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Reb Moshe Feinstein Zatzal once said when asked about a boy for a shidduch if he is frum.
“Frum is a gallach. Ehr is ehrlich”I am quite new here but you guys are pathetic.
I mean there is clearly so much inteligence in some of you and you act like a bunch of bored yeshiva bachurim whose Rebbi didnt show up for a day.
You forgot that he speaks Ivrit and learns too much chasidus
There unfortunately so many in the chasidish society that don’t have a Rebbe ,don’t go to tishin etc.
If you ask them which chasidus they belong to they will tell you they are “nuetral” chasidim.
They keep minhagim because of social norms and some don’t know the difference between a minhag and a deoraisoh because it’s all “cultural”.I want to reiterate this is not disparraging chas vesholom the many many ehrlicher chasidishe yidden. But the type I am referring to is a very large growing sub community within the chassidim and it seems to me as an accepted trend amongst them.
PLease correct me if I am wrong….There doesn’t seem to be anyone within their community screaming “this is NOT chasidus but plain am haratzus and prikas ol!!”
@avira
Apology acceptedThere is one major chiluk btween those Litvishe who rationalize their laxity in mitzvos by the fact they are learning and the “chasidim in dress only”.
We all know the Chazal “Halevai oisi uzvu vetorosi shomoru shhameor shebo machziroi lemutov”And besides those Litvishe are being busy with good things e.g. horreving in torah, albeit lax possibly in other things. You can’t call them not spiritual just missing in some.
But someone whose whole yidishkeit is only in dress is a different story altogether.
I don’t see the comparison.That is unless you go with the hard core Chasidish shita that all such torah learning goes straight to the Sitra Acher. I don’t know though how that shtims with the Chazal above…
No just the opposite
We have mesorah for the last 100 plus years not to follow the mishna in Avos for our generations
I was only disparaging the ones who are only “cultruly chasidim” but have no shaychus to chasidus per say besides their Shabbos dress. And I was lamenting the fact that they are concidered the norm for chasidim today.
Avira
I am not sure who is being hateful now.You are so sure of yourself that everything you say is the ultimate Torah Min Shomayim and everyone else is hateful/misguided/does’t understand/apikoires/dillusional…..just to name a few.
For the record I agree with many things you say, but who gives you the right to declare are you are “The Only Ultimate Truth”. It smells from real arrogance.
where?
If you were referring to what I called “one big club” I meant to say that their is not much distinguishment between the talmidei chachamim and the ones who are lax in their yiddishkeit.
They dress the same on Shabbos, send to the same schools etc,Halevei I am not sure what you mean. Please clarify which perspective do you find boggeling.
But in any event I am totaly not an outsider not in the Yeshivish world which I grew up in (as in my username) nor in the chasidishe world which I am very familiar with from living amongst them for close to 20 years and having many many chasidish aquainteses professionally and personally.
Avira I am not hateful at all. I know many very choshuve chasidishe yungertleit etc.
What i meant is that is that in the non chasidish world (Note I don’t call them Litvish because lots of them have nothing to do with Lita or Litvish Yeshivos ) someone who is modern or just plain not acting frum knows that he (or she) isn’t up to par in their Yiddishkeit. I don’t think that is as much the case by the chasidishe society. It is just one big club.
But you do have a point that they could of been totaly OTD in the non chasidish world.
But then they can always come back which BH happens alot. But if they are comfortable with their status quo and just ok in their community that is unlikely to happen.The Besh”t didn’t promote static in yiddishkeit rather reaching the masses and lifting them up.
On another note it pains me to see people who are part of Chasidishe society who are totaly not medakdek in mitzvos, are far removed from any spirituality but are able to rationalize it and feel ok with it because they speak yiddish and thier kids have curly gelled payos.
this is defenitly not what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind.Nefesh Hachim is not “chasidishe” concepts. Its just that “chasidism” especialy Chabad took regular Jewish concepts from Arizal and others and called it “chasidus”. Kabalah and pnimius hatorah have been around long before Chabad.
@moderator
I meant CR. I think you are scared to post anything that is controversial unless it is done by the old timers like Avira and the sort.
Oh well…If you only knew…
As has been said before we don’t worry about controversy or disagreeing with a viewpoint. Your post was questionable because of the comments toward a whole community or derech. It was still being discussed when you started complaining.
It seems cf didn’t like my post. Oh well. It was the truth.
cf?
How about Rambam daily for the Sefardim.
Oh I’m sorry Chabad grabbed that already.
So Machaneh Efrayim or Mishne Lemelech……NU Reb Zev ….The oilam is waiting for the first instalment!!
Gevaldik. One interisting thing i heard bshem Rav Chatzkel Abramsky ZAtzal about the hagaos Chazon Ish on Reb Chaim.
He said the first way to understand their machlokos is…This is Reb Chaim and this is the Chazon Ish.
Very deep insight.Somehow I get a niggeling feeling that this anonymous forum ain’t gonna change anything. You want to to do something constructive you need to get the people who signed on the cheirem for peshutu shel mikroh on your side. Maybe they will make a round table discussion or a panel of todays major gevirim and Frum therapists to talk about it by next Agudah Convention.
Or maybe they won’t…….Dr Pepper
I fully agree with you. You have my vote in the next Republican primary.
I don’t repeat loshon horoh….PLease listen good the first time