwards, he asked for mechilah. It’s the simple pshat in the gemara.
As for beseeching dead people, it most definitely is addressed in halacha – see above. It’s also a pasuk in chumash; necromancy is strictly forbidden.
And i don’t know what jihad has to do with anything; i posited a svara – take it or leave it, but it doesn’t change the simple halacha that one is not permitted to pray to something else besides Hashem.
Coffee; compare that with the satmar rov zy”a, who gave copious amounts of tzadaka to anti frum zionists who were abandoned by their own.
Reb e, we don’t ask Hashem to get tzadikim to help us: where did you get that idea from?
If we said a mi sheberach for the IDF, why should we not say it fkr Hatzolah, Shomrim, and others who help jews? We already say acheinu…betzara uvshivya.
It’s only said because of an anti Torah attitude of putting them on a pedestal above other jews who are helping other jews.
Re, medina; you know EXACTLY why no one outside the Hebrew national community says it, or hallel on bones day, or anything else.