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Smerel-
I’m not sure I understand the subjectivity here. Are you saying there is a valid tzad that the election was stolen? If you feel it is a valid tzad, this conversation is pointless. I love you because you are a member of am yisroel, but I think you’re mamash off your rocker. And if it’s not a valid tzad, and Trump is indeed spouting total sheker to maintain power, the term “mobster” probably isn’t strong enough for him and his enablers.Yes, TorahValues, that’s why Moshe Rabbeinu danced around the Eigel hazahav. Because true leaders should always follow whatever sheker their people want to believe in.
Smerel, my heart breaks. Of course it matters whether she is right or wrong! Otherwise, you are essentially saying that a group of people should define their own “truth” and should oust a leader who doesn’t agree with their “truth.” Can’t we agree that emes matters? And that we should respect leaders who speak emes?
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Thank you for your thoughtful comments. You must wonder sometimes whether commenting here is really worth your time since you’re unlikely to change anyone’s mind. So i just want to say that your words are a nechama to those of us who haven’t fallen for right wing narishkeit but just can’t deal with the silliness and hostility of commenting on these boards.I think one possibility is that being frum today is incompatible with the perceived liberal obsession with feelings. Maybe this is different in the chassidishe velt (I can only speak to my own experience in the yeshivishe velt), but frum lives focus on action. We judge each other by our actions and believe Hashem will do the same achar meah ve-esrim. The liberal world has moved in the other direction – you can change your gender if that’s the way you feel, you can be label someone a racist if you feel they channeled micro-aggressions toward you, and your bad behavior can be excused due to things like difficult childhoods and historical crimes against you or your people. (FWIW, as a liberal, I hold these positions and can advocate for them any day, but that’s not the point of this post.)
So I can see how it would be refreshing to have a president who is the epitome of action over feelings. But this should give us pause. Trump demonstrates what can happen to a person if they are totally disconnected from their feelings. You become an empty shell, unable to care for others or to understand others- and, perhaps more importantly, to understand yourself.
Lo Aleinu Milhouse, if Hashem responded to our pleas for rachamim the way you respond to the pleas of others.
It is heartbreaking that we, Yidden, who remembered avadim hayeinu just a few days ago, find it so, so easy to fear and punish the downtrodden. Vayichzek Hashem es liev Pharoh.
Goldilocks and Joseph- are you actually saying you feel the punishment fits the crime? Such a punishment should be a last resort – if there is a real threat that can’t be addressed any other way. Are these broken people – who just want a better life- such a threat? Is there really no better way? Or do you just not feel for these people so their tzaar means nothing to you? Can a yid really have so little rachmanus?
Give me a break Milhouse. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. Like trespassing.
He’ll move to Lakewood since, you know, as long as he’s only taking someone else’s children away, we’re okay with him.