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GAW, appreciated the No True Scotsman allusion.
mosherose, what is your halachic source for stating that driving is no different than cooking? I know that I’m allowed to cook some items on Yom Tov, so does this mean I may also drive on Yom Tov, since the two are, as you say, “no different”?
SJS, I knew that if you were reading the thread, at least one person would know that I wasn’t talking about a cafeteria. And of course we know that extrapolation is generally riskier than interpolation, and is sometimes best left to the professionals. That’s true in engineering calculations and in halacha as well.
SJS, to limit women to leaving the house only a few times per month would require many changes beyond keeping women from working. Women would also no longer be able to transport children to or from school, tutoring, extracurrcicular activities, medical appointments, or visits to friends’ homes, or to take their children outside to play. They also would not be able to shop for groceries, clothing, or household items. Who would take care of all of these responsibilities and errands?
Bus service & grocery delivery is not available everywhere. Even where it is available, it would reduce the need for transportation to & from school & the grocery store, but not the other errands. So men would have to take care of these errands and tasks as well.
mosherose, thanks for your response. Obviously you don’t have to give a source for the pasuk. I was just asking if you had a halachic source for your statement that the ossur of lo silbash includes household tasks. Obviously you don’t have a source, and are just extrapolating on your own. That’s may be OK for steam table calculations, but not so much for halacha.
mosherose, again, what’s your source for stating that it is an ossur of “lo silbash” for a man to cook, clean, or change diapers? Why, exactly, is it wrong for a man to do these tasks? Please cite a source for your claim.
mosherose, the halacha of “lo yilbash” refers to dress/ accessories/ personal grooming habits. It does not refer to other actions. Do you have a source for your statement that cooking or changing diapers would be included, or is it just a guess on your part?
And I’m not The Wolf, but if he and his wife agree to share important decisions, then he obviously approves of this method of running their household. How, then, could his wife be considered a moredes?
oomis, that’s right.
sorry, #8 should have been “adjunct”, of course.
1) junior
5) junket
6) juncture
7) juniper
8) adjutant
Smartcookie’s answer for #6 reminded me of a clue for #10:
10) word that connects words, phrases, or clauses
charliehall, that’s interesting. What does colonial American music sound like anyway? “The Star-Spangled Banner” comes to mind but I don’t think that’s right.
stage freight–when you’re finished speaking, it feels as if a load was taken off your shoulders.
popa_bar_abba, that’s an interesting point. I have noticed this also sometimes. I think it’s because some women think, “If I can dress appropriately, even though I struggle with the same issues/ practical challenges/ etc, why can’t she?”
Trying my best,
Any discussion on an internet message board between men and women can (and has) become too personal. On this board, however, the moderators take great care to steer discussions away from topics that they consider inappropriate for men and women to discuss. Since personal details/ discussions are not an intrinsic part of most topics discussed, this is an achievable goal. Of course sometimes moderators edit/ delete posts or close topics to accomplish keep personal details/ discussions off the board. And many topics that would be completely accepted on other message boards are not posted here for this reason (either because nobody posts them in the first place or the mods don’t let those topics on).
To properly discuss many aspects of tznius, one must discuss personal details that in most other contexts would perhaps not be discussed on this board, expecially between men and women. Whether it is appropriate to discuss these details in the context of a thread about tznius is a matter of opinion and of course for the mods to decide.
One difference between learning the halochos of tznius in the beis medrash and discussing them here is that here many of the posters are (or purport to be) women. I’m not a man, so I don’t know what, if any, effect this may have on men discussing the issue.
I do know that concerns were raised on this board regarding a specific discussion between a (self-identified) man and (self-identified) woman on this board. That particular discussion began in a tznius thread.
I do agree SJS’s post, which really made the same point.
qa, Saddam Hussein murdered his countrymen with poison gas. However despicable, the fact that Hussein possessed poison gas & did not hesitate to use it on his own citizens never posed a threat to others.
Do you believe the US should attack other countries with tyrannical leaders, if those leaders are murdering their own citizens? Besides North Korea, should the US attack China (eg, Tianemen Square, and the rountine execution of political prisoners in order to sell ther organs) and Russia (known for murdering journalists & other members of the opposition, using tools such as polonium-210, a true WMD)?. Of course there’s also the Sudan, whose president is currently involved in genocide that’s killed (at least) many thousands of citizens.
charliehall, thanks for those facts.
qa, why exactly was regime change more important in Iraq than in North Korea? Surely you are aware that North Korea was well on its way to developing nuclear weapons in 2003, when the US declared war in Iraq (they’ve since exploded weapons equivalent in power to those that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki). There is no evidence that Iraq was close to developing them in 2003 before the US declared war, and no evidence of nuclear weapons was found afterwards either.
just for the record, there is minimal if any connection between Hussein and/or Iraq and 9/11. Saddam Hussein did not have contact with Osama bin Laden, and in fact Hussein considered bin Laden an enemy (the CIA knew this in 2002). Yes, Hussein did fund the families of Palestinian suicide bombers; so did the Saudi royal family (the Israelis found documents detailing these payments during Operation Defensive Shield). And while 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, none were from Iraq. Do you think that the US should declare war on Saudi Arabia? (I don’t).
volvie, if removing Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do, perhaps we should also consider regime change in North Korea. After all, many millions more are suffering in North Korea than were in Iraq. Also, if the Clinton administration “lacked the resolve” to attack Iraq, what’s your opinion regarding Bush 41, who didn’t finish the job either?
I know that Iran & Iraq were not actively fighting, but the two countries were definitely not at peace, and the possibility of war tempered each country’s nationalistic ambitions to some extent.
ICOT, I agree that this consequence was not intended but it should have been foreseen. And domestic opposition to foreign incursions isn’t the only reason why a US attack on Iran isn’t likely. The main problem is that because the US is already fighting two other wars, they simply don’t have the troops to do it, unless a universal draft is reinstated.
charliehall, I agree with ICOT that Bush 43 did not “get us” into the war in Afghanistan. Pursuing Osama bin Laden was the correct choice; I think that if sufficient troops would’ve been sent after him he might already have been captured & killed. Unfortunately Bush instead chose to engage in a war with Iraq, which had no significant connection to the 9/11 attacks. As a result, there were not enough troops to do the job in Afghanistan properly.
For decades, Iran & Iraq had been at war with each other. While destructive to the two countries, this war meant that neither country could pose as severe a threat to others. The US war in Iraq weakened that country so Iran could concentrate on building its nuclear arsenal and threatening Israel & the US. And since the US was already fighting in two other Muslim countries, Ahmedinijad knew that it would not attack Iran.
SJS, there are schools in NNJ outside of Bergen County that are cheaper. These schools offer a more comprehensive secular education than those in Lakewood, though probably not up to Bergen County standards. The secular education in these schools would allow most to succeed in college but would probably not generally qualify one for admission to the Ivy Leagues.
My daughter has celiac disease. Finding gluten-free kosher food isn’t alway easy. And finding gluten-free foods that she likes can be a real challenge, because many gluten-free foods don’t taste as good as their gluten-containing counterparts. I’m not going to limit her options further by restricting her to a c”y diet.
I used to buy c”y milk, but stopped when I found it spoiled within a couple of days of purchase, long before the stated expiration date. I rarely have that problem with cholov stam milk.
Another reason that people may not use c”y exclusively is that c”y products tend to cost much more than their cholov stam counterparts, and are rarely discounted.
Of course all of this is assuming that one’s rav (as ours does) permits the use of chalav stam.
cherrybim, it’s OK, and I do agree with the point.
My kids colored a scrapbook of pictures and stories for mothers’ day. They also gave me cards, a hand-made picture frame
& a plastic-beaded necklace.
bein_hasdorim, what’s your source for asserting that the name Isabel (and variants) is derived from Jezebel? As you noted, Jezebel has become a widely used (across many cultures) metaphor for a wicked woman. Yet Isabella was the name of several Christian queens, including Isabelle of Castille. And according to the Social Security Administration, Isabella was the most popular name for baby girls this year in the US. It’s unlikely that Isabella would be used througout history, and so popular today, if it were derived from Jezebel.
I’ve seen multiple explanations for the origin of Isabel, but none that cite Jezebel.
cherrybim, I meant my previous post humorously. For the record, I don’t think the aformentioned roshei yeshiva were damaged by tracing handprint turkeys or coloring mothers’ day cards (any more than the gedolim you mentioned were damaged by their experiences). I’d venture to guess that some gedolim/ roshei yeshiva even call their mothers on mothers’ day too.
jewish girl, I never thought of Maria as a frum name, or even a Jewish one.
I did know someone named Yovila though.
Wolf, I was just asking who proposed Mothers Day because I didn’t know that information. Personally I don’t believe that everything a politician does is tainted because I don’t agree with his beliefs (though perhaps it should raise one’s index of suspicion).
cherrybim, who knows how much greater those Roshei Yeshiva would’ve been if their pure neshomos had not been tainted by tracing handprint turkeys and coloring mothers’ day cards in their innocent childhood years?
volvie, which KKK congressman proposed the legislation to create Mothers’ Day?
If we’re posting physics driving jokes, it would be neglectful to omit the one about the time Werner Heisenberg was speeding & was stopped by a cop. The cop asked, “Do you know how fast you’re driving?” Heisenberg replies, “No, but I know exactly where I am.”
Dr. Pepper, the term “monetary value” doesn’t actually exclude the value of the coin as a collector’s item (since it generally indicates the money the item could be sold for). Although I understood your intent, it may have been more clear if you’d written “nominal value” or “face value”.
We have both mortgage debt & educational loans, but that’s all.
SJS, that is great that you were able to avoid educational debt. I was able to get scholarships & grants for college/ grad school, plus I worked some, but my husband has student loans.
Good luck on paying off that debt Zach.
haifagirl, but that would require replacing intersections with roundabouts.
charliehall, thanks for that information.
hello99,
We see in Sefer Shmuel that it is dangerous for a Jewish king to count the Yidden in the manner that Dovid HaMelech did. But the US census does not count only the Jews, nor is it conducted by a Jewish king.
There are many accounts in both TaNaCh & Torah SheB’al Peh of our travails in golus. It is unlikely that the Yidden were not counted at any time during their time in mitzrayim or bavel, yet I am unaware of any mention that they suffered a plague or other punishment as a result of such a census. If there is one I’m missing (or an account from other exiles) I’d appreciate if someone would mention it here.
smartcookie, why shouldn’t you eat if you are “really hungry”?
I tried to donate blood when I was old enough, but I found out that the minimum weight requirement isn’t just a suggestion. The nurse told me to get on a scale & said, “You need the blood more than we do.”
However, when I had my babies I donated the cord blood, as there is no minumum weight requirement for that.
I am grateful that non-gebrochts products such as pasta, croutons, and various mixes exist, because my oldest daughter has celiac disease. I stock up on these products before and after pesach so that we’ll have enough for the rest of the year (some of these products don’t get used at all during the yom tov).
ronsnr, have you heard Tom Lehrer’s menu song? It’s not math oriented, but also amusing.
That chanukah song is the first place I’ve ever seen “charming” & “East St. Louis” in the same sentence.
According to the endocrineweb.com website, type II diabetes has a significant herediatry/ genetic component (that’s why it’s much more common in some populations, such as Native Americans), though obesity is also a factor.
“Type 2 diabetes tends to be fairly hereditary in contrast to type 1 diabetes. Approximately 38% of siblings and one-third of children of people with type 2 diabetes will develop diabetes or abnormal glucose metabolism at some point…Studies with identical twins showed that 90-100% of the time when diabetes developed in one it would also develop in the other compared with 50% in type 1 diabetes.”
Researchers suspect that while some may be genetically disposed to Type I diabetes, environmental exposure plays a stronger role than in Type II. One factor under consideration is the effect of infant formulas; the TRIGR study is investigating this possibility.
I’m not sure where the studies are published, but the inheritability of Type II diabetes is a generally accepted fact in endocrinology, found in any basic textbook on the subject.
eggs or some type of soy products, if you can eat those.
edited to add: what do you eat the rest of the time?
smartcookie, you may be right. But I’d guess some people already know it, and there aren’t that many geeky jokes to begin with, so I thought I’d mention it.
But that reminds me of another joke that is postable:
This guy is listening to a group of people chatting and laughing. They are enjoying themselves so much that he listen in and realizes that they aren’t having an actual conversation. Instead, one person calls out “number 9” and everyone laughs, then as soon as they stop laughing another person calls out “number 32” and they all crack up again. So the guy asks one of the group what’s going on, and he says, “We’re such old friends that we already know each others jokes, so we just refer to them by number instead of telling the whole joke.”
The eavesdropper is fascinated by this & decides to join in. At the next lull in the laughter, he calls, “number 9”, but to his disappointment only a few people laugh. When he asks what he did wrong, he’s told, “You didn’t tell it right.”
squeak, I’ve heard that joke told about doctors. It’s not the one I’m thinking of though. In the one I’m thinking of, the group of engineers concludes that G-d is a civil engineer. And that’s all I can write about that.
The jokes that start, “what do you get when you cross…” reminded me of this math one:
What do you get when you cross a mosquito and a mountain climber?
Nothing, you can’t cross a vector with a scaler (scalar)
I know a funnier one about a bunch of engineers arguing about which type of engineer they think G-d is, but I think it would get censored.
hereorthere, that sounds like a fascinating topic. I’d like to read about that if anyone has any information to contribute.
Feel free to start a new topic
I agree with previous posters who mentioned crafts. My 10-year-old son doesn’t like sports but is always looking for new projects to try. During the summer he plants flowers & vegetables. His latest hobby is origami.
A.C. Moore & other craft stores (if you have internet access you can find store coupons online) are a good source for craft & projects kits. Your sons may also enjoy caring for small pets like freshwater fish or an ant farm. Kids that age sometimes enjoy easy science experiments such as making rock candy (you can add food coloring to make it look fancier).
Protein–maybe yogurt, cheese or egg–is a great choice for a bedtime snack
Actually the word “sieve” does conform to the rule. I am not familiar with the word “seive” though.
Jose, aries may have meant to write “five grains” rather than shivas haminim. The five grains–wheat, barley, rye, oats, and spelt–all generally require al hamichyah or bircas hamazon as a bracha acharonah. And yes, all five grains can become chometz.
Poster, that was just beautiful.
The reason pharmacies and physicians must register in order to obtain accutane is because it’s teratogenic (category x) and is strongly associated with miscarriage and birth defects. Therefore it should be avoided by women who are pregnant or may become pregnant.
tomim tihye, your post reminded me of when my then-6-year-old son told me that he had a substitute because his rebbe was absent. I asked him if he knew whether his rebbe would be back the next day, & he said, “I don’t know, maybe he’s dead.” When I asked him why he’d think that, he told me that when the students asked the rebbe how old he was, the rebbe said he was 105. Knowing that this is very old, and not realizing that the rebbe (who’s probably in his 50’s or 60’s) was joking, my son figured it would happen sometime soon.
I agree with anuran that the Joy of Cooking is a terrific reference. It has a very detailed index & contains enough detail that you feel confident trying new recipes or even improvising from them.