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anon for thisParticipant
May I submit my own mashal? Thanks.
A master once had two servants who both followed his instructions, but not the same way.
An example: One day he asked both for a drink of water. The first servant found, cleaned, buffed and polished a beautiful silver goblet. He filled the cup with cold filtered water, and placed it on a platter (also buffed and polished). The servant then dressed in his finest clothes and served the water to the master with a deep bow. The first servant then watched as the second servant, who was moving much slower, also fulfilled the master’s request.
The first servant noticed, much to his consternation, that the second servant was not honoring the master as was proper. While the second servant did find a fine silver goblet which he buffed and polished, he did not buff and polish as thoroughly as the first servant, and actually left a patch of tarnish on it. He also moved much slower than the first servant, pausing frequently in his work. The water was not as thoroughly chilled, and while the second servant did wear fine clothes to present the water to the king, he did not dress as well and his tie was crooked.
The first servant pointed out each of these shortcomings, but despite his best efforts to point out exactly what the other was doing wrong, the second servant just continued on his way. The first servant eventually gave up on trying to improve the first servant, figuring that when the master paid both servants, the second servant would be forced to recognize his faults.
Finally the second servant presented the water to the master. When the time came for the master to pay his two servants, he brought the first servant into his palace, and seated him at the master’s own table, where he fed him fine delicacies. Much to the surprise of the first servant, the master also brought the second servant into his palace and seated him at his own table, at his right. The master fed the second servant the finest delicacies from his table, even better than what he gave the first servant.
The first servant approached the master and asked, repectfully, why the master had chosen to honor the second servant even more than the first, when the first servant had done more to honor the master. The master explained that the second servant suffered severe pains in his arms and legs, and that his efforts to honor the master had cost him great effort and pain, and were in fact greater than the master had ever expected of him. “And,” added the master, “If you were so concerned that the other servant was not honoring me appropriately, why did you not help him in his work?”.
anon for thisParticipantJoseph,
The pesukimi you quoted say nothing about how we are to interact with sinners, only about their untimate punishment. So I’m not sure how they are relevant to this discussion.
anon for thisParticipantEsther1 got it right. The power grid which covers 3/4 of Texas is largely isolated from the rest of the contiguous US & Mexico. Today there are a few small direct current transmission lines, but these are different from the large-capacity alternating currect lines that would be needed to connect the state to the power grid.
The grid originally was completely isolated, and was designed that way to avoid federal oversight of the grid. The interconnected power grids in the other 48 states are under the jurisdiction of FERC, the Federal Electric Regulatory Commission (Texas’s DC connection lines with other states are under FERC’s jurisdiction though). The Texas grid, except for the DC ties, are only under the jurisdiction of the state public utility commission. Of course this wouldn’t have been possible if Texas didn’t have sufficient sources of power generation inside the state, including two nuclear power plants and many natural gas and oil plants.
anon for thisParticipantWhich state’s electric grid is almost completely isolated from that of all other states (of the contiguous 48)? Why was this state’s grid designed that way?
anon for thisParticipantYanky55,
I apologize for projecting then. I wrote what I did because I found those comments offensive. I hope you are not offended by what I wrote, since that surely was not my intention.
/end hijack
anon for thisParticipantDr. Pepper,
My favorite riddle so far, and not just because I knew the answer! Mazal Tov!
anon for thisParticipantThe Big One,
I think Yanky55 may have felt offended when some posters accused him of speaking loshon hara/ lying (despite repeated questions, I wasn’t able to clarify the exact nature of Yanky55’s “offense”) about a godol hador when he posted some facts about this godol in another thread.
anon for thisParticipantdd,
Are you asking why people say “by” instead of “at”? I believe it’s a yiddishism.
December 15, 2008 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm in reply to: Television: A Cry of Anguish and Appeal to Our Jewish Brethren 📺 #1192860anon for thisParticipantJoseph and The Big One,
Both of you accused Yanky55 of telling loshon hara. Are you saying this because you don’t believe R’ Soloveichik had a television in his apartment, or because you think Yanky55 is telling the truth but it’s wrong to say it? Please clarify.
December 15, 2008 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm in reply to: Please Share Recommendations For Children’s Fiction #670093anon for thisParticipantThanks for all of the suggestions.
ICOT, the Reys were Jewish and were fleeing Paris ahead of the Nazis. I read a couple of years ago about a recently discovered manuscript of theirs with stories about a penguin, but since I’ve not heard anything about it since I suppose it wasn’t published. We did come up with some of the same suggestions.
Another classic children’s picture series my kids liked was the _Babar_ books by Bemmelmans.
xerox, my kids like the Junie B. Jones books by Barabara Park too.
My kids also enjoyed the Wayside School books by Louis Sachar. They are chapter books for younger kids, but my older kids liked them too. There are 3 storybooks in the series; a fourth book, _Sideways Math from Wayside School_ is actually a collection of challenging math problems.
December 15, 2008 3:29 am at 3:29 am in reply to: Please Share Recommendations For Children’s Fiction #670085anon for thisParticipantThanks so much for the suggestions. I’ll share some of my kids’ favorites:
Picture Books: The _Little Bear_ series by Elsa Homelund Minarik is very sweet, but not cloying (the illustrations by Maurice Sendak help with this). _Chicka Chicka Boom Boom_ is a fun-to-read alphabet book. Dr. Seuss is also fun to read; my favorites to read aloud are _The Sneetches and Other Stories_ and _Fox in Socks_. Esther1 mentioned _Chrysanthemum_; my kids also liked _Owen_ and _Wemberley Worried_ by the same author (Kevin Henkes). My children also liked _Harry the Dirty Dog_ by Gene Zion. The Curious George series (by Margeret and H.A. Rey) is another my children liked (there are only about 5 original ones; I don’t think the others are as good).
My younger kids also like _The Light in the Attic_, children’s poetry by Shel Silverstein (not all poetry by Shel Silverstein is suitable for kids).
Picture books for older kids: My children really enjoyed _The Magic Schoolbus_ series by Joanna Cole and Bruce Degen. I found the picture books more fun to read aloud, but one of my kids liked the chapter books too. These books introduce science concepts; except for those that deal with evolution I’d think most would find them appropriate.
Chapter Books (younger readers): My kids like _The Littles_ series by John Peterson. I didn’t like them as much, mostly because the concept (tiny people live, unrecognized, in the houses of regular people, living off their leftovers and castoffs) seemed ripped off from _The Borrowers_ series by Mary Norton, which I read as a child and my oldest daughter likes.
Chapter Books (somewhat older readers/ older readers): Beverly Cleary wrote a number of great childrens books, including the Beezus and Ramona books, the Henry Huggins series, and the Mouse and the Motorcycle series. Almost everything she wrote would likely be considered appropriate in any home where secular books are read. Roald Dahl’s books, including _Charlie and the Chocolate Factory_ and its sequel, are easy to read aloud but my kids liked reading them on their own too. They also liked E.B. White’s _Charlotte’s Web_, _Stuart Little_, and the _Trumpet of the Swan_.
My oldest daughter liked the Great Brain series ICOT mentioned and _From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler_, which Esther1 mentioned.
My oldest son likes books about animals, especially dogs. One that’s not so well-known is _Stone Fox_ by John Reynolds Gardiner. As in most books in the genre, the dog does die in the end.
My oldest kids like Chaim Walder’s _Kids Speak_ series too. And they also enjoy reading the Little Medrash Says on the Torah and The Family Medrash says on Nevi’im Rishonim. My younger and older kids like hearing it read aloud (very nice for long Shabbos evenings) and the older ones can read it themselves too.
Thanks for all of the suggestions. I’d appreciate any more that anyone would care to share.
anon for thisParticipantasdfghjkl,
If you don’t mind my asking, are you in Dublin?
December 15, 2008 2:05 am at 2:05 am in reply to: Please Share Recommendations For Children’s Fiction #670081anon for thisParticipantasdfghjkl,
My younger kids really like the Amelia Bedelia books!
brooklyn19,
My daughter liked Andrew Clements’ _The Report Card_ and _The Landry News_ a lot.
Esther1,
I’m interested in both picture books and library books.
ICOT,
Your thread description was better and more detailed than mine.
anon for thisParticipantI suppose I’d prefer books for the “read-aloud” ages, that is the age ranges of my kids who like to hear books read aloud. That would be ages 5-10 for us. Would you prefer to start a new thread for the reply, or to post it in the random questions thread, to end the hijack of loyalyid’s thread?
anon for thisParticipantICOT,
What children’s books would you recommend?
anon for thisParticipantjewishfeminist02,
I certainly missed your posts. Even though I don’t always agree with you, your posts are always articulate and carefully thought-out, and never angry. If everyone posted as carefully as you, the level of acrimony would decrease considerably. Of course real life takes precedence over the CR though. How are classes going?
anon for thisParticipantjewishfeminist02,
Actually this thread reminded me of that chapter too. I spend a lot of time reading aloud to my kids, and the Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle series is one they enjoy hearing.
December 14, 2008 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm in reply to: Television: A Cry of Anguish and Appeal to Our Jewish Brethren 📺 #1192836anon for thisParticipantThe Big One,
So you do believe the poster wasn’t telling the truth? Or do you think that it is true, but it’s wrong to repeat this story anyway? Please clarify.
December 14, 2008 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm in reply to: Television: A Cry of Anguish and Appeal to Our Jewish Brethren 📺 #1192827anon for thisParticipantThe Big One,
Are you then saying that the poster who mentioned the television in R’ Soloveichik’s apartment isn’t telling the truth? Or do you think the poster is telling the truth, but was wrong to mention such a thing about R’ Soloveichik?
December 14, 2008 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm in reply to: Television: A Cry of Anguish and Appeal to Our Jewish Brethren 📺 #1192821anon for thisParticipantFor those who are stating that it’s loshon hara to say that R’ Soloveitchik lived in an apartment which had a television, what about the loshon hara involved in accusing another poster of not telling the truth?
intellegent,
My experience was somewhat different than yours, in that while I was growing up my family did have a television, though I didn’t spend much time watching it & rarely talked about it (because I didn’t find it especially interesting). Many of my classmates who did not have televisions at home arranged to watch television at the homes of relatives or babysitting clients who did own them. One classmate arranged for her regular babysitting client to tape a soap opera she liked to watch, and shared the plot with other classmates. So to say that anyone who grew up without a television never thinks about it, while those who grew up with one do think about it, is not always the case. (Although to be fair it’s quite possible that these classmates, who likely do not have televisions now, don’t miss it either).
That said, I don’t own a television now because I don’t think it’s appropriate for myself or my family (and I don’t miss it a bit). Nevertheless, I would not condemn others to lose their share in olam haba because they own a television. I really doubt that my grandmother o”h, who moved to E”Y towards the end of her life, lost her share in olam haba because she watched the news in English on her 13″ black and white television. I don’t think that R’ Avigdor Miller meant that every single Jew who owns a television, regardless of his/ her reasons for doing so and situation in life, will have no share in olam haba. If someone could share the context in which he made that remark, I’d appreciate it.
illini07,
I agree that the “divine calculator” theory you describe sounds distinctly unJewish–in fact it sounds like a completely different religion to me.
anon for thisParticipantIf jewishfeminist02 really pointed out everyone’s errors, she’d be the most prolific poster here (maybe from my posts alone).
anon for thisParticipantasdfghjkl,
It’s unfortunate that people are not aware of this, as I believe the information about which items are prohibited (including fresh fruits, vegetables, plants) is clearly stated in the customs declaration every passenger must sign.
anon for thisParticipantwhatshaiches,
I encountered the attitude you describe when I lived in a small midwestern Jewish community. My husband was earning a rather small salary in a training position so I worked outside the home to help pay for basics such as mortgage, food, and full tuition for my school aged children, as well as day care for my younger ones. (Because my husband’s job required long & irregular hours he could not work another job or take on significant child care responsibilities). Basically 90% of my salary after day care paid my children’s tuition. All of the teachers/ kollel members who had children in the school paid minimal or no tuition; these children comprised about 50% of the student body. Because this frum community is relatively small, kollel members received a salary underwritten by a wealthy donor, and teachers were better compensated than in larger frum communities.
When I lost my job while I was pregnant, and was unable to find a new one, it was very difficult to convince the school administrator that we were no longer able to pay full tuition. He told us that if had sufficient mesiras nefesh we would be able to pay tuition anyways. We explained that we couldn’t afford cleaning help, drove older cars that had been purchased used (my huband worked long and irregular hours and we felt two vehicles were necessary), and did not take vacations. We rarely bought new clothes for ourselves, and bought our children’s clothing used or took hand-me-downs.
We explained to the administrator that we had been happy to do this so we could pay full tuition, even though it meant our general standard of living was lower than those of the klei kodesh in the community, but since I’d lost my job and couldn’t find another this was no longer possible. We showed him our tax return, pointing out that my husband’s salary was less than that received by teachers and kollel members, and was fully taxed besides. He just reiterated that if we had real mesiras nefesh, we’d find a way to pay full tuition, but was unable to give specific examples of how we could do this.
It took months before the administrator agreed to reduce our children’s tuition, and I also arranged to work at the school to earn credit towards their tuition. To his credit I will note that he did not kick our children out of the school or seriously threaten to do so.
Because I’d lost my job and was pregnant, my children and I qualified for Medicaid and WIC assistance, which reduced our grocery bill by at least 30%. My preschool aged children stayed home with me, and I no longer needed to arrange or pay for child care for my older kids on their days off from school. B”H we made it through the next year, but this humiliating and disillsioning experience was part of the reason my husband looked for jobs in other cities when he finished his training.
B”H we now live in a wonderful community, where people are respected for who they are, not what they do for a living.
anon for thisParticipantItzik_s,
I wouldn’t say that a housecat, especially one who’s been declawed, isn’t dependent on people. It’s just their attitude.
anon for thisParticipantasdfghjkl,
Generally most countries don’t allow one to bring fresh fruit or vegetables from other countries, due to infestation concerns.
anon for thisParticipantNo, it’s a reference to _The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, a book by Douglas Adams, in which a supercomputer is built to discover the answer to “Life, the Universe and Everything”. It comes up with 42 as the answer.
Sorry for being flip. But your question was such a perfect setup that I couldn’t resist.
anon for thisParticipantJoseph,
You wrote: “What is the meaning of life?”
That’s easy. 42.
anon for thisParticipantICOT,
Never mind, I get the reference now to Joe Kennedy “cooking” the books, or buying the 1960 elections. Actually I think JFK Jr. once made a joke about this when visiting Chicago. He said that the city was the home of two of his family’s big purchases: the Merchandise Mart convention center (which once belonged to the Kennedy family) and the 1960 election.
anon for thisParticipantICOT,
It definitely worked, although I think only in combination with the PT boar incident. Ted Sorenson was a great writer–I think that generally speechwriters don’t get a lot of credit; I suppose that’s the nature of the business.
Sorry, I don’t understand your last sentence.
anon for thisParticipantICOT,
I like your choices for most influential books. Minor nitpick: it’s widely believed that while JFK came up with the concept for _Profiles in Courage_, it was largely written by others, primarily his speechwriter Ted Sorenson.
anon for thisParticipantSJS,
I want to mention here that I really appreciate your posts. You always express yourself carefully and respectfully, even when responding to those who are less careful and respectful. Even though my Rav didn’t give me the same p’ask as yours I appreciate the restraint you are showing.
anon for thisParticipantillini07,
I’d add to your post that in addition to the danger of driving while under the influence, which most people are aware of, there’s also the danger of alcohol poisoning and of a minor becoming a victim of an accident/ crime because his judgement is impaired due to alcohol consumption (althought I think the last would be much tougher to prosecute).
anon for thisParticipantJoseph,
The fraternity may have a “sincerely held religious belief” in being allowed to serve alcohol to minors without any consequences. And the adult serving alcohol to minors on Purim may not be completely consistent in his observance of Judaism. Really I don’t think either of us want the courts to start examining our religious observance.
Actually I gave this as an extreme example. The religious exemption to social hosts laws, as described by Chuck Schwab, is big enough to drive a Budweiser truck through. Also, as I’ve mentioned above, it’s not consistent with other areas of law, which don’t allow religious exemptions for neglect/ abuse. I’m not discounting Mr. Schwab’s experience, but I think that just because this type of crime has never been prosecuted doesn’t mean it never will be prosecuted. As illini07 noted, not all social host laws have religious exemptions, and probably neither do all teen party laws (which have a lower threshold for prosecution in that adults can be held liable even if no crime results).
anon for thisParticipantIf one could exempt himself from any liability for serving alcohol to minors by citing religious beliefs, I’d expect every college fraternity to call itself a Jewish organization, and move Rush Week to Purim time. That way they could avoid any liability for any crimes/ hospitalizations that result from minors drinking.
anon for thisParticipantthe chavrusas,
I don’t own any pets other than fish, but when visiting acquaintances who own pets I’ve not ever noticed a bad smell. One would probably want to avoid davening near the litter box, but I doubt that would smell worse than a diaper pail (which b”h I have experienced). Of course davening near a re’ach ra is an issue around small children, who are definitely capable of smelling up a good part of the house.
anon for thisParticipantFor (5) I’d mention a few American authors offhand. I’d definitely include Harriet Beecher Stowe is definitely one, because _Uncle Tom’s Cabin_ unleashed a great deal of feeling against slavery. When Abraham Lincoln met her, he said, “So you’re the little lady who started this great war.”
I’d also include Upton Sinclair’s _The Jungle_ since it contributed to the passage of legislation regulating food production.
More recently, I’d include Rachel Carson’s _Silent Spring_, which sparked awareness of the effects of chemicals on the environment and led to the banning of DDT and other pesticides.
December 10, 2008 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm in reply to: Crooked Illinois Governor Story; Jackson Involved, How About Sharpton? #627118anon for thisParticipantActually Peter Fitzgerald mentioned several times during the press conference that President-elect Obama has nothing to do with the indictment, beyond the fact that his Senate seat was the one being sold. So I’m not sure how the “Obama campaign” is taking heat for this. Associating Obama and Blagojevich makes about as much sense as associating Alaska Governor Sarah Palin with the crimes of former Alaska Senator Ted Stevens.
anon for thisParticipantI’m not a lawyer, but I find it hard to believe that one would be exempt from any damages (including civil damages) that result from providing alcohol to a minor simply by claiming that this was done for religious purposes. As I understand it, religious beliefs do not absolve someone from damages resulting from carrying out these beliefs, so I’m not sure why this would be different. For example, a parent who neglects to provide basic medical care to his child, claiming that his religious beliefs prohibit this, can be held liable if the child suffers an illness or dies as a result. (This past spring a Wisconsin couple was indicted for neglecting to seek medical treatment for their daughter’s diabetes; she died of diabetic ketoacidosis as they prayed for her). If Chuck Schwab is here, I’d appreciate it if he could elaborate on this.
anon for thisParticipantThanks for the update.
anon for thisParticipantSJS, you’re right, I definitely still think like one.
anon for thisParticipantJoseph,
That’s true, and I never said otherwise. But by putting other people down we make ourselves seem insecure. And calling other human beings trash is disparaging creations made in His image. I don’t think that’s behavior well-suited to superior people.
anon for thisParticipantSJS, yes, but I don’t work outside the home now.
anon for thisParticipantnoitallmr,
I disagree with you on this point. This exchange reminds me of a story I heard of a godol who, the day after a US presidential election, asked who had won. When those around him expressed surprise that he wanted to know (since he didn’t usually take an interest in politics), he explained that when he said the bracha “shelo asani goy” he wanted to have in mind the most powerful person in the world.
We should feel proud and grateful for being Jews, and recognize the privilege and responsibility associated with this. If we have to talk ourselves into feeling better by selectively comparing ourselves to those around us, and call them names to feel superior, then I think we are sadly missing the point. Not to mention that I don’t think Hashem wants us to criticize creations made in His image.
anon for thisParticipantICOT & Dr. Pepper,
I can prove a^n+b^n=c^n is false for all n>2. Oops, just ran out of space.
anon for thisParticipantBYM,
Usually I really like your posts, but I do object to your referring to people that way. I’ve also traveled the subways, and encountered all kinds of panhandlers and fake deaf people, along with more unsavory characters, but I wouldn’t refer to any of them as “trash”. Remember, every human was created b’tzelem elokim.
anon for thisParticipantChuck Schwab,
Thanks for your post. Would you please clarify a couple of questions for me? Are you saying that if someone gives a minor alcohol, and the minor suffers alcohol poisoning or some other accident (excluding DUI) as a result, the host would be exempt from any prosecution if he maintains that this alcohol consumption is required by religious law? Would the host also be not be prosecutable in any civil suit, if he maintains said consumption was required under religious law?
anon for thisParticipantICOT,
3,4, and 5 are a pythagorean triple. That is, they can form the sides of a right triangle, where 5 is the side opposite the right angle. Then, according to the Pythagorean Theorem, 3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2 (9+16=25). Another example of a unique Pythagorean Triple would be 5,12, and 13.
anon for thisParticipantillini07,
Thanks for reiterating that social host laws have no religious exemption.
Regarding laws allowing minors to consume alcohol for religious purposes, I believe they were originally written to allow consumption of alcohol during church religious ceremonies. These ceremonies involve consumption of _small_ quantities of wine. So it seems to me that the spirit of the law was never intended to allow consumption of the quantities required to inebriate someone.
Also, in addition to social host laws, some municipalities are starting to pass teen party laws. These laws lower the threshold for prosecution, in that adults can be held liable even if no one is injured as a result of the drinking. I didn’t mention these before because it seems that these laws are relatively new and not common. But they do signal a new awareness of the dangers of serving alcohol to minors and a willingness to prosecute this.
anon for thisParticipantillini07,
Thanks for clarifying my points better than I could myself. To elaborate on your point (2) above, social host laws hold adults liable if they serve alcohol to a minor (that is, someone under the legal drinking age of 21) who injures himself or someone else as a result. These laws exist in some communities in NY and NJ.
To my knowledge social host laws contain no exemption for alcohol consumed for religious purposes. It seems to me that social host laws wouldn’t affect consumption of alcohol for kiddush, since a minimal amount of alcohol is comsumed. However, if one serves a minor sufficient alcohol so that he is “drunk and falling asleep from drunkenness” then if any injury results c”v social host laws would likely apply.
anon for thisParticipantJoseph,
Would you please answer my question? Check my last three posts if you forgot what it is.
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