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I hope cherrybim is not involved in shidduchim with such obvious ignorance.
“For example what about a woman who is divorced …….”
Its nice to know you care. Perhaps reach out to the community leaders to find out how they deal with this situation.
“Kol Bnei Yisroel Arevin Zeh L-Zeh”
Then instead of mocking and ridiculing a practice people have accepted upon themselves that they believe will improve their level of yiddishkeit, appluad them and encourage them!
“some of whom are from very Yeshivish communities,”
We are discussing a particular community of a particular chassidus. We are not discussing “very frum yeshivish communities” that do differently than this chassidic group. Each has its own manhigim that they follow. As do you. Follow yours. dont mock theirs.
“To all woman of the CR, how would you feel if all your life you’ve been driving, and suddenly you were told by your rav that you can’t?”
Like most things in life, it will take getting used to. Even the yidden in the midbar complained Zacharnu es hadaga asher nochalnu bimitrayim, despite the mann.
“and holding by a very minor Daas Yachid is that it is wrong.”
What is the difference between a major and minor daas yochid?
“The “Neshei Belz” said that it is to avoid possible situations of Kaas and Nivul Peh.”
This is the first I am hearing of this, but if true, do you believe that driving in stressful situations does not cause anger or worse, people to say things they later regret? Nivul peh does not only mean words such as #^&^%$% and (!**#&#.
“Since it’s a relatively mainstream opinion, that’s fine.”
The opinion is accepted by the mainstream, but I would venture to guess that more poskim disagreed with the psak. This is entirely besides the point though.
ZD. I think it is pointless to discuss a single hanhaga of a group of people, when taken by itself, might seems pointless or silly. When this hanhaga is factored into the overall daily hanhagos of this community, it is not pointless, silly and certainly not abusive (for them). Do members of this community appear to be bullied, forced, coerced or otherwise threatened to do anything? Are they asking you to take on this or any of their hanhagos? Does the Rav of this community strike you as an abusive cult leader? Why does it bother you or anyone else that they adopted this hanhaga? I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
“When did you become a nice guy? 🙂 “
Approximately 20 minutes ago.
“Advancement? Like what?”
Continuous Glucose Monitors. Much more efficient insulin. Insulin pumps. Just to name a few.
“Either a diabetic changes his eating habits and starts to exercise daily (like telling a drug addict to just stop his habit), or he is finished.”
Admittedly, I know very little about type 2 diabetes, but this comment as it relates to type 1 is so way off base it only underscores my previous comment about ignorance. Your comment is not unique to diabetes. We can say the same thing about someone with hypertension, high blood pressure and other medical conditions.
“Most times, either the food contains sugar or will turn into sugar after ingestion.”
And if anyone ingests too much the body stores it, and the person becomes overweight. This has nothing to do with diabetes except the fact that (depending on type 1 or type 2) the body can not break down the sugar at all due to having no insulin or the body can not properly “process” the sugar. Insulin injections for type 1 or the appropriate medication for type 2 takes care of this problem.
“Most diabetics control the disease with diet, medication, and exercise.”
Again, this is true of someone with type 2 only. Someone with type 1, will die without insulin, no matter how healthy a diet.
“Thankfully, most diabetics are already long into their marriages when the disease becomes full blown.”
Juveniele Diabetes. The name alone tells you just how wrong this statement is. Then there is gestational diabetes.
Like everything in life, when it comes to shidduchim decisions can not, and should not be made based on ignorance. Moreover, I personally know a number of people with diabetes who were instructed by Rabbonim not to make the other side aware of their diabetes until after a 2nd or 3rd date (of course this is in a situation where the other side is not aware, many people do not hide their diabetes and it is something that can be learned rather easily. There ARE people who are not quick to publicize their diabetes, and this thread proves their decision correct, since there is so much ignorance in the general population about it).
“So it’s an outright Halacha that one may not sit on a table?”
I didnt say that, I hope I didnt imply thats what the shulchan aruch says. He talks about dipping bread in salt and discusses the idea of ????? ???? ?????. I just gave you sources to review and perhaps take from it why it would be improper to sit on a table.
While I’m a nice guy, I didnt “look it up”, I knew it was there since I recently learned this siman.
“however people PRAISE rightis chumras and dont realize they can just as easily cause people to go off.”
Sure, if people practice chumras in a vaccuum they are meaningless. They are a part of an overall way of life. We are nitpicking one small part of it.
“apushatayid: What about a group like the Taliban?”
Are you comparing this Belz community to the Taliban?
“Did you see my analogy?”
It has nothing to do with a community of women not driving.
“Today is a Minhag, tomorrow it becomes “Halacha” and reason not to give people Aliyot and other things and children banned from schools etc”
So, now you are a navi?
“Should we not protest?”
Is it abusive? Is a hanhaga not to drive abusive? Is anyone in this community not free to move elsewhere if they wish to drive? You are comparing apples and ptcha.
“This is a social construct unrelated to Halacha.”
Not every hanhaga is practiced to avoid violating a halacha. Some hanhagos are practiced to elevate onesself. You might disagree that this hanhaga does such a thing, but dont knock, or worse, attack as baseless and stupid those that take on such a hanhaga.
“location of the ????? ???? ????? thing”
It comes from a gemara in brachos daf nun heh. It is brought down in halacha in hilchos betzias hapas, siman kuf samech zayin sif heh (see mishna brura sif kattan lamed, lamed alef and lamed beis).
“It’s none of your business” isn’t an option.”
Please explain why this isnt an option. This has absolutely no bearing on your life and quite frankly the hanhagos this community accepts upon itself is none of your business. It becomes your business when they make the claims that this is the accepted practice among those jews who follow the shulchan aruch, and those who dont adopt this practice are in violation of the shulchan aruch. They have not made such a claim, so, it is none of anyones business.
“Who is on the proper hashkafic level today to make up or impose chumros today?”
“If people believe this is an actually untenable Shittah, they have a right to call out.”
This is the issue here. It is a hanhaga that a particular community has imposed upon itself. It makes no claims that this is the halacha. It imposes this hanhaga on nobody outside the community, and quite frankly I doubt anyone within the community sees it as an imposition.Why do you claim it is untenable? Who said it is? For you perhaps this is an imposition and a situation that is untenable (with all its dictionary definitions), but, as an outsider to this community it doesnt have any bearing on your life one way or another, so why do you care?
This thread was stupid from its opening sentence down to the last thing written (including my own for responding to stupidity). Nobody is asking anyone to adopt the hanhagos of a small chassidishe community in England. If they say its because of tznius, then so be it. Feel free to disagree and give your wife/daughter/mother driving lessons and facilitate their getting a drivers license.
I give all those who are bothered by this hanhaga a bracha, this should be the biggest thing that bothers you, your entire life.
There is a lot of ignorance about diabetes in the general population.
Would you reject a shidduch with someone who has asthma or a severe food allergy?
i’d like to posit that the real reason the op started this thread is because he/she is looking to poke fun of people who have a standard and stick to it. it makes him/her uncomfortable. instead of improving his/herself and trying to rise up to their level, he/she chose to try and chop them down to his level, by ridiculing them. this may sound ridiculous, but it is no more ridiculous than the conclusions reached by the op.
Is the music really for the workers? The average jewish supermarket employs way more non jews than jews. If it was for the workers, they wouldnt play mbd, fried and schwecky (etc).
Hashem has this great reward system. Learn yourself, and he will greatly reward you for it. Cant learn all that well? dont worry, Chazal have assured us, lifum, tzara, agra. Just put in the effort.
“I am talking about that audio junk they play in kosher supermarkets in frum neighborhoods.”
Ear plugs are a great investment.
How much of todays “music” is actually the sound of a musical instrument and how much is just artificial noise that either simulates or distorts the sounds produced by instruments?
Yes. The complaints.
You heard? Have you seen or experienced it?
“Klei Kodesh field”
You looking for someone who makes religious articles?
hopefully there is nothing to find.
“I think I want to marry a Klei Kodesh”
Isnt the word “Klei” plural?
You THINK you wish to marry such a person or you WANT to?
Please define non jewish music.
Is it, music composed by a non jew. This would include compositions by beethoven, bach, mozart and a number of the tunes played at many heimish simchas.
Is it a reference to a song whose lyrics were written by a non jew, to be sung along to music composed by a non jew?
Is it a song whose lyrics do not convey jewish values, or worse, promote non jewish values no matter who wrote them?
What is liberal about animal brains, kosher lizards and some of the other unpronounceable items on the menu? How does serving it or indulging in it further a liberal agenda?
“A catered dinner of exotic foods is an indulgence in gashmius.”
Then I guess you have a problem with many weddings, organizational dinners including those for the finest yeshivos and mosdos and just about every yom tov program available to the general public.
What’s with this emphasis on gashmiyus. One might be
mikayem an asey on shavuos but now is at least Baal tosif
“Do you say Hallel on Purim?”
Kriasa zu he halellasa. So yes, we say “hallel”, only we read it from a klaf and bang when hamans name is said.
“Particularly disregarding the concept of “nuval bereshus hatorah” and glorifying the idea of “elevating gashmius” which doesn’t work”
since you mention your Rebbe discussing this topic, I am curious what your Rebbe has said/taught about the new trend in kosher supermarkets especially in the non MO enclaves of NYC that have elevated “food” to a whole new level of nuval bereshus hatorah.
“the glorification of indulgence is not a Torah value”
The real question, and appropriate discussion is, was this dinner a glorification of indulgence. The next question is, if you believe it is, is this the proper forum to give tochacha (or a mussar shmooze) to those who attended. Finally, is it necessary or even appropriate to use terms such as MO when offering that tochacha (or mussar schmooze).
Insane deductibles usually work in an inverse proportion to premiums paid. Before comparing your high deductible plan to someone elses lower deductible plan, compare the premiums you both pay.
One thing is certain. there is nothing halachic about this discussion except that the laws of lashon hara and motsi shem ra are being violated time and time again.
“If a rav says something is permissible it’s permissible even if he is wrong? I don’t think so.”
Are you arguing that one must fact check every psak given to them by their Rav, or to perhaps solicit the psak of several more rabbonim to ensure they get the same psak every time? The comment that the woman is following the psak of her Rav and therefore doing the correct thing, is a true and accurate comment.
takkana = tochacha?!!???!
Simcha:
“denigrating them in this public forum is probably far more assur than what you condemn them of.”
You are probably correct. However, you violated your own comment by assuming I am condemning this dinner and/or its participants in some way. My comment was directed towards the most recent discussions regarding eating and enjoying Hashems world. I was pointing out that this is not a new discussion and provided the Ramban as a Mareh Makom. My attitude towards the dinner itself? Ambivalence.
Minuval birshus Torah. A concept discussed by the Ramban at the beginning of parshas kedoshim.
So, where was the halachic in this dinner?
“I can’t understand posing a question that should be asked of one’s Rav here on the forum.”
Come on, this is about stirring the pot, not about looking for a response to a halachic inquiry!
“its only baalei teshuva who text on shabbos.”
Huh?
forget the bison. what was halachic about this dinner? did the bison say a pshetel?
I didnt see any ads for any particular items, but in general I find it very disheartening when shabbos is described as a day to survive and a new product is introduced to help us get through shabbos.
What was halachic about the dinner? did someone give a shiur on hilchos brachos covering halachos of kedima in brachos, ikkur and taffel, the proper kavana when making a bracha?
I’d only go if the cigars were cuban.
If it contains marijuana
I AM biased. I prefer no tests.
“Exams make it easier for the yeshivah.”
In what way?
I have kids in yeshiva. Very little is based on exams, especially in limudei kodesh (at least in the school my kids attend).
“I simply stated a fact.”
Perhaps you should double check your facts.
“It’s hard to imagine that someone would think a test on Torah would be bittul Torah.”
Then you either dont have kids in yeshiva or havent spoken to any lately when it is time for a test. I have no doubt that the OP is not a day older than 14.
“No, they are biased.”
RebYidd, if this is how the parents of the student feel, then they have their children in the wrong yeshiva. If they feel this is the right yeshiva for their children, and this yeshiva gives exams (the OP has not specified whether these exams are in limudei kodesh or limudei chol – but everyone jumped to the conclusion it is a questoin of limudei chol!!) then either the parents should address their concerns of bittul torah with the rosh yeshiva or menahel who sets the policy, or change the yeshiva they send their child!
This question is best answered by the rosh yeshiva or menahel who sets policy in your yeshiva.