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Minhag HaGra is to duchan every day. The Gra wanted to make that the minahg of his bet midrash but a fire broke out and he announced that he ddi not have the support of Heaven. Same when Rav Chaim Volozhiner decided to change the minhag. Howeevr, Rav Yisrael Salanter said that if he had agreed withthe Gra he woulkd have changed it fire or no fire. Rav Yaakov Kaminetzky said that RYS thought that the fire had been set by fanatics and neither the Gra or RCV wanted to make a fight of it. RYS did not care.
In any case, I do not understand why an Ashkenazi cannot duchan in a Sephardi shul as that is the minhag hamakom, especially if he davens there every day (see Iggerot Moshe Orach Chaim 3:5). Of course, he can make aliya as the standard Ashkenazi minhag in EY (except in the Galil and Haifa) is like the Gra.
I would organize aliya flights including transfer of businesses and other assets. The question is whether the non-Jewish population would consider this interfering with them as some will no longer be employed by Jews but the new gentile owners of assets that can only be sold rather than transferred will keep them on the payroll.
Also Hallel in shul on leil Pesach, special shir hayom on moadim including Purim and Chanuka.
Neville, you are wrong so I will correct you. The Gra held that Chol HaMoed is an ot and did not wear tefillin them. Those in Chul who follow his minhagim do not either. There are several questions where he simply agreed with the Bet Yosef such as how many berachotto say on tefillin and when to duchan.
Actually Minhag HaGra does not pertain in all of EY nor is it 100% even in Yerushalayim (except for the Zilberman kehila). For example, in the Galil the cohanim only duchan in Musaf on Shabbat andyamim tovim (Minhag HaGra is every day). Even in Yerushalayim almost everyone says “v’ne’emar” at the end of Aleinu (the Gra did not say it).
Health, how do you define “almost” and to which of various pre-nups are you referring?
Joseph, if all of the gedolim would get together and agree on something Mashiach would come. Lok what happened when the Mahari Beirav tried to re-institute semicha.
Taking off a tag might be makkeh b’patish if you would not wear the garment with the tag. Opening the bag might be tikun keli depending on how the bag was made and if you would use it for other things. The best thing to do is to rip it such that it is not reusable.
The so-called warnings are nonsense. It has been proven that the children were prompted.So ruled Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach after Rav Avraham Steinberg investigated them for him.
Joseph, I read in several places that the Chazon Ish said that those with Down’s syndrome and the autism are the souls of tzaddikim to facilitate our soul correction. They need no soul correction, that’s why they lack free choice. However, I do not know if this means that they are holier than nevi’im particularly in the sense of the English word. In fact, I do not know ho we can make such comparisons. Is a mamzer who is a talmid chacham more kadosh than a Cohen Gadol who is an am ha’aretz? In the sense of his Tora yes but in the sense of his lineage no.
Rav Mordechai Eliahu said that it was WW2. Regarding the Zohar, at the end of parashat Balak it says that on the 25th of Elul (9/11 was actually on the 23th) two gates of Rome and the great hall will fall as a prelude to terrible wars.
What about HaKatan? Is your last name Howard? Or perhaps Marx?
Sorry, Health. I meant DY. You guys seem to be alter egos.Tell me, did you ever hear of a man named Menachem Stark?
Health, YAWN.
Rabbinically all of Shmutz laAretz is tamei – both the air and ground (Rambam Hilchot Tumat Met 11:1). According to the Gra (commentary on Sefer d’Tzeniuta, Likutim) for Jews it is one big cemetery.
Feivel,
1. That Shir HaMaalot talks about our return to EY. Very Zionist.
2. That is, in fact, Rav Kook’s interpretation of Rambam.
Health,don’t let the facts confuse you. You remind me of the gabbai who could not believe that his father died. Every Shabbat he gave him an aliya and even said “Amen” before and after the reading. When they told the Gerrer rebbe about it he said “Tell him to give his father hagba’ah”.
Joseph, actually, according to FBI statistics “Of the murders for which the circumstance surrounding the murder was known, 41.8 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2010. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 23.1 percent of murders. Circumstances were unknown for 35.8 percent of reported homicides.” According to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime the intentional homicide rate in the US was 4.7 and in Israel 1.8. Thus even discounting family violence the rate in the US is much higher. Then there are other violent felonies, in particular robberies, which are often directed at Jews as they are seen as having money.
Health, we have the death penalty for Nazi war criminals as well as for treason and certain crimes under military law during wartime.
Rabbi, why do you rarely say Tachanun. Are you a mohel or a davener with one? Tehillim 126 is special because it speaks of our return to EY:
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You can google “Rav Kook on Psalm 126”.
On the contrary, Health. Our enemies can feel that the geula is advancing so they are trying desperately to stop it. In any case, terror is world-wide. Not to mention the fact that in the US someone shoots up a school, mall or workplace every Mon and Thurs. As for freedom of worship, where does it not exist in Israel? In Europe if you want to go to shul you have to register in advance, present ID and go through a check – if you can identify the anonymous building as a shul.
Rabbi, actually Rav Kook wanted the national anthem to be the shir hamaalot we sing on days when we do not say Tachanun.
DY, I dispute your statement. Of course, it depends on whom you count as gedolim.
Feivel, Eretz Yisrael is part of Am Yisrael. It is the only place where we can develop our national potential. (Rav Kook at the beginning of “Orot”).
It dependson why they are forbidden. If they areehretical thye are apikorsut (an apikorsus is a heretic). If they are immodest they are “divrei cheshek”. The sefarim chitzoni’im are those books, such as Sefer Ben Sira, that were excluded from the Tanach. They are not completely forbidden to be read. There is also “chochmat Yevanit” but it is not clear to what that refers. Perhaps sophistry as it literally means “the wisdom of the Greek language” (“Greek wisdom” would be “chochma Yevanit”).
Health @ Co., did you ever read “1984”? Apparently you have formed a frum Ministry of Truth. If you google “Haj Amin al-Husseini biography” you will find that according to the Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica he was born in 5657. Other sources give his year of birth as no earlier than 5753. With the outbreak of WW1 he became an officer in the Ottoman army. I seriously doubt if he had any contact at all with Jews during his childhood and youth.
As for memories of general relations between Jews and Arabs, there is also a Yiddish song song that praises Romania, which was virulently anti-Semitic and whose governments repeatedly violated treaties they themselves had signed regarding treatment of Jewish citizens. Of course, just as there were individual Romanians who worked for Jews and thus had to be friendly so too there were individual Arabs who worked for Jews. Moreover, as I previously posted, Emir Faisal supported the Zionist movement and even signed a formal agreement with Chaim Weizman. Two weeks prior to signing the agreement, Faisal stated:
“The two main branches of the Semitic family, Arabs and Jews, understand one another, and I hope that as a result of interchange of ideas at the Peace Conference, which will be guided by ideals of self-determination and nationality, each nation will make definite progress towards the realization of its aspirations. Arabs are not jealous of Zionist Jews, and intend to give them fair play and the Zionist Jews have assured the Nationalist Arabs of their intention to see that they too have fair play in their respective areas. Turkish intrigue in Palestine has raised jealousy between the Jewish colonists and the local peasants, but the mutual understanding of the aims of Arabs and Jews will at once clear away the last trace of this former bitterness, which, indeed, had already practically disappeared before the war by the work of the Arab Secret Revolutionary Committee, which in Syria and elsewhere laid the foundation of the Arab military successes of the past two years.”
The areas discussed were detailed in a letter to Felix Frankfurter, President of the Zionist Organisation of America, on 3 March 1919, when Faisal wrote :
“The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper.” (from the Wikipedia article on the Faisal-Weizman agreement, which also contains the text of the agreement).
It stands to reason that Faisal’s followers would have been friendly towards the Jews. However, the Mufti ym”s CHOSE to destroy all hope of peaceful co-existence in order to further his own personal political ambitions. The fault lies not with the Zionists, who were Hashem’s tools as Rav Kook says, but with the Mufti ym”s and Sir Herbert Samuel, who appointed him despite the fact that he finished last behind three Nashashibi candidates (Samuel wanted to maintain a balance between the two clans so he appointed the above rasha as Mufti and Raghib al-Nashashibi as Mayor of Yerushalayim).
Health, then what is the solution to galut? Hashem promised us EY not Boro Park.
KJ, the Mufti ym”s was born in 5657 so he could not have had any relationship with Jews prior to the impending creation of a Jewish state. While it is true that at first he supported Emir Faisal, who was pro-Zionist, his rivalry with the Nashashibi clan, which favored non-violent opposition to Zionism and later partition of EY, for intra-Arab power led him to be both anti-British and anti-Jewish. The statement from the Jewish Observer you quote is itself shameful. It whitewashes the Mufti. It is like those liberals in the US who blame crime on discrimination and never mind that the vast majority of the victims are black (similarly the Mufti’s forces killed many more Arabs than Jews). He chose his way. He could have just as easily followed Emir Faisal’s lead and urged co=operation with the Zionists for the mutual benefit of Arabs and Jews. Likewise the British chose to follow an Arabist policy. EY is ours. Period. In fact, Ramban says that the Tora starts with Creation so that WE will know this. Arabs can be gerim toshavim but they must accept Israel as a Jewish state.
Health, what relationship? If there was ever any chance it was destroyed by the Mufti ym”s and his corrupt heirs. For sixty seven years Arab countries have been keeping the people they told to leave and their descendants in poverty and non-citizenship and feeding them lies that the Jews are responsible for their problems. On the other hand, Jews expelled or otherwise forced to leave from Arab countries were immediately given Israeli citizenship. One of them is the new police commissioner. Several others have been or are currently cabinet ministers.
HaKatan,
1. The current state of affairs is the fault of the masses of frum Jews who did not heed Rav Kook’s call for religious aliya which would have made Israel a Tora state from the beginning. Apparently we will have to get there slowly in stages (Yerushalmi Berachot 1:1). In fact, things are constantly improving. There are two yeshivot in T.A. (one in the north and one in the south, which are two very different communities) which have both hesder and yeshiva gevoha programs as well as community programs (kindergartens, etc.). There is also a kiruv organization called Rosh Yehudi. Other cities, including mixed Jewish-Arab cities such as Lod have garinim Torani’im that have raised the elvel of the community tremendously. Someone told me that it is much easier to be religious in the IDF today than when he was in it over forty years ago (and, in fact, most of the junior officers are religious).
2. So WW2 was also the fault of the Zionists? I suppose it is also the cause of the Eurocrisis, global warming and the heartbreak of psoriasis. That just proves that it is connected to being Jewish (LOL). Rav Teichtal says the exact opposite in Em HaBanaim Semeicha. There is an obligation to establish a Jewish state as I have already posted several times.
3. I am not acquainted with the Satan. He does not consult me. However, it could actually be that the your state of denial comes from him. He has convinced you NOT to daven for the state. Perhaps you also do not daven for sick people. May Hashem remove the blinders of anti-Zionism.
Joseph, Hakatan and Health, I still want to know why you are intent on posting evil reports about EY. Read Mark Twain’s account in “The Innocents Abroad”. The land was desolate. Economics, FYI, is a sign of the geula (see Sanhedrin 98a with Rashi d”h meguleh mizeh).
1. There is a mitzva to live in EY and a mitzva to conquer EY. Obviously the latter pushes off pikuach nefesh of an individual. Of course, if someone will have to live on tzedaka here because he does not have a transferable skill he is temporarily exempt as that is the opposite of yishuv EY (as Rav Schachter said).
2, The contention that Jews lived in harmony with Arabs before the advent of Zionism is as nonsensical as the “nostalgic” Yiddish song about Romania. I direcxt you to the Jewish Virtual Library’s article “Treatment of Jews in the Arab World”.
3. When Rav Tzvi Yehuda was told of the “maaseh Satan” contention he replied that he was not acquainted with the Satan. BTW, I heard an opposite contention – from a Chareidi rabbi. He said that using anti-religious Jews to bring us back may have been Hashem’s way to trick the Satan into not trying (we do not believe in two reshuyot c”v – in the end the Satan cannot act without Hashem’s permission as we see in Sefer Iyov but it is better if he is quiet) to make trouble.
4. Why do certain people continue to denigrate EY and even refer to it as “Arabia”?
Joseph, EY is not only a safe haven (Yoel 3,5) but the land Hashem has given us and which is part of us as Rav Kook says at the beginning of “Orot”.
HaKatan, the massacre in Chevron was caused by the fact that the Jewish leadership depended on the Arab notables and the British police instead of accepting the Hagana’s offer of protection as well as the inaction of the latter two groups. The Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini ym”s was virulently anti-Jewish and needed no “provocation” beyond our existence. He later offered his services in implementing the Final Solution and recruited a Bosnian Moslem division for the Waffen SS. A pamphlet he distributed included the quote “The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: ‘There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!”. Apparently his services were very valuable tothe Nazisas tey paid him a monthly salary that was twice the ANNUAL salary of a German field marshall.
Health,
1. Rav Kook, Rav Tzvi Yehuda,Rav Avraham Shapira, Rav Shaul Yisrael.
2. Why are you so eager to denigrate EY?
3. Some like us. Some even risked their lives to save Jews. Erdogan is even worse than an ordinary anti-Semite. He not only has no reason to hate us but Israel has been good for Turkey. Moreover, Erdogan also has delusions of becoming a caliph and restoring the Ottoman Empire.
Rav Lior said in the name of Rav Kook said that any Jew who sides with our enemies against us is from the Erev Rav.
Health,
1. WE do pasken like Ramban. So there!
[Mason-Communist-Jew]), which presented freemasonry, communism and Judaism as evil.
His relations with Israel went sour with Operation Cast Lead (during which he conveniently forgot his adamant refusal to recognize the Armenian genocide).
3. Actually there are two mashiachs, Mashiach ben Yoser and Mashiach ben David. Rabbi Hillel Rivlin, in “Kol HaTor”, quotes his rebbe the Gra as saying that the job of the former is kibbutz galuyot and the material building of EY. Rav Kook held that he was Herzl (or perhaps the Zionist movement in general – in his hesped for Herzl he is not explicit).
I guess it depends on who you include as gedolei hador. Rav Lior (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/313612/rav-lior-israel-must-exercise-sovereignty-over-har-habayis.html), for example. Rav Mordechai Eliahu took a middle position, prohibited going to all areas but calling for a shul to be built in a place that is definitely permitted.
Health, the Ramban is the basis. We are REQUIRED to have a Jewish government. Do you really think that Erdogan would be better for the Jews?
147, according to Rav Neventazahl NO One is allowed on HHB. During the time of the Bayit Sheni there was even a sign warning gentiles that they could not go past a certain point.In any case, our security is our job. We cannot depend on others.
You’re right, Joseph. The government should crack down more. A good idea would be to find out if Moslems believe that some disposal of the body will cause torment to the soul and then do it. This will get to the root of why they do not care if they die.Perhaps burying them with dogs.
DY, Rav Eliashiv held that in general it is prohibited to go up so this may have been a way to strengthen his position. Not to mention the fact that very often askanim lied to him in order to get statements they wanted (Rav Simcha Kook said that this is how his agreement to support the Sharon government during the preparations for the expulsion from Gush Katif was obtained).
Health, that was, in fact, an issue at the start of WW1. Some did support the Turks and others thought that the British would be more amenable to establishing a Jewish state. In the end both tried to stop the Geula by both actions and inactions and both lost their empires.
HaKatan, secular Zionism is indeed anti-Tora and a impossible to sustain. Religious Zionism is, in fact, the political expression of Tora. Thus, Rav Tzvi Yehuda (Kook) objected to the term “religious Zinist” as e considered the two to be identical.
One Liner, one gains a greater identification with EY as well as giving chizuk to those Jews who already live here.
MW13, your traffic analogy is totally fallacious. There is no aveira in merely driving a car. If the road was clear and the driver ran a red light the driver alone is responsible. If the driver could nt stop (e.g. the pedestrian ran in front of him on a highway) the pedestrian is solely responsible.
As for going up on HHB, I personally prefer shev v’al taaseh because of the possible severe halachic prohibition. However, according to those poskim who allow and even encourage it, it is indeed proper as is going to the Kotel or the Maarat HaMachpela (and Bnei Beraq – remember they have made abundantly clear that they will not countenance any Jewish presence anywhere in EY
Joseph, what about those gedolim who supported Zionism? The Netziv, Rav Shlomo HaCohen of Vilna (who described a certain anti-Zionist book as heresy), Rav Kook, Rav Meir Simcha and Rav Soloveichik, to name a few.
As for the relations between Jews and Arabs in EY a few observations:
1. After WW1 the Arabs were divided into three factions. Emir Faisal was pro-Zionist and even signed a formal agreement with Chaim Weizman but later became King of Iraq and his brother Abdulla I was given what is now Jordan. and also favored accommodation. Haj Amin al-Husseini ym”s was virulently anti-Jewish and even collaborated in the Holocaust. The Nashishibi clan was in favor of a political compromise with the Zionists. In order to balance the two groups the British made al-Husseini Grand Mufti of Yerushalayim (despite coming in last in the election) and Raghib al-Nashashibi the Mayor. The Husseini and Nashishibi groups eventually fought a bloody civil war.
2. The British knew in advance about the Hebron massacre but not only did nothing but forced Hagana troops who had offered protection to leave the city (they were also rebuffed by the head of the community who trusted the Arab notables).
3. Before the end of the Mandate British secret agents incited Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt to attack the nascent Jewish state with promises that they each would be given territory. This was due to the fact that Britain and France were vying for influence in the Middle East and the agents thought that this would insure that the entire region become a British sphere of influence.
DY, the Rosh on “Shenaim Ochazim” explains that the rationale of “kol d’alim gevar” is that someone will fight harder for what is his. This was shown in the Kotel controversy. When the Arabs saw that the Jews were willing to fight over it they backed down. Tzvi Fishman has an excellent parable about this in his anthology “Days of Mashiach”. A man knocked on someone’s door and informed him that he was the true owner of the TV. Not wanting to make a fuss the man handed it over. In the weeks that followed the same individual made similar demands. He then demanded the man’s wife. Finally he demanded the whole apartment. This is known as “give him an inch and he will take a mile”
One Liner, that nonsense has been rebutted on another thread. So you tell me being that DY did not answer. Was Dreyfus responsible for enraging the anti-Semites by joining the French army? Is someone who wears a black suit and hat responsible for enraging anti-Semites who see him? Does a wife who overcooks dinner responsible if her husband becomes enraged and beats her c”v? Perhaps yeshiva guys are guilty of enraging people by not joining the IDF.
We need both. If someone is really learning and has a future as a Tora leader he should receive a deferment. However, if he is slacking off he should join the IDF and then get a profession and a job.
Golfer, that statement is in the Yalkut Shimoni (Yeshayahu Remez 503).The Baal HaTanya (Likutei Tira Masai 89,2) explains that that means that Hashem’s light will appear in Chutz laAretz without anything blocking it, However, our national home will be the area promised to Avraham Avinu.
Rav Sonnenfeld also refused to sign the declaration giving the Kotel to the Arabs. Anyone who thinks that the Arabs were good people and friendly towards Jews should read books like “In Ishmael’s House”. This thread sounds to me like Stockholm syndrome.
DY, you are stonewalling. Your sheeta is that it is prohibited to do an action that provokes antiSemites. Thus, it is prohibited to walk in an area where there are anti-Semites, certainly during a riot, wearing clothes that identify one as a Jew. Thus someone who does so is responsible for what happens to him. Mendelsohn agreed with your sheeta and counseled assimilation but the Dreyfus affair showed that he was wrong. Being that we are discussing it, was Dreyfus responsible for being sent to Devil’s Island because he provoked anti-Semites by joining the French army?
DY, why not lesheetatcha?
DY, was Yankel Rosenbaum responsible for his own murder for walking in Crown Heights visibly Jewish?
Charlie, once again, what is the difference to the victim if he was socked because he is a Jew or because someone wants his money? The fact of the matter is that the crime rate, including terror attacks, in Israel is much lower than in any American city.
DY, the only culpability of a Jew who goes up on HHB is going there – and that is only according to the opinion that it is prohibited. That is clear to any thinking person. If someone shakes a lilav before the time (let’s say that he follows a different definition of netz) and someone else hits him is the shaker to blame for anything but possibly shaking the lulav before the time?