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The problem with getting caught up in the “looks” issue is that everyone has a different opinion of what good looking is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has a right to get married even someone who is not so good looking. But what you might overlook when “looks” are at the top of your list is that you might be passing up the most wonderful person who’s midos far outshine his looks and maybe when you get to know him you will find his charm to be very appealing and it makes him quite handsome after all. Would you rather have a handsome man that treats you like his servant or a not such a good looking guy that treats you like a queen. Sometimes that is something worth considering.
aries2756ParticipantBecause Hashem created men and women differently and he gave each their own set of mitzvos pertaining to their gender as well as mitzvos for ALL to follow. The mitzvos he gave each gender pertain to their particular weaknesses and strengths and what HE made them capable of. Why do women bare the children and the men never have to feel the pain of childbirth? Because of Chava’s sin. With that comes a whole set of mitzvos pertaining only to women. Men have the mitzvo of bris and that is obviously something women can’t do.
Judaism did not separate the genders Hashem did, and the laws he gave us are designed to serve HIM to the best of OUR abilities.
aries2756ParticipantEclipse, I know that I don’t have to spell it out for you, YOU have a support system here. You can whine to us and blow off steam and ask for advice if you need to. We are here for you. You are going to ride the waves for a while so get yourself a surfboard you will need something to hang on to. But I guess we will do just as well if not better.
Take a deep breath and take it one day at a time, things can change on a dime and you have to be aware of the changes good and bad. If possible allow her friends to come over so you get to know them and so she doesn’t feel you are rejecting her or them. If they are by you then you know where they are. If you start talking to the boys and gain their respect they might have more respect for your daughter as well. If you are the good listener and the adult with the large shoulders and open heart, you might help more than just your own child. It is going to take some time and lots of baby steps. She didn’t go OTD overnight and she isn’t about to turn around overnight and she probably won’t trust you overnight either. So just hang in there and don’t give up. (just saying, I know you won’t).
aries2756ParticipantOnly Hashem is perfect, to strive for perfection is a losing battle. We must learn to be the best we can be, and then keep learning to be better.
Of course people would rather NOT choose to blame themselves but that is what keeps them “stuck” in whatever situations they are in that sends them for therapy in the first place. It is only when a person is ready to be responsible and accountable that they will be able to make lasting changes.
aries2756ParticipantTake a break, walk around the corner and come back to it. then just start putting it together and don’t fret it doesn’t have to be perfect. You have the ability to go back and polish it up. The important thing to do is just start. Do the “fun” part first so you get into it and leave the boring parts for last once you got your groove.
aries2756ParticipantTeachers who don’t know an answer should simply say “that’s a good question but I simply don’t know the answer” or “I don’t have an answer for that but I can do some research and get back to you”.
Such a teacher makes a child feel respected and worthwhile and not put off for having a question. Not everyone has an answer or can think of an answer on the spot. Not every child need an instant answer on the spot. But if they work together they will have a happier outcome.
aries2756ParticipantIsn’t she the baby that fell down a well?
aries2756ParticipantI never went to MASK meetings, although I did what I could to help through the emails.
Eclipse, as I said before, a friend of mind used to say “G-d don’t make no junk!”. I have never met a “bad” kid, just kids with “bad” problems..:)
aries2756Participanteclipse, if she is smoking, drugs are either in the picture or will be soon. If nothing else then pot for sure. Girls don’t leave their home at 3:00am and stay out all night because they are eating milk and cookies. Furthermore, they are not sleeping over at their girlfriends’ home so taking her to a gyn might be a good idea. Discuss that with her. Let her know that you have questions since she hasn’t been living with you and you are not sure how long this has been going on. Let her know that you love her and want to make sure that she is healthy and does not expose herself to any health risks or pregnancy. YOU ARE her mother and YOU have to think straight and not have blinders on. Sorry that I have to bring this up, but it is quite obvious what is going on. Girls are looking for love, compassion and affection because of their dysfunctional situation and are confused so they turn to the boys thinking they will get it from them. Boys make the same mistake. There is an old song “looking for love in all the wrong places”. And it describes our kids at risk to the tee. She is looking for a sense of normalcy and in her world at the moment that is what is normal. Unfortunately neither she nor the rest of her group will know understand that it is not until they are much older.
aries2756ParticipantEclipse, it sounds like your husband just dumped your child back in your lap because he wants nothing to do with her at this point, or he can’t handle her, or whatever. Does that mean he is giving up his guardianship? Make sure that you take care of legalities as well.
As far as your daughter is concerned, you didn’t give us an age, so I am guessing she is a young teenager. Unconditional love is the utmost importance. However, that doesn’t mean that YOU can or should allow her to do whatever she wants. There has to be ground rules especially due to her age. If she is a minor and gets into trouble YOU will be held responsible. If she gets hurt YOU will be held negligent and can be in a position where she or your other children wind up in the system.
Having said that be sure you tell her you love her always. Write her notes if she doesn’t sit down to talk to you. Let her know that YOU always wanted her and that you are happy she returned but sad that it happened under these circumstances. Tell her that you are her mother and will always love her no matter what, but that you fear for her safety and well being. That’s your job, that’s what mothers do. Mothers are very protective of their children, and that you tried your hardest to protect her all these years but under the circumstances YOU were not in control of the situation (which she probably knows).
Let her know that although you don’t approve of what she is doing you love her no matter what and you would like to set up an agreement with her that you can both be comfortable with. People that live together, families need to be considerate of each other and although she might know that she is ok, YOU do not know that and you are imagining all kinds of terrible scenarios when she disappears like that. Let her know that YOU can’t sleep if she is NOT at home safe and sound. Let her know that when your children were taken away from you, you were up many nights missing them and worrying about their health, safety and well being. Having her home again is like finding missing pieces to a puzzle and plugging up the empty holes in your heart, but when she does things that are dangerous it takes YOU back to very traumatic times.
You can be straightforward and honest with her because she WANTS to be treated as an adult. She THINKS she is acting like an adult by staying out all night and making her own choices. It is up to you to guide her to make better choices. That is not going to be easy.
What about school? Is she in school? Did she finish High School? Where is she holding with that? Who are her friends? Ask her about them, offer to meet them. Don’t be a stranger or the housekeeper you are her Mother and you have to integrate into her life. She is NOT in a hotel, she is in her home and a member of the family.
Does she allow you to hug her? Does she allow you to get close to her? This is an important question as well. If you can’t get close physically or verbally, leave her notes in her room, on her bed. Do small things for her that you remember she liked as a child. Her favorite food, cake or cookies. Her favorite fragrance.
Always Here, I too was on the MASK email forum. I advocated unconditional love no matter what. My words were always learn the difference between “Loving tough” and “tough love”. I advise love tough.
aries2756ParticipantThere is nothing wrong with coming as long as they do the work. Some parents don’t like to leave home and they prefer that the kids come, but that shouldn’t mean that the elderly mother or even NOT so elderly should do all the work!
On the other hand, some of us parents are ready, willing and able to go to our kids for Yomim Tovim.
aries2756ParticipantIt is a sign of immaturity to use “like and um” and it shows that you have taken notice and worked on yourself when you drop it from your vocabulary.
Whatever is another word that is used to “dis” people. “whatever” pushes people away and basically says “I don’t care”.
aries2756ParticipantAn exercise that works to calm someone especially in an anxiety attack is to try to hold hands look straight into their eyes and ask the person to breath with you. Then do deep breathing by breathing in through the nose hold for the count of 3 and then release slowly through your mouth. As s/he concentrates on following your breathing pattern s/he will calm down because whatever was triggering them will be replaced by this concentration.
aries2756ParticipantAJE, firstly Refuah Sheleimah for both you and your child, and may you experience a ZEESA Pesach. As I said, people have various reasons for doing what they do, and No ONE has a right to judge and should really just keep their opinions to themselves. That is why I tried to stop this entire thread by saying we have unfortunately done this before, etc., etc., etc.,
People are always judgmental until Hashem tests them with the nisyonos that others carry, it is only at that point that they begin to sing a different tune. Hashem has given you your own special angel. A tzadik in his own right because he himself would not be tested in this way if he weren’t. So please ignore the foolishness and ignorance of others and just surround yourself and your family with positive energy such as that which is showered upon you by the Chai Lifeline team. You must be very special people to have this challenge. So whatever avenues Hashem provides for you to make your life easier, happier or fun and exciting, follow those roads and enjoy the ride!!!
aries2756ParticipantOfcourse, my niece just got married at Tiferes Mordechai. To tell you the truth I didn’t love it because it is not up to MY standards. But it was fine. It is pretty. It was clean and the food was excellent. It is small and there are things they need to work on, but the problem was NOT really with the caterer it was with the baalas simcha. She invited too many guests and did not have enough seats for them because the Hall and caterer does not allow for it. HER head was on her previous weddings yet her budget was on this one. So again, the onus is on the parents.
aries2756ParticipantWeddings and setting up a home are two different things.
Setting up a home can also be done on a budget. You can budget your linens and buy on sale. I bought linens for my “daughter” an amazing your woman who I have mentored for 8 years, on-line for a fraction of the price I would have spent in a local store. I also found her furniture that others were giving away. We didn’t spend anything on furniture except for a leather couch that my husband paid for. Her parents paid for her mattresses. As far as other things, we collected things on sale and used coupons. He parents and friends helped shop for her and she was careful not to go overboard. And no, when you first get married you don’t need vochadik and Shabbos dishes. You can make do for a long while. There are a lot of things you can buy of quality on the cheap if you put an effort into it. Furthermore when you are on a budget you have a real awakening as to what you really need versus what you would like to have.
If your parents are not in a position to take you on a spending spree, then don’t fret. It can be done.
aries2756ParticipantI recommend you read the book “Choice Theory” by Dr. William Glaser. You would be very surprised to find out how much of what we do and what we experience is a matter of choice, and how we can Choose to do and react differently to what is going on around us.
aries2756ParticipantFor all those who said they would “NEVER” you have NOT gotten to that point yet. B”H you have NEVER experienced an illness or accident a few weeks before Pesach which renders the woman of the house incapable of pulling it off. And you have not gotten to that wonderful age where all your children are B”H married and with all the eineklech there is no home big enough to accommodate sharing Bubby and Zeidy for pesach, so you go to hotel where you can all be together for yom tov, including maybe a great grandparent and some aunts and uncles. Or maybe you have B”H not experienced the day when ALL your kids are in a difficult position where they are ALL going to their in-laws that year. Or you work so hard all year that it is impossible to make Pesach at home. Such as families where both parents work and happen to be accountants bogged down in tax season.
It is lovely to be home and a wonderful experience but when I am home I rarely step foot out of the kitchen even with help. It is also wonderful to be at the hotel because I get to rest and am not in charge of cooking or cleaning, although the seder experience itself is different, yet one can go to many different shiurim that I wouldn’t go to at home because I go from kitchen to bed to shower to kitchen to bed to shower….. And of course I get to meet wonderful and amazing other yiddin that I wouldn’t normally have the opportunity to meet.
And like I told Esther Malka. WE have already had this discussion last year and probably the year before. The pros and cons, the cons and pros, the “never” and the “its great”.
aries2756ParticipantFor me its a toss up between Wolf and Eclipse. I can always count on them to be the voice of reason.
aries2756ParticipantDC, I am sure that you did it he cheapest way possible for you, according to your likes and dislikes. But I have made weddings that didn’t cost me that much and I was just involved in a wedding for one of my “kids” that has been together with me for 8 years and it didn’t cost him that much. It cost him a little over $20,000.
Again, it depends on the venue, the caterer, how much you budget for flowers, music, photography, liquor, and how many guests you invite. If you can’t afford 400 guests, then don’t invite them. I just told a relative of mine that whoever didn’t come to the last wedding, remove them from the guest list v’gamarnu. That is how you chisel down your list. Stop inviting people because you were once friends with them. Don’t invite everyone in the shul because you say good Shabbos to them. How many times do you get an invitation and you have to figure out who the people are? How many times do you get an invitation and you wonder why they invited you. How many times do you feel obligated to go to a simcha but don’t really want to go and cut out at the very first opportunity. Well guess what others feel the same way, so take a good hard look at your list and make sure the people you invite truly want to participate.
aries2756ParticipantTT, why are the caterers at fault? They deserve to make a living the same as everyone else. They have expenses as well. Just because the price is high that doesn’t mean they are making a fortune. Shop around and choose a caterer and a venue you can afford.
If you want a fancy wedding then you have to pay the price. Why should YOU be treated like a Queen if you don’t want to pay for it? If you want ordinary prices then realize that YOU are an ordinary person that can’t afford extraordinary frills. Its as simple as that. If you pay $10,000 for a Kleinfeld gown, then why should the caterer have rachmonus on you? Or the band or the photographer for that matter? Keep it simple all the way around and you won’t go overboard. Go overboard and you will drag everyone with you.
I have been to many a plain wedding with silk flowers in a small hall with a cold smorg, etc. And guess what? The couple are still married, with a beautiful family!!!! Isn’t that the point????? I have also been to these fancy weddings where the parents blew $50,000 and upwards on a wedding that didn’t last a year. Guess what it had nothing to do with the kids. It was a beautiful, enchanting evening out for my husband and me, and all my friends at the expense of the hostess. It could have been a holiday get away, or a vacation with a dress up night, or a fancy ball, a presidential dinner, or whatever but again, it had very little to do with the bride and groom.
March 25, 2011 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm in reply to: Frum Company Owner Ripping Off Employees – What to Do??? #752626aries2756ParticipantDY, sometimes. No just kidding. But curious as to why if someone already asked the sheilah, why come to the CR and ask what others would do. What is the point of that? To see who would do the right think according to his Rav and who does the wrong thing? Check human nature? See if he is as human as the next guy?????
Why not just come out and say, here is an interesting situation that happened to me. I asked my Rav what to do and this is what he said. I thought I would share it with the rest of you. Others can then offer their opinion and say that IS interesting I would have thought…..or thanks for telling me, I might have reacted differently if I came upon such a situation had you not told us what your Rav said, etc.
March 25, 2011 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm in reply to: Frum Company Owner Ripping Off Employees – What to Do??? #752623aries2756ParticipantIf you already asked the sheila, what was the answer?
aries2756ParticipantIf a birthday candle is lit with the intention of it to be blown out what exactly is the problem? A candle that is lit with the intention of it to be burning and giving light I can understand where there is a problem to blow out. But the intention of a birthday candle is to be lit and blown out so why should that be an inyan at all?
aries2756ParticipantI agree with flyer, lets take the blame off the “kids”. Kids don’t ask for a huge wedding, only that their friends are there. They don’t have 250 couples, they usually have 10 to 15 couples. The rest are the parents’ guests. The kids want a dance floor so the wedding is lebedig. Other than that they don’t get involved in the hall. Again that is the parents’ business. So lets address the adults here. Whom are you trying to impress, seriously.
Why do you have to make the wedding of YOUR dreams? Why do YOU have to invite everyone you know and then some? Why do YOU have to top your sister, neighbor and friend in shul? Or even try to do the same thing? Look at your own finances and how close your own next simcha is and stay within your own budget. Go to a gmach for gowns if you can’t afford to buy them. Use less expensive flowers if you want real ones or go to a gmach that arranges to get flowers from a simcha the night before. Invite only the have to’s and leave the want to’s for the chupa or dessert. Although the music is very important the pictures are the only thing that lasts forever (along with the marriage) so invest where it is important to invest. And NO it is not necessary or even important to keep the liquor flowing. You don’t need an open bar. Wine is enough you don’t have to serve alcohol which is again a huge expense. You don’t have to have 10 hot dishes at the smorg but do keep in mind that people are coming hungry from work, and you should feed them.
You don’t have to serve a 5 course meal, and chicken will do. You also don’t have to give out fancy benchers. You can use standard tablecloths and dishes. And guess what, no one will remember. They will only remember how amazing the Choson and Kallah were.
aries2756ParticipantPeople have already come up with a plan. They invite their nearest and dearest for the dinner and the rest either to the chupa or simchas chason v’kallah. It has become perfectly acceptable to do so.
aries2756ParticipantMikehall, I tip my hat to you!!!
aries2756ParticipantHow does an anonymous letter help? If someone wronged you, let them know what they did wrong and give them an opportunity to ask mechilah. If the letter is anonymous you do not give them the opportunity to make it right.
March 24, 2011 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759852aries2756ParticipantOh please, I just checked out the photos of the vandalism. This wasn’t a bus shelter. This was on a building. These heroes climbed up on a soda machine to actually reach this advertisement and even spray painted the faces of the models. They were wearing clothes, tops, dresses and pants, not underwear or bathings suits which is what one can assume from their actions. This whole entire billboard could have been ignored since one has to look up to see it. This was completely done out of mischief and not out of heroism. They are wrong and should be punished. They are no better than graffiti artists defacing other people’s property.
March 24, 2011 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753571aries2756ParticipantOfcourse, again I say take it up with the Rosh Yeshiva especially if it is ruining the sholom bayis of the mishpacha.
March 24, 2011 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759845aries2756ParticipantIf you paint over a billboard don’t you think people will go closer to take a look at what was covered up? Ignoring it, or covering it with a tarp, or calling the company asking them to exchange the ad with a children or men’s clothing ad would have served the community better.
What they did was draw more attention to it and give H&M more publicity.
aries2756ParticipantAre you also hyperventilating? That could explain the light headedness.
March 24, 2011 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753558aries2756ParticipantTry role reversal. Move to Lakewood and have the kids support you. I have news for you. I did not support my kids and when my third married child bought his house and my friend called to give me mazal tov, I told her what is the mazal tov for? I have 3 kids with mortgages I am never going to sleep again!!!!!!!!!!!! And don’t think we didn’t go through the wringer 2 years ago when the economy crashed. Two of my kids were at risk of losing their homes. Its no joke. B”H they are back on their feet again, but for a long time we were very, very scared.
There is nothing you can do but let them suffer through it. You can’t spread yourselves so thin that you will go into debt or put yourselves into an early grave. If they can’t afford it they can’t have it. Let them learn to deal with it and stop looking at what others have. “Live the Torah life and don’t be mekaneh other people. If Hashem wanted you to have what they have he would have made you them and them you.” Tell them to get chizuk from the Rosh Yeshiva or be mispallel for what they want.
aries2756Participantmsseeker, as long as EH responds to me, I will reply, thank you very much. And yes, although that is very rude of you and uncalled for, for your information I have admitted that I was wrong when I was and I have apologized for it, have you and because you have mentioned it and brought it up has Esther (sorry Esther this question is not really directed to you or about you it is an issue with msseeker)?
anon1m0us, kids are NOT invited to a bris, a bris is announced and friends are informed. People choose to bring their kids. The tables are set up for adults and there might be a kids table set up with cereals, etc. When was the last time you made a bris? And YOU are mixing apples and oranges when you speak about taking kugel from a child and giving it to an adult. It is NOT shayach.
Furthermore, a member of a shul certainly has more of a right to a seat than a non-member and certainly an adult who pays membership fees, more than a child if you want to discuss chiyuvim. Esther still has not answered whether or not she indeed is a member of that shul.
Esther, we have a huge difference of opinion here. Maybe because we see things differently or maybe because we have an age gap, or maybe because we were raised differently in different generations. I have no issue with you personally we just don’t see eye to eye and I don’t ever wish to have an issue with you personally. I refuse to allow others to make this a personal issue between us. I hope we are at least on the same page about this.
aries2756ParticipantI was always the “youngest” and had to sit on the backwards seat. It made me car sick!
March 24, 2011 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759829aries2756ParticipantGrandmaster, you are taking it too far since that didn’t happen. H&M does have a right to be notified that their ad was offensive in that community and that the owner of the space should have informed them of that. They could easily have put a children’s clothing ad, or a men’s clothing ad in that space and not a women’s ad that was offensive. It is not the fault of the advertiser and they should not be punished or demeaned. It is the fault of the space owner and they should be held accountable if the community is angered.
There is no point in playing what if. In order to do that you also have to play what if the bochurim are caught and H&M and the property owners want to press charges. Are they heros if they have to repay the thousands of dollars it cost to have the ad placed there for the month? Who is willing to step up to the plate and refund the advertiser the 10 – 30 thousand?
aries2756ParticipantPBA, here is another little tidbit for you. When you are invited to a bris, the seats that are set up are also meant for the “Adults” and not for the kids who’s parents seat them leaving adults standing. Same goes for a kiddush in shul where parents have the chutzpah to seat their children and become oblivious to the adult invited guests who have no where to sit.
Although children are important and special too, they are NOT the first to be considered in these cases. They are young and have the koach and were-with-all to stand through it or sit on their own parents’ laps.
And just to satisfy your curiosity, yes, I would have had no problem asking Esther to have her daughter switch seats with me if I found the other seat too uncomfortable. As Esther said herself, her daughter is very petite and would have had no problem sitting in a seat facing the wall. Esther was being a bit stubborn which she herself admitted. It was as simple as just moving down a seat and there would have been no incident at all. WE women do it all the time in shul. It is NO big deal and that is why this whole story was so upsetting. Young women don’t usually have a makom kavuah but many older women do and WE usually respect that. Other than that, we are always moving around accommodating or just depending on who is there. So being stubborn about a seat is NOT the norm for women and I am sure that the older woman was a bit surprised by Esther’s response.
By the way PBA, is this how you raise your children? Is this what you would have done? My kids and grandkids would give up their seat for an older person even if it meant they would stand!
March 24, 2011 5:43 am at 5:43 am in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759814aries2756ParticipantGrandmaster, the issue would be with the owner of the space and NOT with the advertiser. They don’t know that they are marketing to a non-market. It is a waste of their money and they would be glad to know that they are wasting money by buying that space. Take it up with the owner of the space and take HIM to a din torah.
aries2756ParticipantWell maybe it is because I said I was appalled, or in the way you are reading it not in the way that I wrote it. Try reading it again without the defensive attitude. In addition, why do you say that the other woman was bullying her? Where did you get that because she said that you can’t save the seat? Maybe she felt Esther was being disrespectful and bullying her by saying she is saving the seat for a child.
I stand by what I said. The older woman WAS in the right and I will take it one step further. If your mother was the older woman and came home and told you that this is what happened to her what would you say? “I was in shul and told this young mother that I would like to sit down and she said she was saving the seat for her child. But the other empty seat was facing the wall, so I chose to sit down anyway and figured she would seat her child in the other seat. Would you believe she had the chutzpah to put her child on my lap? I couldn’t believe the nerve of this young woman, and in shul none the less”. What would you tell your mother that she was wrong or that the young woman should have moved over and tell her child to sit in the empty seat? Be honest here. And go even one step further, ask your RAV who was right and who was wrong. I would be very interested to hear what he says, seriously.
aries2756ParticipantTeen, no I am not angry, and I did not lose my temper. I am just answering and asking questions. I didn’t say anything about anger management. She asked how we would react and what we think, so I am responding. What is your issue, if we don’t agree we shouldn’t respond? I am as appalled at this incident as I was when another poster, I think it was “ofcourse” told of a time 20 years ago when she was pregnant and had to stand through the entire megillah laining because not one young girl or woman offered her their seat. Right is right and wrong is wrong and I just feel this was unacceptable behavior. Furthermore, we have to be vigilant about teaching our children to be respectful. There are so many young people who have no concept of respect.
aries2756ParticipantYou may think that I am over the top but what do you call putting your child on someone else’s lap? Is THAT not over the top? Have you ever done that? What would YOUR child feel like? Would they feel like you are sticking up for them or would they feel mortified? The same way that she put her child on the corner of that woman’s seat she could have placed her on the corner of her own seat or not embarrass her and moved over and allowed her to place herself on the seat. Or as stated before just switch seats to begin with and the child could stand up to see her father at any time. Why would you or anyone think that the child would have the same or more right than the adult just because she got there first? Does she deserve special treatment because her father was laining? Well my son-in-law lains twice at night and twice in the morning every year plus every shabbos and yom tov and even HE doesn’t get special treatment nor does he expect it.
OK, so I am older and of a different generation so does that mean what I was taught doesn’t apply any longer? What I taught my kids doesn’t apply any longer? The rules of derech eretz and respect your elders doesn’t apply any longer? What exactly did that woman do wrong? She wanted to sit on an empty seat that a young woman was holding for her child who was obviously much younger than the elder woman. What exactly was wrong with the woman expecting the younger woman to accommodate? Nothing. What exactly would it have cost Esther Malka to accomodate? Nothing. Why did this incident have to take place. No reason. What good came out of it? Nothing. What bad came out of it? Obviously bad feelings all the way around. What can we learn from this? You will have to figure that out individually for yourselves. This was NOT a good way to teach a 10 year old child to stick up for themselves. Next time you want to teach your daughter such a lesson it would be better off taught on the playground with children her own age.
aries2756ParticipantBy the way Esther, if there wasn’t another seat, would you have let the woman stand, or would you have made your daughter stand up for her. After all your daughter was there first.
March 24, 2011 4:37 am at 4:37 am in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759808aries2756Participantjonas, they sell affordable children’s clothes and affordable coats, hats, shoes, and yes even skirts and tee shirts. Much more affordable than the stores in the neighborhood. They sell all kinds of things, you don’t have to buy things that are not tznius. So yes the women in the neighborhood do shop in the store. So if you don’t know what you are talking about maybe you shouldn’t be talking.
aries2756ParticipantYes this was discussed before as well as other things that some people do and some people don’t. Yes there are people who can afford to do things that other people can’t. People choose to go to hotels and others choose to stay home. Each have the right to choose as they wish and WE do NOT have the right to judge. Each one of us have our own personal reasons for doing what we choose to do as well as the Rabbonim that go, the singers that go, the people that go and the caterers and families that run these programs. Why bring it up or make choizek of it?
March 24, 2011 2:38 am at 2:38 am in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759799aries2756ParticipantNo one has the right to deface another person’s property. You do however have the right NOT to look and to boycott the store or the owner of the property in question. You also have the right to call either one with complaints. As far as covering it up, that is also an option, probably not legal but less problematic. Anyone has a right to advertise anywhere. AND for your information there are a lot of people even in Boro Park who do shop at H&M. So whether the ad was appropriate or not, the store was IN their targeted market and they do have a right to advertise there. Whether or not the owner of the spot should have reviewed the ad or should have the right of approval is another story altogether and maybe the community should take that up with them.
The Bochurim who took matters into their own hands should be punished and explained what they did wrong. The ad costs the advertiser a lot of money and THEY should be compensated.
aries2756ParticipantHere we go again!
aries2756ParticipantAt times when you are unhappy you do something that makes you happy and if shopping makes you happy then go shopping. However, which part of shopping is the high for you, the act of trying on clothes or the act of “spending the money”. If trying on the clothes makes you feel good about yourself then go ahead and do it. Fill your cart with all sorts of items but then before you get to the register choose just one thing, the favorite of the day and tell yourself “I deserve something special” and feel good about yourself and doing something nice for yourself. It really isn’t necessary to buy everything and then feel bad later. If the high is in “spending” the money then remind yourself that you did spend money on yourself by purchasing that special item for yourself. Appreciate the moment and the purchase.
It isn’t necessary to go overboard and ruin the experience by having to feel guilty later. Train yourself to respect yourself and appreciate the experience. YOU deserve to “gift” yourself and “treat” yourself to nice things and special days. So go ahead and have a treat to make yourself feel better just don’t go overboard.
aries2756ParticipantWhat’s wrong with simply saying “I’m no longer married”? and leave it at that? If they have further inquiries you can choose to answer or not.
aries2756Participant2qwerty, just as he gave to the community before, he would NEVER want to be a burden to the community at any time that is because his generosity doesn’t stop just because his luck has turned. His heart is still always going to be “gold” and his spirit is always going to be one with Hashem. So if the community does what they are supposed to do, HE too will do right by the community.
aries2756ParticipantI don’t get it. Does she NOT say my daughter-in-law? Does she say “my son’s wife”?
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