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Avirah

You mentioned earlier about essays from Rav Shapiro.
Which Rav Shapiro is this? I would love to see them. how can I get ahold of them?

Dear NoM

I did that in earlier posts which you decided is only .oooosomething of society.

I myself learned there many years ago and boys waited over a year to get into shiur and it was the norm to come to BMG at age 24 and then get stuck in the freezer….

I have sons that age now who are hoping to go to Brisk (because if you don’t you are just “nisht”) and they tell me their respective Rosh Yeshivos only put 4th year bachurim on the reshima and even than they are backed up with talmidim in E”Y who are waiting to get in and are in the “waiting places” (sounds to me like a a bus station platform. lol).

And then they need to wait at least a year to get into Reb Yankel or Chaim ben RAY shiur. It seems RAY shiur itself is out of style or maybe min 2 year wait.

So as you said my math isn’t the greatest so please make your own cheshbon with or without a caculator.

Some 25 years ago RAY gave a chumash shiur in which he explained the Briskar shita of “Bikoires”

He said that having “bikoires” on another gadol doesn’t in any way mean to disqualify that persons greatness. It is just their mesorah to teach bachurim what they feel is right and wrong according to their own Briskar mesoirah and point out where others went astray from what they concider correct.

He gave a poignant mashal of when by his own Bar Mitzva his father Rav Berel Zatzal took him to get a bracha from the then Mirrer RY ( I forget who it was) even though the day before his father shreid away about something that RY did.

He understood that his father had utmost respect for him even though he disagreed with certain shitos of his.

He went on to say that our problem is that we judge Gedolim by the news outlets (he specified one) and they “make” our gedolim. THerefore we feel if we made them than having taynos on them ultimately brakes them.

Disclaimer: I am not saying I or others agree to their shita and explanation. But as he himself said that doesn’t necessarily disqualify them from gadlus.

And despite my personal missgiving the mere fact HKBH gave him such success for so many years against all odds when other Yeshivos came and went many time over….seems to show a certain siyata deshmaya he must have.

It was Rabbi Pini LIpshitz not Reb Elya Svei’s son

nomesorah
I understand you relish in the fact that mesorah and anyone who cares about authentic yiddishkeit means didley squat to you.
I have no idea how you came to your eqation of bachurim who want to go to Brisk is 0.06% of learning boys population.
Did you google it?
But one thing I do know is that they comprise a very big bulk of the serious lomdei torah in the yeshiva circles of the next generation.
So make fun and leitzonus all you want. You are after all a self proclaimed No Mesorahnik who probably goes into the catagory of soinei talmidei chachomim and soinei torah which the last I heard is based on our mesorah for genarations up to Har Sinai.

To clarify:
There are 700 plus bachurim in Brisk of R A. Y.
Another approx 700 in what is called Praegers who are there because they didn’t get in to Brisk.
Another couple of hundred in other places like Yagdil and such for the same reason. E.g. They didn’t have pull or didn’t stay till 4th year in their respective American yeshiva to get on the “reshima”

All these fine boys are only in EY because its just what you have to do.

Totally ludicrous. Absolutely crazy. We are being led by our nose by a couple of Chaims Berels and Shmerels [to quote one famous American RY]