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“No politician would do something that stupid.”
You’d be surprised!
As an aside, you think it is difficult to buy a “list” for telemarketing purposes? When I added a phone line in the house, and of course my very first call was from a Telemarketer, I played along and agreed to be put on their mailing list etc. and I used the name Abraham Lincoln. Mr. Lincoln gets at least a dozen calls a week.
If this was a forum of shadchanim you might have a point.
they use autodialers. they pick an npa-nxx for example 718-338- and have the computer dial sequentially 718-338-0000, 718-338-0001, 0002, 0003 etc… the computers can do this rather quickly. If the number is invalid the computer can detect the network signaling that indicates that and eliminates it from the database. If the network signaling indicates a busy signal, ringing with no answer or the jackpot an answer these numbers are marked. Telemarketers who are covered by the DNC list are supposed to make sure they always have the most updated version of the list and that those numbers are loaded into their database as do not calls. Of course we know how that goes.
I asked the OU about a specific product last week, that is labeled and marketed by the manufacturer as a dairy free/casseine free product, with no obvious (and after confirming with the OU, even not so obvious) dairy ingredients listed either, yet carries an OU-D hechsher. They replied that in truth it is a pareve item “made with heat on dairy equipment”, but people got way too confused with the OU-DE symbol and its ramifications so they did away with it and label it OU-D. While they told me it is truly pareve made on dairy equipment, I should check back in 90 days to verify status, since formulas can, and do, change. In other words, this is the status today. dont assume in 6 months ago that the status quo remains. What WILL be constant is the OU-D.
Please define classical Jewish music and describe how it sounds.
THANK you dy. It isn’t cynicism just the negative comments about the frum populations of both cities he is soliciting.
As has been pointed out by another response. The information is available from the appropriate city governments and if the op wanted the answer be would have asked them.
Why do you care?
The women took it upon themselves to be machmir. They did not petition chazal to create these chumros. To quote the OP “Therefore be it resolved that we call upon our Rabbonim (who are the arbiters in establishing chumras) to consider various areas where new chumras would benefit Klal Yisroel.”
thank you
“Not sure the point of your question.”
Let me explain then.
. OP suggests we petition the chachamim for more chumras.
. Someone chimed in that chazal have enacted many chumros throughout our history with muktzeh but one example.
. All other examples cited so far, are things enacted by Chazal when they saw a need to do so.
. So I asked. Was there ever a takana (chumra if you wish) exacted by chazal that was done because they were petitioned to do so. Certainly on an individual level people have gone to their Rebbe, Rav etc. and have discussed ways to improve their avodas hashem and were given guidance to take on certain things, but, on the klal level has this ever been done?
You didn’t answer my question though. Is there a case where the people petitioned the cbachamim to create chumros as is suggested by the op. No need to look far for chumros that communities or the klal as a whole have adopted. How many of those came about as a result a petition.
I’m certainly no expert in shas. Is there a case where people petitioned the cbachamim for a chumra?
Are the cbachamim politicians that they need to be petitioned? If they feel something is necessary on a public level they will speak up.
They continue to do so because they maintain you should look for their symbol and not assume.
The ok certifies many of the pebbles cereals but not the ones with marshmallows they also expect you not to assume. It is not an unreasonable expectation. If you (not you personally) insist on assuming I think purchasing heimishe brands is the safest way to go.
The ou sends out updates and Alerts almost daily if you’re concerned about changes in the status of Oreos or anything else they certify sign up to receive their Alerts. Also sign-up with the other agencies as well as Alerts from kashrus magazine or Kosherquest.org or similar organizations who will send updates from all agencies. The Alerts are issues it is noones fault except the individual who doesn’t sign up to receive them.
Non dairy is not a kashrus statement. Don’t blame the ou because you make it into one. Non dairy is an allergen statement. A kashrus symbol is a kashrus statement.
They write pareve because they changed the packaging well in advance of the planned change in recipe to reflect an oud. After the outcry they printed pareve. Just another example where the kashrus symbol is as much a marketing tool as it provides kashrus status.
They marry because that is what their society expects from them. Ready or not. They grow up fast. Like learning to swim by being thrown into deep end of pool.
Do what your rebbe advises.
If you read the article till the end There is a correction that points out what you do.
I remember this article because one of the people quoted is a neighbor of mine and we were so impressed that we knew someone cited in the times.
Regarding Stella Doro cookies. Search for a NY Times article titled “how orthodox jews saved an italian recipe” that was written when word came out Kraft foods would not switch to dairy chocolate.
This is copied and pasted from the OU website:
https://oukosher.org/the-kosher-primer/
XIV. Pareve Foods:
A. OU policy is that dairy or meat items are labeled OU-D and OU Dairy or OU Meat respectively. An item that is labeled OU without a suffix can be assumed to be pareve. Nonetheless, we recommend checking the ingredients listed on the label, since on rare occasions, the OU-D is inadvertently omitted.
Hashgachos have their own rules for how they do things. Dont assume that if the star-K does it this way, the OU does too and vice versa. This is true of any hechsher. The only guarantee is that if you assume it will eventually come back to bite you.
Depends on your definition of Orthodox.
For those who care to know instead of making assumptions.
From a doctors guide for those who are Lactose intolerant.
“There are several types of non-dairy creamers that you can use in place of milk to lighten your coffee. They come in a variety of flavors, in both liquid and powder form. Non-dairy creamers contain sodium caseinate in place of lactose. Sodium caseinate is a derivative of milk, but it is a protein, not a sugar carbohydrate. This ingredient helps give non-dairy creamers their smooth textures.”
Is there still a question why these types of products have an OU-D? The designation “non dairy creamer” is an industry label, not a kashrus label. An educated consumer……
“Allowing Milchig (dairy) products that they certify to be labeled NON-DAIRY in big bold letters is a serious offense: “Lifnei Iver Lo Sitain Michshol” (It is forbidden to cause another Jew to sin)!”
No it isnt. It is a sign of ignorance on the part of the consumer. “Non Dairy” is an allergen statement, not a kashrus statement. The consumer is guilty of making assumptions.
“Someone may consume these during a Fleishig (meat) meal!”
So, the OU is at fault because someone assumed wrong?
“The fact that in smaller print they say OU-D or dairy is not a reliable solution.”
Why not? The only kashrus statement made by the OU is the one with their symbol.
Yes restrictions because people may inadvertently do something. My rav respectfully disagrees with the conclusion that one may not wear a hat with yarmulke underneath at least as it relates to his kehilla, because the wearing of a hat is just as common as a yarmulke and if it blows off people are very aware not to pick up and carry it. Just like yarmulke.
Since we are dealing with g-d fearing jews why not also assume they wont forget it is shabbos. You seem to be making arbitrary gezeros.
If it’s that so that a hat blows off it is just as likely that the kippa underneath would blow off too. Perhaps a kippa with elastic that goes from ear to ear is what one should go out with exclusively.
The thread should be titled. I’m running out of ideas to stir the lot and I’m grasping at straws.
Why are you second guessing your Rav.
So sweaters are a garment. I think e can still wear one that makes a statement. I think the pants one chooses to wear make a statement too. N
Enjoy your kibbeh and everything else you like to eat. Just remember to say the appropriate Bracha rishona and Bracha achrona.
I didn’t know motsi shem ra was more lenient than kashrus. People are so concerned about what goes into their mouth, but they have no issues bashing the ou and others over the dumbest things.
“It seems that a necktie is the one accessory through which a person can make a statement.”
Have you tried socks, glasses, sweaters, sunglasses? Women who dont wear neckties, generally, might also chime in with hair accessories, jewelry, boots and the like (although a woman with a necktie would be quite a statement too).
registered charities are supposed to disclose this info annually. you can look it up.
Again, dont assume. Just because it is a “heimishe hechsher” it doesnt necessarily mean you could or should rely on it. They may have standards that you like, but do they have the manpower and resources to enforce that standard? Are they stretched to thin?
We use reb shlomos niggun for shomrim hafked and adapt it for the entire piyut.
Ask your Rav. I’m sure he would be happy to advise you how to distribute your tzedaka money.
Merubim tzarchei amcha. B”h many people have stepped up to plate. Why does it bother you?
They “changed” the packaging. This is in fact a new package. The nutrition label information was probably copied and pasted from file A to file B. The nutrition label happens to also contain the hechsher. They could have called it Heimishe Ranchers and put it in a bright yellow bag, it wouldnt change the nutrition label info.
Or wood chips
Bottom line. Dont assume.
I said it. I heard Rabbi Wikler (I think that is how his last name is pronounced) of kashrus magazine on a radio show say it and callers to his show said they purchased it at a heimishe store in boro park.
An ice cream store in my neighborhood had a large sign hanging in their window stating all their ice cream was ou certified. it was written in such a way to imply that the store itself was certified. I dont think 2 hours passed from the phone call to the ou asking about their certification of the shop to the time the sign was taken down. they do take mislabeling seriously.
agree or disagree with their conclusions, that is up to you. the OU is an open book and all of their policies are available to whoever asks making the decision whether or not to rely on them or when to rely on them a very easy decision.
milk is a commodity. unless there is something unique about it, no reason to switch from the current brand, whatever it may be. perhaps the NSK is a hechsher people would prefer over some others. perhaps the price point is low enough to entice new customers. obviously the owners have a lot of work to do to win over Joseph as a customer. Looks like it is a challenge they are willing to take on.
the fact that these packages made their way into heimishe stores and people bought them means, a number of people at a number of levels, made assumptions they should not have. the OU made an assumption that people wouldnt make these assumptions, and they assumed wrong too. therefore, the OU is going to reevaluate their policy so that even when people assume when they should not this type of mistake hopefully wont happen again.
Many items in the McDonald happy meal have a hechsher on it. Should or could someone reasonably assume happy meals are kosher because some elements of the meal have an ou prominently displayed on them? To their credit the ou will reevaluate their policy as it relates to this type of packaging and their symbol.
It should be pointed out that this is not a Certification issue rather it is a labeling issue. The ou allowed the company to use the ingredient panel with its symbol as long as they also printed a disclaimer. They are reviewing their policy.
You will find many hechsherim in McDonald’s too. Obviously you use your seichel and don’t buy a quarter pounder just because the ketchup has a hechsher on it. The issue here his one of assumption. Three ingredient panels so assume check three times. The other side sees one because and assumes all is good. This was probably further driven by the fact that this package was sold in heimishe stores too and some assumed kosher and checked for nothing. Never assume.