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I know this couple they are very straight and don’t know from shtick. They might have decided to go on TV because the case was bumped up sooner and their case might have been on a long waiting list in small claims court. i can’t figure out any other reason for it, or that they would get compensation either way.
I also love Rabbi Rietti and Rabbi Brecher. They make me laugh, listen and learn!
I think that everything happens for a reason. If I found it, I must have found it for a reason. I might have to pass it on, or it might be the penny I put in the pushka, or it might bring someone good luck. I don’t know why it is there in front of me. Maybe Hashem is testing me and if I pick it up, he will put something better in my path the next time. Who knows? Only Hashem, so he does his part and I have to do mine.
TMB, for one thing all those who condemned SMR, why didn’t they get on line and ask mechilah, that was far worse than this.
For another, R’ Hoffman proved nothing except that after much thought and probably advisement from others and maybe he himself, they came up with new answers. He did not answer or address any of the issues that came up in court nor any of the Judge’s questions. Maybe if he had his story would have some credibility. I give him credit for trying to help this couple whether they came to him or he offered, but I don’t believe he is helping them in the end if he is not offering the absolute truth and only helping to spin a larger web knowingly or not.
He would be better off advising them to apologize to the olam as well as the court for misleading them and for taking this issue public on national TV instead of asking their Rav to begin with how to handle it. Even if they don’t admit that they mislead the court, even if they only apologize for taking this public and for not asking their Rav how to handle it, that would be enough for everyone to shut up.
There are just too many discrepancies in this story and Georgie is just put into a terrible position here which she shouldn’t be. She should not be forced to speak to anyone and corroborate anyone’s story. The truth will come out in the end, someone at Georgie’s salon will eventually talk about it, and will eventually tell someone the truth because there is no way to keep all the juicy details to themselves forever. So if Georgie is fibbing to help this couple out of this mess, that too will surface and that will come back to slap her in the face for trying to do a good deed. Remember no good deed goes unpunished. So if R’ Hoffman wants to help, he should leave Georgie out of it because no good will come of it. Had the couple gone to Georgie with the ruined wig, and had she replaced it at cost with the wig that Heidi was wearing, she would be so gracious as to give her a statement to the fact to begin with. Why wouldn’t she? It would only show her goodness and generosity to the court and the public. Everyone knows that she is a chesedik person. Again this whole story does not ring true no matter how R’ Hoffman tries to make it sound plausible, it just isn’t and the more he tries, the more he allows the couple to lie. It is better to stop asking them question than force them to lie more.
TMB, Not exactly so. There are many people who have come out and said the Judge was wrong and stated their case all over again.
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JD, YOU obviously don’t know much about Rabbi Weinreb!
TMB, in all honesty, what should be more important to the Frum couple at that point? Getting the few dollars or clearing their good name?
TMB, just answering Hello99, not googling. It has everything to do with Kashrus. Rabbi Dr. Weinreb served as the Executive Vice President of the OU, the Kashrus organization this thread is about. A question was raised about the OU in Israel. I responded and my response was negated by 2 posters. One by saying that they spoke to someone who “used” to work at the OU in Israel but failed to say in what position and why they left and another who said that Rabbi Weinreb was not involved in Kashrus. I jsut proved that not on is Rabbi Weinreb involved in Kashrus but his position was at the top level.
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Rabbi Weinreb served as Executive Vice President of the Orthodox Union from January 1, 2002 until April 1, 2009. In that role, he led the multi-purpose agency which represents and serves Orthodox Jewry through hundreds of synagogues across North America and beyond. From kosher food supervision to youth, public policy and social action programming, the OU is one of the largest and most vibrant Jewish organizations in the world today.
A talented teacher, writer and orator, Rabbi Weinreb was previously the spiritual leader of Congregation Shomrei Emunah in Baltimore, MD, which he joined in January, 1989.
His recent public appearances include addresses at Cambridge University and the Democratic National Convention. He received awards from numerous Jewish institutions, and he was recognized for his religious public service with a medal presented to him by Pope Benedict XVI.
Rabbi Weinreb is Rabbinic Liaison for NEFESH, the North American Network of Orthodox Mental Health Professionals. He served on the Rabbinic Cabinet of United Jewish Communities, on the Executive Committee of the Rabbinical Council of America, and on the boards of various other organizational and educational institutions.
vick’s vaporub does help. There are lozenges that help as well. Ask your pharmacist.
pba, the difference between girls and women is the cost of their “Jewels”!
s-h mum, I call that insurance.
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wanderingchana, well if you rarely wear them you would have no reason to buy more. But if you wore them regularly you would know and realize that in most cases they don’t usually last that long, or the styles change, etc. By 10 or 13 years, you usually add on or have a larger collection. That’s all I’m saying.
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AC, this is true. Also, I was wondering how many women who are married for 10 years own only 1 wig and 1 fall? That didn’t ring true with me either. It just didn’t make sense to me.
I emailed Rabbi Weinreb last year before my trip to Israel to ask about it. He said it is absolutely reliable and it is the same OU as in the states. You can absolutely rely on it.
lkwdfellow, YOU had the best idea. GPS is the best gift for a man!!!!
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Wolf, my point was not to reassure yourself that the organizations are good. My point was to concentrate on the “act” of charity at that point so you cover all the bases.
AC, you have a very good point there. But since she felt that the plaintiffs tried to scam the defendants and tried to trick the court which was not only insulting but was probably perjury, she probably felt the best thing to do was not reward them anything since they would be getting compensation for being on the show regardless.
BP, nice idea, but who cleans up after the pony? That would be a gift with strings attached.
Lets give Judge Milian the respect she deserves because she is indeed a Judge so lets address her properly whether you agree with her decision or not. Oomis, she found in favor of the defendant, she did not dismiss it without prejudice.
It is a chilul Hashem because as the Editor said, it might get more media attention and might not die here. We all have our own opinions here. I personally have watched this show on many occasions and I do have an idea of how fair this judge is and how she works. I do feel she did her job and did it fairly like she normally does. There is no difference in the way she handled this case from the way she handles any other case, and it is sad that Yidden keep pulling the anti-semite card. Yidden are not automatically right just because we are Yidden. If the defendant were other Jews, you would sing a different tune. You are all choosing to call the Judge a liar as well as the defendants only because the plaintiffs appear to be “ehrlich” yidden and that is biased.
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Wolf, I don’t see the problem here. As you said you get a receipt in the mail from the organizations that you give to. Why not take a few minutes of your time when those receipts come back and give some thought to those particular organizations and what they are doing and what the people they are helping and you are helping need, and why you should continue helping them. Then mark them down on your list of organizations to include in your auto-pay program.
In that way you are involving yourself in the purpose of giving the tzedaka while doing it in the way that is most functional for you.
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Ties, really, really, cool ties, Pucci, Hermes, etc.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. As far as Judge Milian’s credentials are concerned you can find them on the webpage for the show. She is in fact a Judge and she served on the bench in Miami. I can’t comment on former Mayor Ed Koch who might have been hired for his political view points and entertainment value. Anything you want to know about the show can be found on the web page.
I imagine that Rabbi V can answer some questions as well, since he has a personal experience with the show.
MW13, “And anyways, I seem to remember a specific post of yours complaining that the Mods weren’t posting your comments against Rabbonim”.
Wrong again, What I said was, that if I had actually bashed Rabbonim the Mods would not have posted it! And no I have only one screen name. I don’t know who luchos is.
MW13 and the other two who keep harping on this. I’m done with this L”H. None of you can prove that I did it because I didn’t. And I have already proved it because it is against the CR rules and it would never have been posted. So stop already what you are saying is untrue and what you are saying is that the CR allows such comments to be posted which is also not true. So can you please stop with these lies already?
Shloimy and his wife are real mentchin who give back to the community.
It is not important who it is. Someone just pointed something out to me. I should have made it clear that I am only speaking about the video and not speaking about the entire incident which no one will ever know the complete truth about. Anyone who wishes to comment about the VIDEO should go back and view it before twisting the truth about what occurred ON THE VIDEO. On the video, the Judge clearly states that she read off the ticket numbers and info on the phone. And on the video it clearly indicates her dismay at what happened to the wig. What actually occurred in the courtroom is only known to those present in the courtroom.
As far as whether or not this thread should continue or be shut down, the comments I made regarding Georgie’s statement etc. I was referring to the comments made here on this thread only as I have no clue about any comments made elsewhere, nor do I care about any loshon horah being spoken about this issue. I still concur with Eclipse and feel that whatever was said here is quite enough to embarrass the couple and can’t even begin to imagine what kind of embarrassment they have been going through in the real world. So personally I would say that they have been through enough and it is time to close this down, it doesn’t really serve any purpose to keep it open other than to continue to hurt these people who must already realize by now that they have made some errors in judgment.
I don’t want to comment on the couple any further I would just like to say that with everything and every other thread words are twisted, facts are twisted and people say what they want to say without proof, without logic and without any truth behind it. So all I would like to ask is that anyone who wishes to comment should please just watch the video again carefully to see for themselves what actually occurred. The judge said she “read the tickets off the wig to the person on the other end and they said it was not one of their wigs”. I am not going to say that Georgie lied because there is no reason for her to do so and she is a great person. I don’t know who the person was who answered the phone, but the Judge has no reason to lie either and if you watch the video again carefully the judge was appalled that the laundress would be so foolish as to wash the wig IN THE WASHING MACHINE with DETERGENT so she was siding with the couple before she called the wig shop! That’s it. It is what it is and it was discussed to death. I am sure the couple regret having taken their private business public and I am sure they would appreciate if we stop discussing it. The moderators have the option of allowing this discussion to continue or to end it here and now. Does it help anyone to continue it? Is there a lesson to be learned from this? Yes we have already discussed it? Can there be more harm done if this thread continues? Well probably because a lot has already been said. The couple have already been bashed. The judge has been called a liar and an anti-semite. Georgie has put out a statement. I believe everything that could have been said has been said. And as Eclipse has brilliantly said, the embarrassment has surely been punishment enough.
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Please refer to Moderator 80’s post.
This is your last warning aries.
There was no mention of a serial number. There was no identification tag that identified it as a Georgie wig.
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TheChevra,
I highly doubt that anyone at Geogie would tell you anything and if they did why would they tell you the truth? It would be a very simple thing for Heidi to have told the judge and even the interviewer, “look right here inside the wig it says “Georgie”! so here is the proof that it is a Georgie wig!
Whoever you claim that you spoke to, and I am not saying that YOU are lying, but whomever you claim you spoke to might have received many phone calls and is tired of being accused of helping to “hurt” this couple so they are saying that the Judge lied.
Now lets look at this objectively. What reason would the judge have to lie about this? She was actually siding with the couple and was very upset that the laundress washed the wig. She felt it was very stupid of them to do so. So why would she change her mind about it, unless she actually phoned Georgie because of the receipt and was given a reason to change her mind? What you are saying is totally illogical. The judge did not have a horse in the race and did not gain anything one way or the other. However, if I remember correctly both parties do get paid to appear on TV whether they win or lose. So even though the couple lost, they stayed calm with the judgment because they knew they were wrong and they made something on the appearance anyway.
yada, yada, yada, Helpful, no one believes you anymore. You are just showing your true colors the more you keep it up. You have yet to prove the loshon horah you say. The only thing you are proving is that you are really speaking about yourself.
This couple went public and they put themselves in a public forum. I would not have posted their video but since it was posted and it was asked what we thought about it I guess they themselves made themselves fair game for comment especially because it was a foolish thing they did and especially because they lied. It was not an important issue like for instance molestation that would help other victims, it wasn’t important to go public to warn others. They went public for their own selfish reasons and by doing so made themselves a target for ridicule and discussion.
They are going to be a lesson for others about what not to do and how not to make a chilul hashem.
I was very young, in my twenties, when I had my first trip. My husband had promised to take me on a short trip and my first trip was to E”Y. I was terrified! I took benedryl or something like that to calm my nerves. I told my mother that she would have to bring my kids to E”Y if I was too scared to get on the plane to come back. When the security lady started asking me questions I told her this was my first airplane trip and if she asked me anymore questions I would throw up or pass out right then and there. She passed me through on the spot.
I would suggest a short flight first just to get acclimated and make a list of what your fear is really about. Is it the plane itself? Is it the take off and landing? Is it being in the air? I love to fly now. Everything I was afraid of in the beginning I really love now. So try to list all the things that you think you are afraid of because it is all in your thoughts.
Then try to work through them one by one.
Take off is like a rush, something like an express elevator going to the top floors. You are up in the air within a few seconds and don’t even realize it.
Being in the air is like some kind of special treat. You are flying among clouds, you feel so close to Hashem and his miracles. You feel like you are among soft but huge cotton balls just surrounding you and cushioning you through your journey. Of course you can experience some bumps along the way, just like in your car, but that is Hashem reminding you that he is there so don’t worry.
As you climb to your altitude or you start your decent, you see the miracle of the world Hashem created. It is quite amazing to see the landscape of the world. It is really divided into squares and rectangles according to the lay of the land and the direction that land grows just like on a map. Mountains are spectacular just like in the pictures, and as you get closer, the lights of the cities are amazing. To see how cities are constructed, the roads and highways, layouts of homes and commercial areas, as you get even closer you see trees and backyards with pools … you can start reading signs on hotels and stores. It is truly amazing and then within seconds you land and you think that’s it, my view is over? We are here? Well not quite because you have all the time in the middle when you are in the air, reading or sleeping, or watching tv, or a movie. Or listening to your partner snore, or people chatting, or babies crying or other normal sounds.
So Hatzlocha, enjoy your journey and you will get to your destination safely to start that adventure whatever that is. Take along your favorite pillow because the pillow they give you is flimsy, wear comfortable clothing. Wear layers so you can take off your sweater if you are warm and you can ask for a blanket if you are cold (if it is a long trip). Take along ear plugs if you want to sleep and an eye mask.
smartcookie, it might be cute to you because it wasn’t aimed at you. I am sick and tired of her attacks and “cute remarks” as well as those coming from “helpful”. It is wrong, hurtful and annoying. I am two months into aveilus for my mother. I am in a lot of emotional pain right now and all these comments really hurt to the core. They are untrue and if you knew how much they hurt you wouldn’t think they were cute!
Each time I write something to ask them to prove it and try to explain what I said, the moderators choose not to post it and that hurts as well. I am almost ready to walk away from this forum. But I do find some comfort here from some of the posters and I do find that I have been helpful and useful here to some of the posters. So I am not sure what to do.
I also want to make something very clear. Judge Millan is in fact a judge and once you step away from the bench you do not lose that title, you keep it whether you are presiding as a judge or an arbitrator. In this case even though her purpose is an arbitrator and that is what all parties have agreed to, she in fact is ruling as a judge and following the laws of the state and the city, which is her job, her right and prerogative as the arbitrator.
As I stated before, she caught something early on which many of you seemed not to and that was the fact that Heidi adamantly stated that she owned only two pieces one wig and one fall. But she kept referring to the ruined piece as a “wig”. That in itself sent up some red flags. The fact that she would bring in only one receipt and not “all” the receipts was also a give-away. If you are coming to court, you come prepared. “Look your honor, a wig costs this much, a fall costs this much, etc.” After all, you are teaching the judge something she would otherwise have no knowledge about. And since you are on TV you are teaching thousands of people as well. Why should anyone believe you at your word. In addition, wouldn’t you want to look your best not only in appearance? Wouldn’t you want to show your smarts as a Jew? Why didn’t they bring in proof from a professional that the wig was ruined? After all they were relating their story to thousands of people.
To Bob, Any Rav would recognize the validity of the LAW and would see right through this couple’s story. It would not stand up in a beis din either. The judge did everything appropriate and a Rav would have asked the same questions. That is why the RAV would have stood by the Judge’s decision. To remark that a Rav would not stand by a goyish Judge’s decision against a Jew is foolhardy and disrespectful to any honest and respectable Rav. Why should a Rav trust a fellow Jew who lied and tried to cheat honest people out of money because of a mistake they made. And Jews who chose to go on TV because they wanted their 15 minutes of fame. Maybe you should reconsider that.
I just want to mention something my kids told me. My grandchildren have been exposed to this goyish song on the school bus by their driver. Yup! They all knew it with the goyish words!!! Now they all B”H have the Jewish version they can sing on the bus!!
Mike, I refrain from comment.
commonsense, the judge did not say the bill was for a long sheitel. The judge said the bill was for a Georgie sheitel, and that there is not marking on the ruined sheitel that would determine it to be a Georgie wig. Therefore the judge determined that the sheitel the lady was wearing was probably the expensive Georgie wig!