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Mentsch, if you’ve noticed, i haven’t bad mouthed r. Mirvis. I have only said what is very clear and what he himself says, that he is not one of the gedolei yisroel or a posek, and that he requires the decision of one to do what he did. He claims that such a psak was given. I’m asking to know who that was and what was said, because it’s a very questionable action.
I didn’t say you were sidestepping, i said you were being vague. Allowing some things doesn’t mean allowing others. The examples you quoted have no bearing on the case, other than to establish that such an idea of sholom malchus exists – it does, but what are its limitations? Standing in attention of a religious ceremony is almost a tacit approval of the prayers and hymes. Did the gemara say that’s ok?
And what sholom malchus is there in England compared with the situation in Rome or bavel? One wrong move and it was “off with his head” in those places, and in old England, too. But as pointed out, today’s monarchy in England is more cultural – now it’s important to ingratiate ourselves with the upper echelons of society as part of our security and to advocate for our communitys needs, but that is a far cry from the situation of old. Where is there proof that to gain clout we may violate any of the mitzvos? Eivah, sholom malchus… These concepts are quite different now.
I’m questioning r. Mirvis. He’s not someone who I’m obligated to listen to or be mevatel daas to. And he’d be the first person to tell you that.
I started writing here…. Wow, it’s going on 2 years already, mainly because I like writing and I didn’t have much of an outlet for it. I’m also into hashkofa, and I like to debate ideas and ideology… Though i wish it were within the confines of the broad umbrella of Torah Judaism; sadly, as you said so eloquently, that is not the case.
I agree that people are shocked by mainstream yeshiva world thought; or at least they pretend to be. But perhaps there’s benefit in exposing these people to Torah, because all they’re hearing, it seems, is new york times-darshening pulpit rabbis who go on and on about “ethics” without requiring their constituents to make any real commitments.
And why isn’t r. Mirvis releasing the name of the posek who was matir? Does he wish to remain anonymous? What does that say about the psak?
There are many capable, big poskim in England. Many. Let him ask one and publicize who it is and let that posek give a proper teshuva as poskim do. Until such time, i cannot understand why someone would accept r. Mirvis’ claims sight unseen.
Still waiting for a source for a heter. Anyone?
Aaq, chazal say to listen blindly. But chachamim are not popes, to use an MO phrase, and they are accepted precisely because of their astounding ability to showcase their breadth and depth of Torah knowledge. We blindly listen out of a humble understanding that they know better, as evidenced by their own Torah – it’s a logical blind faith. It’s like one who trusts a doctor who is known as an expert; it makes sense to trust him, even if he says something weird to you.
And no, the chief rabbis of the past few decades were not poskim. Rabbi sacks, rabbi mirvis, etc…are political pulpit rabbis. Rav emanuel jakobovitz was a posek. Rav yechezkel abramsky was one of the gedolei hador. But most weren’t.
If r. Mirvis wants us to accept what he did, let him or his supporters bring proof that it was alright.
Mentsch, you’re not citing a source; you’re dancing around the issue with maybes and sfaikos with vague comparisons to stories which you admit you’re not familiar with. Provide a source that such things are alright. And while you’re at it, provide a source that what jared trump did was alright.
Also, this issue rightfully concerns every frum jew, because the chief rabbi represents jewry to a large degree in the world. Unfortunately, more people identify yiddishkeit with the British chief rabbi than with rav gershon eidelstein.
So his actions are important to Torah jews.
If a rosh yeshiva were arrested on tax evasion charges, all of you MO and MO sympathetic posters would be screaming about the above issue.
We still have yet to see a heter cited in the poskim to allow being jn a church during a ceremony that involves prayers etc…for the sake of sholom malchus. That rule isn’t a heter to do absolutely anything you want.
Funny how the same people who don’t like it when Torah jews blindly follow gedolei yisroel, who do noy engage in highly questionable behavior and who only teach daas torah, suddenly have emunas chachamim to the Nth degree for political rabbis doing things which are questionable.
Da, that’s not the pashtus – the peshuto shel mikra is rashi. Everything else comes later. Rashis pshat is how we view chachamim and it’s how we always have. Technicalities in halacha can differ, like any sugya, but the overarching idea and hashkofas hatorah is in that pasuk – they say, we listen.
Yabia, actually, it does; read rashi on the pasuk.
Yabia, we are commanded not to deviate “left or right” from what the chachamim teach us.
Or are you just going to continue regurgitating bland MO mottos and catchphrases?
Gadol, it needs to be very clear that rav moshe did NOT say the slippery slope thing about the eruv. He held it is assur medeoraysoh, and has no tzad heter whatsoever. And the vast majority of poskim backed him on it. Some were on the fence but joined the prohibition to show solidarity.
And after rav moshe was niftar….people made the eruv. It was a chutzpah norah.
Putting – Rav Moshe was against it because of what it might lead to, and most poskim disagreed with him on that particular issue.
An eruv is a far greater concern. It’s allowing widespread chilul shabbos deoraysoh, not something which is a modern day decree designed to prevent a situation where factories are running on Shabbos etc..
No comparison.
Ctl, baruch Hashem you caught it so early.
It is worth mentioning that ashkenazi men with the BRCA gene are more likely than the general population to develop male breast cancer. Many doctors recommended men get tested for this gene and subsequently undergo examinations for the disease.
The US being in NATO keeps peace in the region
I agree with….nom? Wow. There are inaccuracies in reb e’s post, but i will respond with more derech eretz.
The rema was talking about the streets in his time; in our time, streets are far larger, and are probably like Mechuzah. There’s also ocean parkway, which has 600k people going through it.
Yabia…see aforementioned sugya of tzaros erva. Learn mishnayos, learn gemara, and base your ideas on it, not on buzzwords popularized by ignorami online.
Hoo hoo, most poskim held that mechitzos wont help, but even if they would, the matirim said rhat things like traffic lights are mechitzos….very big dochak.
Ever learn tzaros habas in yevamos? Bais hillel held that tzaros are patur from yibum, and can marry anyone they want. Bais shammai held that they are chayav in yibum, and would marry those tzaros.
Without a mitzvah of yibum, ashes ach is erva and the resulting children are mamzerim.
The mishnah says that beis shammai would tell talmidim of bais hillel which children they cannot marry according to their shitah, since they would be considered mamzerim.
So if beis hillel can consider some children of bais shammai to be mamzerim, and still marry in their community otherwise, why do people ask things like this about machlokes haposkim? Oh, you consider those people mechalelei shabbos…how dare you think that they’re mechalelei shabbos…
According to rav moshe and the majority of poskim, this is chilul shabbos. Those that do it, are relying on their poskim; whether or not they’re allowed to do so…i have no idea. But never will the talmidim of the poskim who forbade it change their mind just because lots of people do it. It’s not a popularity contest.
As for sefardim, the bnei torah, for example in ateret torah, do not hold of the eruv.
Cs, i don’t have time to respond to your posts right now, but i will point out one issue – Hashem does not identify with good and detests evil. That implies that such things existed without being created by Hashem. Hashem created and dictated what is good and what is bad, and informed us of what those things are.
Lakewhut, your post shows a lack of familiarity with the eruv situation in Brooklyn. litvishe rabbonim(and most chasidishe rabbonim) do not, have not, and will never support an eruv that the majority of gedolei yisroel, maran rav moshe berosham, vehemently opposed.
Pet rocks are a good study in human psychology
Hashem is the ultimate maitiv, benefactor. He created and gave us a world full of pleasure and kindness, so that we could recognize Him, and gain eternal enjoyment in olam haba by doing so.
So not only are our lives created to be happy, they are a means to the end of being eternally, nearly infinitely happy.
And there is just the right balance between the ability to see and experience that happiness, and the nature of human beings to focus on the negative, and not appreciate that kindness.
I don’t see why CS is under criticism for this. Everyone I know with marriage problems consults rabbonim. Often the perspective of a daas torah provides solutions and communication skills that the couple hadn’t thought of.
Therapists are trained by the way non jews view marriage. Often they’ll commiserate with the perspective of “what am I getting out of this marriage” and other modern tendencies. I’ve heard horror stories from therapists, very dangerous advice.
Most shul rabbonim double as marriage counselors. That’s just the reality.
People came to rav pam, rav shlomo zalman, and many others all the time with sholom bayis problems. Running to a therapist as a first resort is far more risky than going to a rov who knows at least one of the parties involved.
Menachem, the word hilula is used by large swaths of klal yisroel to refer to the yahrtzeit of any tzadik, based on the lashon of the zohar; it’s not only in chabad.
I agree that the Lubavitcher rebbe never said that lag baomer is not the yahrtzeit of rebbe shimon; some simply enjoy stating contrarian opinions nonchalantly, and then reveling in the resultant fallout.
Biden is visibly in mental decline; it’s not just Republicans who had said so. He seems unsure of himself when he speaks, makes more gaffes thab when he was younger, and only accepts pre screened questions from staff. He has very low energy, but average or perhaps even above average for a person his age.
I agree that conservatives tend to upplay his condition, saying that he has full on dementia or belongs in a nursing home; i don’t see that. But i do not see a person with sharp faculties either.
Trump, however, is full of energy; whether you like him and his policies or not, he talks just as sharp as he did 20 years ago.