Im not going to comment on the back and forth here because its not going to help you.

My advice is to use that day to ask Hashem to show you the real truth. You dont have to daven the whole thing or if you want to keep on asking Hashem to show you the truth and to have good emunah. Get a book that proves the Torah is divine and read it the whole day.

This is to the starter of this thread and whoever else is being ridiculously ignorant in regard to this situation.

1. You are basing your claims of massive chillul hashem on news reports when you have no idea what happened on the flight.

2.Please do not blame the yeshiva. I myself can tell you that i have been on many flights in my life and bochurim from “top yeshivos” also cause problems on planes by blocking aisles trying to make minyanim, blocking the bathrooms when davening,etc. Even after the pilot came out and tried to make them sit down – they did not listen. That is a true chilul hashem.

Again you have no idea what happened on the plane and you are using it as an excuse to bash the Yeshiva of Flatbush.

If you want i can tell you many more stories of kids from top yeshivas acting very rowdy in very serious holy places.So please take it back and move along.

@benignuman –

if i remember correctly i saw in Sefer Nitei Gavriel the source of the minhag is Yitzchak Avine leading Rivkah into his tent after she came to the fields to see him.Pretty sure.

@Shmendrik –

Do you really think that our “gedolim” are on the level of Moshe Rabbenu?!

Actually they are not.Not even close.Moshe was a rea leader of Klal Yisroel.People actually listened to him. Today we have gedolim in torah but not in leadership and people in America def dont listen to them so they are not our leaders.Please tell me the last time you followed a gadol’s psak against the internet,cell phones,way of dress,not working,etc,etc?

The Gaon was a huge tzaddik but it also doesnt make sense just to follow him over the baal shem tov.The way yeshivas learn today and teach Hashkfah(minus Emunah) is not the way the Vilna Gaon had planned.Even in Volizhin they learned a daf a day with rishonim.We made up our own system though.

I usually dont sign on to this place anymore but once in awhile ill frequent in here and give a few words.

I went to a couple “popular yeshivas”..lots of guys in the yeshivas were in other yeshivas previously that deal with drug problem,etc and then they got back in to it.They were the greatest guys i know.So solid and very shtark.

Basically,there are a couple of things you have to find out?

1.What type of drugs he was on?

Nowadays marijauna/pot isnt considered such a big deal.I can say that i smoke pot 5 times in my life with no after effects and im fine,married,learning,it wasnt even a phase – just wanted to see what it was.I would say guys in yeshivas try these things but keep it hidden more than you would think.

If its just weed/marijuana then its really not a big deal at all.If it was pills or much heavier drugs that involve needles and cost thousands of dollars to keep the habit then it becomes much bigger.

Also did he go to rehab?

All in all,i know lots of these types of guys and they are awesome.His phase was probably in High School..high school isnt fun…it was probably just experimenting,etc.

Tell her to go out with him and eventually if they continue she could speak to him about it.I spoke to my wife when i was dating about pretty much everything i did.

and last but not least,dont believe psychologists.

when u wear colored clothes

when u realize that people who told u the govt in Israel is the worst thing is like the dumbest thing to believe.

Our schools curriculum has been wack for years already.There’s no need for all this.Ive been saying ti for years,Kids dont need to be learning Babva metzie in 5th grade…teach them Berachos,stories,about tzaddikim,keep them busy and frum enough until they are older and really want it..or else they go wild.

just walking around and seeing every1 light is awesome.There are usually a couple of concerts in jerusalem

let her live and dream.She’s going to get old soon and realize whats up.I wouldnt worry about this to much.I can think of 8 million more things to worry about.Peace.

Being here 5 years i can tell u some things.

If u trust ur kid in the states.Trust him/her to.If she’s normal she wont get into to much trouble.Everything is an experience.Dont be surprised if she gets drunk once.

U dont need anything American except for clothing and some toiletries.There are many stores in jerusalem that sell all American products but a lil more expensive.

The main thing is to watch her money.Only give certain amounts.She should take busses and not be scared.The whole Israel is on busses all day.

Girls eat more than guys becuz their schedules permit it.She”ll learn how to cook a little and she’ll figure out the rest in due time.

Call her everyday so she doesnt get homesick and dont get nervous when u hear of something bad happening in Israel.Chances are she wasnt close.

Many times frantic mothers called me looking for their sons…thinking they would be in Tel Aviv at the nearest terror attack rachmana litzlan for no reason at all.

Hashem watches over Eretz Yisroel.Just chill.

Yeshivas nowadays are more interested in learning Lamdanus for some reason.Shabbos just doesnt have enough.Oy.

No thats not what im saying.Im just saying that we have to be careful of the sheitels that are worn and what women are wearing them with.The real problem is that sheitels make a girl look single.If a girl who is 24,25 who is married and is walking around but without her kid/kids….and her sheitel is done right she can look like a single girl which could be a problem.

Some women look like models in sheitels and some look like good girls.

Peeace.

Im sure Rav Moshe thought of that but maybe he didnt realize that soon women will start to dress more and more provocative.

This is response to Pashutayid…..

Im well aware that Rav moshe gave a heter to wear a sheite,my mother wears one and my sister wears one.The point is besides the heter,think for yourself..Men look at women in shietels more than they look at women in tichels.Its a sad truth.

There is a crisis but its not a full one..the people that are in the crisis i think eventually get married.The main key is that people must let go of their “(insert your fav non bad word here”)and go out and think and look and chilll and daven tons and be a good jew and dont give up because ive been out with lots of girls..some i really wanted to marry ..then u bump into them a year later and you cry so much because hashem saved u so good.Peace.

every shaitel is very natural looking….thats the issue with them.Tell her to get extensions or loook on the internet.

You should change your bad habits b4 u get married.Im not talking about stupid little things…like serious bad habits..when you have a wife with you things are harder to change while u r trying to build a steady stable relationship.Im not married but i can imagine.

Basically,just realize that if you dont start doing things..things arent going to happen.I dont know if you are married but its hard to change bad habits once you are married and it will reflect in your marriage.Lists sometimes work but basically when u have a thought to do something..just do it.Peace.

Because i Smoke.i always tell shadchanim that i smoke and to tell the girls and i still get dates bh.Most time i smoke on dates if im comfortable and she is to…i date in a diff. setting than most people here..Israel…when you date in Israel its very diff. chill than in NY.