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I haven’t looked at this thread for a while, but the sickening name-calling from Qwerty should not be allowed. Is there anyone moderating anymore? Or did the cofferoom turn into a smelly mud-slinging cesspool?
Thank you @yuda the maccabee for referencing Rabbi Mordechai Nuergershal’s speech.
I just listened to the whole thing, and it is fantastic!
Anybody who really cares about understanding rather than spewing hatred should take the time to listen.
@Shaszeri
“Even a היינטיגע ראש ישיבה couldn’t be so ignorant.”
Why the continuous Mevazeh Talmidei Chachomim??? Are you so arrogant you don’t even care to forfeit your olam habah for a little letzanus??
@Shazshen
“And obviously all the roshei yeshiva, etc. who weigh in with their two cents on these inyanim.”
You seem like a Yodea Sefer and maybe even a Talmid Chochom, but that line is mevazeh Talmidei Chachomim, which Chazal put in the category of apikores.
There was a very famous Rebetzin, a daughter of a great Rosh Yeshiva in Lita and subsequently wife and mother of great American Roshei Yeshivos, who had her entire family murdered by the Nazis YM”S.
She told her talmidos that she is not sure who is better off, her family that was murdered in front of her eyes or herself. “They went straight to Olam Habah, but me, who knows?”As mentioned earlier the only real break is in Chodesh Av whether from Rosh Chodesh or Tisha Beav.
Most serious Kollelim have only from from Tisha Beav. Yeshivos vary.
And yes, a serious Yeshivaman is in Kollel from Shacharis until 11 p.m., with small lunch and supper breaks. If you don’t know such a person, it is probably because you hung around the wrong Chevra when in Kollel (if you were at all).
And yes, a Kollelman needs a break from structured learning, whether it is to spend time with his family, which commonly he may barely see from Shabbos to Shabbos because the little ones are asleep when he gets home from night seder, or to learn his own limud at his own timing.
Bachurim, for sure need bein hazmanim. They are basically mandated students; some of them happy and prosperous in Yeshiva; some not. They are young boys holding up the world with their Limud Hatorah, and need to feel that we appreciate them and give them their appropiate breaks.
I think anyone kvetching about too much bein hazmanim doesn’t appreciate the sacrifice Kollel Yungerleit are making, living on an extremely tight budget, forgoing all the extras most people take for granted as “must haves” and are the one keeping those others alive and well in their zechus.
Same with our Hielige Bachurim who are “horoving” in learning. Some love it and some don’t. But are doing it anyways.
Of course there are the “leidigeiers” but that doesn’t take away from the ones putting in the best of their kochos and are upholding the world- YOUR WORLD!!
HONOR THEM. RESPECT THEM. SHARE IN THEIR ZECHUS!!!!
1 He doesn’t vote in bechiros
2 He doesn’t fight in IDF
3 He is not part of MO community
4 He is not Lubavitch
5 a few more requisites that don’t come to mind right now.SO……..
He must be your Gadol Hador!!!!
Quote from Shari Goodman on Arutz7
It was not President Trump who refused to enforce our immigration laws. It was YOU!It was not President Trump who opened our southern border to 10 million illegals from across the globe. By erasing President Trump’s Executive Order, worked out with Mexico, to house illegals there, it was you, Biden, who is responsible for the entry of drug cartels, criminals, gang members, rapists, and terrorists from enemy countries into our collective home. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who secretly and illegally flew 325,000 illegals from across the globe to cities across the U.S. at taxpayers’ expense. It was YOU
It was not President Trump who allowed CCP affiliated military age men to enter our collective home illegally. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who erased our energy independence by shutting down the Alaska Pipeline and making us once again energy dependent on foreign sources. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who enriched Russia by removing sanctions he put into place. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who shut off our domestic supply of energy. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who handed over Afghanistan along with billions of dollars in military hardware to the Taliban. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who left behind Americans and Afghanis working with the U.S. to die at the hands of the Taliban. It was YOU!
It is said Afghanistan contains $1 trillion dollars in mineral deposits and the largest lithium deposits needed to produce batteries used in electric vehicles. It was not President Trump who left behind a country rich with minerals to the awaiting Red Chinese. It was YOU!
When President Trump left office the inflation rate was 1.4%. When Biden took office inflation rose to 9.1% in 22′ and although it has since fallen, prices today are up to 19% higher than when President Trump left office. Under President Trump we had the lowest inflation in 50 years. YOU erased it.
It was not President Trump who has increased unemployment to record levels due to unnecessary lockdowns forced upon Americans. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who erased the tariffs placed upon Red China to correct the trade imbalance. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who went on a spending spree thus raising our national debt to $34 trillion. It was YOU!
When it came to law and order it was not President Trump who defied our Supreme Court by erasing a $7.4 billion dollar student debt left for taxpayers to foot the bill. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who has allowed domestic terrorist organizations (Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Hamas proxies here in the U.S.) to assault Americans verbally and physically in urban areas throughout the country. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who weaponized our DOJ, FBI, and CIA to target the opposition (Trump staffers, Trump supporters, attorneys, journalists, and Trump himself). It was YOU!
Before the 20′ Presidential Election, it was not President Trump who coordinated with social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook as a means to censor information about the Hunter Biden laptop, your role as the “Big Guy” in Ukraine’s Burisma, and the effort to censor critics of the Covid vaccine. It was YOU!
Joe Biden has had a history of selling out the United States to the Red Chinese, Russia, Ukraine, and Iran. It was not President Trump who gave our enemy Iran a total of $80 Billion since coming into office. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who enriched an almost bankrupt Iran by removing previous sanctions. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who in 2022 sent our CIA to Brazil to aid in the overthrow of democratically elected President Jair Bolsonaro in favor of the installation of Communist Lulu da Silva as president. It was YOU!
Under President Trump’s leadership and the Abraham Accords which he enacted; he left behind a stable thriving Middle East with no new wars under his dime anywhere in the world. Look what has happened since. Trump would never threaten Israel. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump who got us into a proxy war with Ukraine. It was YOU!
It was not President Trump that enabled and allowed Hamas to conduct a massacre in Israel on Oct. 7th. It happened under your watch. It was YOU!
Due to the failure of the Palestine Authority to recognize Israel, President Trump closed their offices in NYC and Washington D.C. It wasn’t President Trump who opened the once closed offices of the P.A. headquarters here in NYC. It was YOU!
It wasn’t President Trump who resumed funding of UNWRA, (a Hamas proxy). It was YOU!
It wasn’t President Trump who threatened Israel with an arms embargo. It was YOU!
It wasn’t President Trump who left American hostages in Gaza. It was YOU!
It wasn’t President Trump who refused to veto a U.N. anti-Israel resolution which called for a cease fire thus enabling Hamas to regroup and survive. It was YOU!
And it is not President Trump who is currently working with the Israeli Left in Israel to conduct a four-part plan for a Color Revolution in an effort to overthrow the democratically elected government of Bibi Netanyahu. It is YOU!
You cannot differentiate between Haifa, Israel’s thriving northern port, and Rafah, Hamas’ tunnel-ridden terror city. Trump is not dictating to Israel. It is YOU!
@Avira
Did Reb Yaakov Zatztal say to which way he changed his mind? I have heard that what he meant was the opposite. Can,t confirm this but I remember hearing such a shmuahI would suggest to look into Silver Springs a suburb of Baltimore
It depends how “OLE” you are. LOL
For a non chasidish hat most people go to Hatbox or Cuff n Co
Look in Chazon Ish Yoreh Deah end of Simman 3. Seems to quote from Chafetz Chaim just the opposite.
common
Are you the Troller Rebbe’s gabbai? You are totally obsessed with him. Do you get a salary or maybe a tenure from him? And btw what great things does gabbai of Troller Rebbe do with his time besides eating Troller shirayim and saying over Troller kanaus.
Just wondering….
I did too and I am FFB. I think most people did.
they say a story about a Bais Yaakov shabbaton in Baltimore when the speaker announced “All in towners go to the right and all out of towners to the left”
All Baltomorian and Boro Park girls went to the right.
That was 35 years ago. Today it would be Lakewood instead of Boro Park. lolAAQ
Rav Feldman did not imply his community would be influenced by the rally. You are construing the words that you yourself quoted. He said that he can’t contribute to undermining our Torah beleifs by advocating for people to go to the rally.
You can feel that he was wrong… that it doesn’t undermine it…or for pikuch nefesh it is ok to undermine it…but that would be his Daas Torah vs yours.@dorah
Just because there are dozens of Rabbonim supporting the rally is that a reason for Harav Sorotzkin to lose his title “Rabbi”?
What is a pompadour? please enlighten the unlearned.
Try Safe Telecom phone. It is an Android that comes already blocked with lots of kosher apps. Not so cheap though. $300 plus.
re(10) Binyan olam was written by Rav Chatzkel Levenstein Zatzal. The fact that Rav Hutner didnt agree with it (allegedly) doesnt cast any doubts on him ch”v. He probably wrote anonimously out of anivus. Same for sefer amalah shel torah written anonimously written by Rav Shlomo Brevda Ztzal
It is just a machlokos in daos and ze veze…
FYI Rav Hutner did the same thing with Rav Moshe Shmuel Shapiro’s sefer on Kesubos which he didn’t like his peice on geirus for hashkafic reasons.re(13) Rav Geltzeiler in his hakdama to his sefer Kodshei Yehoshua writes of his father in law Rav Dessler and Rav Hutner having a chavrusashaft wit a chabad chasid “Reb Itche Masmid” who taught them both toras chabad over a period of year or so.
Would like to add a couple of own shailos for the 45 year old plus Yeshivishe oilam.
1. Which event was it that Rav Shach Zt”l decided Israeli election outcome broadcasted on all Israeli media?
2. Name 5 official Roshei Yeshiva of Bais Hatalmud from 40 plus years ago.
3. Which 5 famous shidduchim did Rav Berel make?
4. Why was Rav Mottel Weinberg Zt”l not asked to speak again at Agudah Convention?
5. Who really wrote Chiddushei Rav Aryeh Leib? Chiddushei Rav Shloime?
6. Who did Rav Giftor “defrock” from their smicha?
7. Why did Rav Shach leave post of R”Y of prewar Karlin?
8. Who did Rav Aaron Kotler Zt”l consider his Rebbi muvhak?
9. Who convinced Rav Shach not to put kol korei against Artscroll gemaras?
10. Who wrote sefer Binyan Oilam? Amala shel Torah?
11. Who was moiche when Rav AY spoke about Rav Moishe Feinstein?
12. Who is Rav Nachum Truker? Rav Abba Ludzer?
13. Which 2 Litvishe Gedolim learned with a Lubavitcher chassid bechavrusah all Toras Chabad?
14. Where was Rav Meir Stern Shlita’s first Yeshiva?
15. Who started Yeshiva Shaar Hatorah in Queens?
16. In which Shul was Rav Dovid Soloveichik’s Yeshiva?
17. Who was Rav Chaim Soloveitchik’s shver?
18. The Mishna Brurah only quotes one time a Gadol from his times. Who and why?PLEASE RABOISAI!!!
I beg everyone to stop pointing fingers. it is NOT Bden or leftists or even those beastly Muslim animals. It is Yad Hashem telling us to do teshuva. This is Parshas Haazinu and Nitzavim. It is me and you who need to look into ourselves and better OURSELVES not say it is mikreh chas vesholom.
To say it is because this reason or that person is ABSOLOTE KEFIRAH!!!
“Im talchchu imi bekri gam ani talchu bechamas keri” From the Tochacha
Just posted on Geribben thread. If you don’t like some of it please edit but don’t not post alltogether please. I put alot of effort into it. 🙂
Sure. I’ll just need some time to get the answers.
@common saychel
You always have such deep insight. Tnx.
I can state one thing great Biden did. He showed us all how much the Dems hate Trump. They are willing to back an old senile crook who trips over his own feet with an ultra dumb VP. All that just not to vote for Trump. He has exposed the divide our country has fallen into like no one else can.
Now that is something you have to grant him. Real genius I say.
Try “Hashem LOOOOOOOOVES you!!!!!!
If that doesn’t work…..make sure you beleive it yourself first
@Emunas
Which seforim did Rav Aron Strusaleh write? I sincerely would be interested in learning them bezh
Marxist
I actually enjoy and appreciate Avira’s straight and Torahdik prespective. edited That goes into the klal of “miskabed bekloin chaveroi”.
And we all know what it says about that in Chazal.Huju
Why do you feel the need to bash someone’s pain? I think everyone else understood OP’s words perfectly. You included. It is ok to be empathetic even if you don’t have a quick fix for their problem. It is after all one of the 3 simanim of our Jewish yichus. Showing and feeling rachmonus. It is being “noisei be’ol im chaveiroi”
And I know ones who got exposed to it in the best Yeshivos. The ones you think it can never happen in. And prescription drugs is a makkas medinah. It can start from someone who had a tooth surgery or a bachur who raided his grandmothers medecine cabinet. Hashem yishmor!!
Actually the fact that we are “different” makes the shame and secrecy much worse that in itself being a self perpetuating catalyst to keep the cycle of addiction continue. The self loathing a frum Yeshiva bachur or Bais Yaakov girl has when they CH”V fall is much worse than a regular public school kid and that feeds the addiction tenfold. So in a way we have it worse. Same goes for a married frum man or woman.
Avira
My wording may have sounded off but my point is true. And no not all have left the haven of Yeshiva when they started.@ujm
You are being naive. Go to any of the many halfway houses in any frum community. Or to any Bais Hachayim and see the row of bachurim. Go to South Florida where there are multiple rehab centers full of once frum or still frum young and not so young people. Go to any AA or NA 12 step meeting and see the hopefully recovering ones.
Do you know how many divorces are because of addiction issues of all sorts. Some which cannot be talked about on this forum?
Hashem should help us. But YES this issue is here. Addiction is nondiscriminatory. It doesn’t care about your religion.
Speak to any mental health professionalI heard from a big Askan “Oib es Christilzichs es Yidishzichs”.
I know of too many “once normal” Yeshiva bachurim from perfectley regular /normal families who are not with us anymore(I mean unfortunatley they are in the Bais Hachayim) R”L because they fell into drug use because of social pressures/anxiety/depression etc.GENUGT SHOIN!!!
I know already everything possible to know about CHABAD from all the other windy threads.
Time to talk about SATMAR
All I know is that is the only shirt my with it yeshivishe kid is willing to wear.
Are there any?
I never had the zchus to read HP. Was too old. But I sure enjoyed Hardy Boys until my parents caught me reading the casefiles. LOL that stuff is childsplay compared to what our children can find today online R”L
@Yabia
That sounds like the gemara’s definition of Rabbi Akiva. Oiker harim vetoichnan zu bezu besvoroh. Was he hevel or rik? Im reik hu michem hu’
And he had no intent on it going online forget about viral. It was a shmuz he was supposed to give live to a certain group of people but couldn’t make it so had it recorded for them. Someone cut one snippet of it and posted on the internet. Rabbi Leiser doesn’t even have internet access himself. I know him well. Real authentic Yeshiveshe guy.
Who can forget Harav Gifter Zatzal screaming “Rabbi Lamn?? Mr Lamn!! Zol zein smicha aropfallen!!”
From all the “sinas chinam” or “it ain’t different in xyz community” it would seem that no one has a good answer to OP’s question.
Hello? Anyone there that can answer it without shifting the question on others or screaming sinas chinum?
@AAQ
I think you are getting @Sechel confused because in Chabad when you say “chasidish” you automatically mean Chabad and only Chabad. They don’t consider the rest “chasidish”. After all the rest don’t learn “chassidus”
To emphasize what was reiterated so many times….
I had a conversation with a Chabad bachur many years ago when I was a young impretionable bachur myself. We were sitting next to each other in an airport. I had a sefer with me (Derech Hashem from the Ramchal) and this chabd bachur who was a few years my senior started making deragetory comments against the sefer and litvishe Yeshiva bachurim in general.
I was very shaken up and tried not to get confrontational with him and told him that I just know what we are told by our Gedolim…
His retort which still repulses me 25 plus years later was…
“Do you mean the “Gedolim” of Siman Gimmel in Shulchan Aruch?”
I think everyone can understand the meaning and depravity of that comment told to a young innocent 17 year old Yeshiva boy trying to mind his own buisness.
But of course this was all in the name of saving a poor lost soul from eternal Snag damnation.
G-D bless his soulAnd the buses go straight from Geula and surrounding neighborhoods
Just to add to @someday
Rav Yerucham Z”L writes that a person today can be learning a sefer from someone many generations ago and little does he know that he is bigger than the writer of the sefer.