always runs with scissors fast

yitw- are you serious? I have lost so much respect for you? Based on what you said : “I would do the same thing (and I do it all the time). Not everyone holds that any products require a hechsher. In fact in some countries there aren’t any hechsherim, and people walk around with a list of ingredients so they can figure out what’s kosher by reading the package labels.”

You really eat things with no hechsher?

You`re not suppose to, you know.

health – I was very impressed with what you wrote. YOu should be a spokesman for Bitachon in Hashem and the Torah. wow.

I just read what THE WOLF contributed to this intelligent OP, with his first writing at the top. I absolutely think he is brilliant and thinks “outside the box”. btw are you a lawyer? LOL

So, ok to answer the questions you already posted, No I didn’t come from Rainbow people. LOL I grew up in suburbia, and went normally to a clean public school. I then rebelled as a teenager and early 20 something and “found them”. I started with tour and the GD and then met up with the older kind of people who were settled and had land or a lot and a “little house” in the country types. Someone gave me a house to live in.

I knew some of the people from The Farm, and such Gaskin types.

My friend use to joke her name was Mountain Girl. “you’re either on or off the bus”. (kesey and them).

Its good (for me at least) not to even talk about it. Or mention these names. Its over. It has no holiness. It was steeped in whatever.

Over. Next.

But I do have funny stories from those times. You’ll just have to wait for the book.

well some college, and interest in maternal/child health.

Ok Ok I know where you’re coming from. I actually lived amongst “them” in a state in a place that well, just suffice it to say its very well known the hippie community there.. but I dont want to say. THats also where I got in “touch” and was moved to the path I am on as well, exactly just as you put it. I understand. The point now being that I don’t miss it, or regret letting go. in fact i get anxious watching any of the dancing or music festivals on youtube that go with it. It brings a tuma into my house and heart.

I see it as a stepping stone to the level i am on now. But its definately not “where its at”. WHat age range are you and were you around the shows in the early 90’s?

yitayningwut, while doing supper dishes tonight i was contemplating what your name means. Care to explain?

oy, seriously Sam2, just phathoming the idea turns my stomach.

I am serious. Why bring yiddish kiet to a concert? If you want holiness and spirituality you aint gonna find it at a Phish Concert. And if you think you have, then you won’t find it in Torah.

They are anti-thesis to one another.

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been there done that.

On the other hand, regarding what I wrote, I was rethinking this over, and realized that you’d be sending an indirect message to them that you want to get closer and welcome a part of them into a part of your lives.

You dont give a nobody a gift, you know. so you have to realize you’re opening a door where there really shouldnt be one.

I dont have an answer for you. Oh except that now it just came to mind a halacha I once read that it said we are not allowed to give a gift to a goy. We have to make it like it was due to them for some service they provided or something to that effect. In other words its wrong to just hand over gift.

BTGuy are you an ex-deadhead? I remember when Jerry died, one of our friends said, ” its a good thing because now everyone can grow up and stop touring and join the real world”.

I would seriously feel bad and feel its a tumadigge environment to do a minyan in a Phish concert. After all what do they represent? What is torahdigge about them? That one band member is Jewish? OR a few more? Its a mixed seating, its pritzus dress code, its smoking marijuana.

One needs to leave behind the tuma when they de-cloak from the world and enters the frum life. Other wise its like toiveling in the mikveh, meanwhile holding a reptile in their hand- at the same time.

I saw on Youtube once a ‘jerusalem kitchen’ with minyan at a Rainbow Gathering. This is a problem because we are like trying to have both worlds. We’re bringing our yiddishkeit to a hippie festival? And hoping to practice amongst all their shticks? Doesn’t fly. Stick around Williamsburg or boropark.

Not only would buying them a gift be nice but its almost a must. FIrstly, you’d be showing nice manners towards neighborly peace and good relations. Its always important to show others honor and do whatever you can to win them over so you maintain peaceful living quarters.

Next, you must realize that Yaakov avinu’s gifts presented themselves BEFORE HIM on his way to Esav his evil brother. Gifts have a way of winning people’s hearts. It says in Orchot Tzaddikim that the magnanimus person is loved by everyone.

Giving is a very great attribute.

But by that baby outfit on sale. Never spend too much. Especially for a bnei Yishmael! lol

Do you know what I think of posts/threads? Its sort of like a bunch of anonymous people sitting blind folded in a circle in a room, who will never actually meet one another.

Then you’re passed a piece of paper on which to add your 2 cents to the conversation or to create one, then it gets passed around until the thread tires itself out.

Sometimes I feel the only posts that matter are mine. LOL

ha ha ha ha “Stinkin thinkin” I never heard that one before. LOVE IT.

oh my oh MY! UNWASHED phrum hippies in the CR! NOw the truth comes out…i know all about you people because….well…never mind. I am frum now.

tahini i said what i did because that was MY understanding. now i have heard another point of view, which doesn’t necessarily mean its true but i can do my research

JOthar and members, would it be over simplifying to say there is only one reason kids fall OTD? And that is BITACHON. there is a major malfunction in their bitachon in everything that Torah and Yiddishkeit stands for? Can we sum it up that way? i can relate.

I didn’t want to share this, but yet I want so badly to reach out share this with someone. I personally struggle sometimes, and DO NOT WANT TO FALL OTD. I am an adult BT and I struggle with the cultural differences I find myself agaisnt. Sometimes I feel so ripped off in that everyone else frum from birth around me got Yiddishkeit the real pure stuff served to them, born with the silver spoon of Torah in their mouths. THey were read the right stories, they ate the right kashrus, etc, had warm kind family didn’t struggle through the young adult years with the influences of public school. And on the other hand, sometimes I struggle with the cultural differences, a lot of what I learned as values and as social etiquette is backwards here and the people do differntly in Frumkeit. It alienates me.

Sometimes I reminisce about what I lost and then just like the unfounded complaints coming from the mouths of the Yidden who left Mitzrayim, I too fanatsize about “sitting around pots of meat” in the old days. Its ungrateful. I recognize that. I didn’t even eat meat, I was a vegan!

And it wasn’t even like I gave up anything worth missing or running back to.I don’t know why I am telling you all this. Maybe I see within myself a bit of that teenager at risk of going OTD.

I guess I need chizuk and strength and advice. Sometimes I feel like I am acting the part of Frum , and people think I am ehrlich but I don’t like who I am turning into, with having the internet in my home, spending a great deal of time there, and with the click of a button I have all the old music, tv shows, friends on facebook (whom I’d disconnected from years ago) and its self defeating to welcome this all back into my life. Sometimes, i feel angry against Hashem, when things get rough. Then I turn back to old memories in the internet like music and I noticed that reading the news and watching the youtube is changing me. I don’t like it.

Each morning I wake up I say “today I will not go there” but by the night when I am worn out and need an escape I go watch. I hate the pritzus and the secular mentality. I could better use my time reviewing halachos of tznius. Or shabbos, I know.

I know everyone in my community loves me, and I have many good friends so why then do I feel this way? How can I resolve to come closer to Hashem which was my main goal in this life when I threw away my name, and old ways and made a techias hamaysim of the neshama who was stiffling and crying out for L’chaim, when I became a baalas teshuva?

I know people are people and there are not nice people in every place, but some of the things I have seen “the big people” do exemplyfying the worst middos when they are suppose to be orthodox yeshivish yidden really makes me wonder. I could tell you a story here, but I have children who need their mother right now. Bye for now…

Ain Od Milvado YOU are RIGHT! what can I say? 100%

zahavasdad, the problem with drinking straight out of a bottle is that its held as a goyisher thing like a shikker drinks and is uncouth practice by the heathens and hoydens.