aquestioningjew

Ah, I see. Most definitely true. See rambam Hilchos Yom Tov I think 19:21

It is the father’s job to speak. That said, it must be done “Derech Shayloh U’teshuva” so children questions are not only required, they are crucial. See Griz in Stencil. See also Sifsei Chaim on this – cant remember which ma’amar.

As an aside, the Rambam is mefurash that the Mitzvoh is to be doresh on the Pessukim from Aromi Oveid Ovi. Therefore the bits before are nice, but only a prelude to the main act.

See Rav Brevda (cant remember name of sefer off hand) who brings a beautiful mehalech through the whole haggodoh showing how it mamash is maschil begunus and mesayem bshvach.

There is also a well-known debate between Reb Chaim Brisker (I think)and Reb Chatzkel as to whether the ikkar is emunoh or hakoros hatov. See Rav Brevda again – talmid of Reb Chatzkel so goes with his mehalech.

Personally, I try and make it interactive for a bit, then serious, then interactive, just to keep my kids awake.

The main point – as MB brings- make sure you anser your kids question – why is this night different!

Nechomoh – “As far as the meals, it says “ain simcha ela basar v’yayin” “

Do you have a Mekor for those exact words? (please note the pedantry in the question). Rishonim, early Achronim or well known Poskim only please.

Please people, not another thread on this topic. Bitochon is a nearly impossible sugya to understand.

Bigboy – Thanks. I believe I do know the halochos quite well and would be grateful for a Mekor in Shas, Rishonim or Achronim for davka giving to people you are not friendly with. As it happens, sevoro says fakert. Being marbeh reiyus (I think that’s more the pronunciation), is mashmah there is already a reiyus between you which you are being marbeh (loshon ribui = more, you cant have more if there isn’t anything there already).

It sounds to me an urban myth…….

So, source please.

apushatayayid & copymachine – source please for it being better to give to someone you are not on good terms with.

Don’t forget Toras Moshe

Joseph – regretfully, your question appears to lack an appreciation of my own question.

Halochos exist because they are the halocho (i.e. We will work with Orthodox theory that hashem, for whatever reason, desires X, Y and indeed, Z actions – these then became halochos – though I’m sure someone will throw in here about the difference between halochos and Mitzvos – lets skip that).

So….. Why do you presume a spirit of Halocho exists which, according to you, binds people outside the letter of halocho? If you refer to Chassidus ( a la the Mishna in ovos) perhaps that is also defined? We find in different areas of halocho that something is called Midas Chasidus, or Lifnim Mi’shuras hadin, yet it is brought in Halocho.

Just asking.

Joseph – who says there is a spirit of the law?

Popa – I was arguing L’shitoscha.

You cannot argue that someone who doesn’t see Chazal as binding should show their gratitude through Chazals version of gratitude. I believe you. You believe it. They don’t.

Popa – Davenning and Hakoras hatov are an interesting link. I am sure many would argue they feel grateful and that is enough. if you disagree, are you not guilty of your own first point?

DaasYochid – beautiful

Old Man – I did – but I’ve been through the system

Mashiach Agent – a philosophical question – should I try to convince myself of something JUST because it will make me happy?

I am not sure why you point out there are religious Jews as well as irreligious? You imply you would understand those of us (myself included) that don’t say such a prayer if it was just irreligious Jews in the army?

Geordie613 – Same in the capital (shout out for Hagers)

Flatbusher – I agree. I said that an MO may not “Get” the problem, meaning that they might not understand. lets be fair, its strange to hear that while you have “platonic” girlfriends, others wont even eat at people’s houses where men and ladies might talk. But of course, we (of the yeshivishe velt) consider this an issue.

I remember when I was a Bochur in EY I had rules about who I would eat at. Never young marrieds. Just so wrong on so many levels.

Yehudayona – As I understand it, everything is about what one can do. If one is a doctor, one cant really can one? If one is in learning, one doesn’t need to talk to women…

Just to start a fight…. This shows why people in Kollel are reasonable (not saying I agree, just saying I hear the sevoroh) in not wanting their children in class with people that work. The father will L’maaseh, have different sensitivies to inyonei kedusha. (No, before some joker points it out, I’m not saying all working people are doctors, work out the Tzu shtell yourselves).

Sam2 – whilst loath to defend Joseph, surely you appreciate that various different people have different approaches. One of these differences is whether a person looks to try and keep Shulchan Oruch purely based on “Vos shteit” or alternatively they want to go beyond the letter of the law. I must stress that I actually find both options to be valid and to have extremely logical reasons for them.

My personal preference is to work with what I have. When I work in Goyish palces, I use first names. Yiddishe places, Mrs etc. Of course its all fake because we’re creating false fences but we value that. Of coruse, that’s my personal preference.

Ohr gedalyohu explains the Machlokes rambam and ramban about the reason for Korbonos based on gemoro (cant remember source as I’m at work) which says – Eizehu Avodah Zoro She’B’Odom, Havei Omer, Zu Yetser Hora. Basically, the Ohr Gedalyohu learns this as being the ego (lots of maarei mekomos for this), so what the Rambam means is that a Korban is supposed to distance oneself from the Avodah Zoro of “I,” the ego – this answers why Odom ha’Rishon brought a Korbon even though there was no Ovodah Zoro then. When he did the Aveiroh he felt an “I” inside himself and immediately wanted to draw that closer to Hashem. (I’m not doing justice to one of the most brilliant pieces in the Sefer – go look inside). As such, everything that involves putting, “I” above Hashem is Avodah Zoro. But this is borderline Chassidishe Torah 🙂

I’m sorry that you feel you have to prove you love Torah more than your wife. Those of us who learnt in Yeshivah should (as should everyone) appreciate and understand the beauty and value of both.

Hi all

I’ve followed these rooms on and off for many years and its funny what makes me actually eventually post (though i think I did along time ago and I’ve lost that email address and password).

Anyway…. Joseph…. what’s up with you? Are you some flaming BT or something? Just chill.

My wife and I are very frum, even very yeshivish, but we celebrate both – so we can get two sets of presents from parents 🙂