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> Is that typical of a virus?
A classical theory said that viruses become more contagious but less virulent “in long term” because mutations that kill the hosts do not propagate much. It is understood now that it is not always so, especially given billions of hosts, crampled in large cities and travelling in the airplanes, available for mutations.
on the other hand, even if weapon developer did not think about using virus attacks on such large scale, they for sure are thinking about it now.
ari-free > it is sad that instead of being proud of trump for pushing out the vaccines in record time b
I agree. I don’t think the “kooks” fully represent Trump voters. I see in sentiments in other places that
middle America gets it now, saying like “while there are lots of things I did not like about Trump, I liked xxxx”. I wonder whether one of the reasons that people started partying like in roaring 1920s is that Biden is always declaring victory (as Trump also often did), but there is no daily pushback from media and people sense the difference. You may not be watching MSNBC, but you talk to someone who talked to someone who does. Sentiments propagate like viruses.Could you imagine daily headlines if under Trump vaccination rate would fall down like now – it will US falling behind Germany one day, against Spain another day .. instead, they may write “vaccination rates started going up for 2 weeks ago” – when the rates barely moved from 0.17% of population a day to 0.21%, comparing to 1% that many countries sustained for several months.
Or, if Trump would not have an FDA head _candidate_ for 8 months. instead, we are told – it is hard to find someone who is qualified and also wants the job and also is not objected by progressives and by moderates … so, it takes Biden longer to fill a job, than for Trump t develop vaccines. Just think, what would be happening if Delta would have arrived and vaccines would be still in development or waiting for authorization? (FYI – FDA says it started working “24/7” on full authorization in August after Delta arrived – so, they were 8/5 before, I guess)
> data indicates that those who already had COVID-19 don’t need the vaccine, then it is completely valid to choose to not get vaccinated.
Data seems to indicate that disease provide antibody protection against cases on par with J&J, lower than mRNAs. There are lots of variables here:
– J&J and maybe disease provide better T-cell protection than mRNA, thus less protection against infection, but more against severe disease
– disease protection is proportional to severity. So, if someone had a weak case, then they may not have developed immunity
– San Francisco already authorized one mRNA after J&J, so given that disease protection is akin to J&J and varies, a similar approach makes sense
– best protection seem to be from 2 different vectors – mRNA and J&J/A-Z. Probably disease and mRNA will also work well> Buy the k95 masks if you want to actually protected but being in a room with someone with covid and you have the same chance of getting covid whether it is with or without the mask.
I agree that K95 are better if you choose to be in the room with someone for some time. Note that rooms can be made safer with open doors/windows/vents. In my tests with 2 people in a small room with 6 work places, having regular vents does not help, but just opening a door to a corridor solves the problem (CO2 level goes back almost outside level, that is air circulates out).
Syag, I agree on honesty. I don’t think we have the answers yet. When someone asked R Steinsaltz to explain halacha of electricity on shabbos, he said give us another hundred years to. come up with a definite halacha, we are an old religion, not in a hurry …. Kal vehomer a whole modernity thing. Mendelssohn was sincere but. not successful… Initial haredi approach also: you can’t just blame those bundists and Zionists.. There was a reason so many Jews went there, not satisfied what the community offered them. Right now on US, we have 2 mln of both chareidi and modern communities doing relatively well, along 4 millions who won track to assimilating
>> “As I explained above, I have daas Torah that rejects a modern idea of Daas Torah and clings to more traditional Yiddishkeit,”
> No idea what that means.
It means I have learnt from a respected Rav, not some extreme activists, that Daas Torah is not in the Talmud (yes, he heard of Emunat Chachamim), and most times I am asking a non-trivial life Shaila (rather than a refernce to Sh’A), I am told that he is giving me an advice, not a psak. In truth, I get similar non-psak from the pro-Daas-Torah Rav. So, if I accept Daas Torah, I will be not accepting what I learned from my Teacher. I am really in a tough spot.
> theres no real reason to add the BY part other than to tie it to the context.
there is. They were teaching kids that “modern” is a swear word and kids would look what humros are not done in the house, instead of helping their mother. If your BY is not affecting kids like that, that is great.
Syag, did you see me rage about evils of monks in Tibet? Not much, as this is something we can’t do much about. As we all care about Torah and Jewish people, we all might have strong opinions about it.
As I explained above, I have daas Torah that rejects a modern idea of Daas Torah and clings to more traditional Yiddishkeit, so I am somewhat stuck. I am not sure what you mean by modern/chareidi – I am not advocating women Rabbis or liberal Tikkun Olam. My kids do not go to fine modernishe schools that are available here. You are just positioning your own view as “charedi” and anyone disagreeing as “modern”. One of my daughters sounded like that while in BY, you are surely more mature than that!
Some of my views on need for people to work and to know math are social questions that had different opinions over course of Jewish history. Other comments about school failures apply to those school that fail, and do not apply to those who do not and have nothing to do with charedi/modern divide.
Thanks, I see the message here is that a low self-esteem person would see himself disrespected even when you do everything equally. If you divide a chicken in two parts, and give him one, he might still think that you are eating a bigger and tastier part. You pay for 2 rooms in the hotel, and your slave/employee thinks that you have a luxury suite. Maybe, divide the chicken and ask him to choose the part. Let employee order the rooms for everyone himself.
Eved is someone whose master controls his time. That is why the eved is not doing time-bund mitzvos.
Everyone who is not in full control of his time is, in that part, an eved. So, be a 1099 contractor instead of a W-2 employee whenever you can. Some halochos of dealing with employees are derived from the eved. For example, an employee, seen just as a person fulfilling certain duties, should not be quitting in the middle of the project or without an advance notice. Still, if he does, the employer should let him go anyway, as forcing someone to “do time” is making him into a slave.
Resident, there is logic in your words, but part of the consideration is risk of exposure. The usual reason for extra testing of vaccines is that it is given to healthy population, of which only a small number will get exposed to a virus (think, Ebola or Yellow Fever).
In a case of a pandemic, when the pandemic is raging and those people who are at exposure (college, HS students in large groups, in poorly ventilated rooms, for example) might have say 30% chance of exposure or more. That is, you need to compare 1-to-1, or 1-to-3 risk/benefit from the virus v. risk from vaccine. Vaccine is developed by certified Western scientists, virus was developed by a team of bats and batmen. Vaccine is tested for extra safety, virus attacks your organs. Most of this is kal vahomer in favor of vaccine.
The only consideration might be an overdose. Vaccines had combined Phase 1/2 to test several doses, and then one shot to pass Phase 3 in time to save lives. I suspect that higher doses were used in order to pass the test for sure. Maybe, we should have had even more Phase 3s with different doses… Moderna just published that 1/2 and even 1/4 of doses seem to be effective, and this might be an approach to vaccinate more people in the world. “1/2 dose now is better than full does a year later”. Similarly, ongoing tests on children are using smaller doses. I see no reason why the smaller doses should not be used for any young person. There is also research showing that increasing gap between doses reduces side effects. I wish we could have voted to keep Pres Trump and his team to deal w/ Op Warp to sort all these issues out, while Pres Biden fights climate change and other sheidim.
> I never fly close to shabbos
so, who are these people stranded on Friday in Florida? proably, all sheluchei mitzva
Syag, thanks for trying. CAPS do not seem to help. I zoomed in further. Same ting.
in law, there are 2 parts – facts and opinions. I hope we agree that it is not OK to endangering yourself and other people. You simply disagree with me on facts. OK, as I said, my town seems not to hold at the same level as yours. I am grappling how to deal with people in my town who play frum, even if they had friends and relatives sick or died from COVID. If considerations of previous generations are not impressive to you, and you need direct guidance, Avi K just quoted above a contemporary Rav who is well versed in medicine.
> we don’t have to look for worms with a magniying glass.
exactly, R Yermiahu is kicked out of yeshiva for questioning in Bava Basra the approximate rule of the dove being within 50 amos from a closest house, “what if one leg on one side …”. Why such a harsh punishment? because he is questioning a fundamental halakhic idea that every regular person can apply the rule by making 50 steps without a need to call lawyers and surveyors – and make an objective decision to grab or not the dove and be an honest person. In Roman/British/US law, you can take the bird and the other guy can sue you.
> How do you measure your string or the diagonl of the square?
By the string! How do you measure “1”?! same way. We are talking lengths, not abstract numbers.
Yes, 3 for Pi is often good enough, except in the Rav Yohanan’s puzzling statement.Greeks were very disturbed when they realized that there are irrational numbers (I think it was sqrt(2)). I don’t think Jews have same concerns about rationality of the world. Hashem is One, the rest can be counted approximately. (paraphrasing “In G-d we trust, everyone else pays cash”)
RebE, to clarify “matir asurim” quip is from Satmerer, “honen haddas” is my poor imitation.
Gadol, you can get the steak if you pay for the steak. Spirit serves cheap fares and achieves it by cutting those expenses. People at Spirit presumably meet daily and see what else to do reduce your fare from $29 to $28.
I thought you are somewhat a liberal and care about poor people. Would you regulate to Spirit to provide higher wages for talent that show you how to wear seatbelts and masks? The best way to do that is to allow businesses to serve people. That what “liberal” used to mean before socialists took over the word.
Syag,
a good question whether we transfer knowledge correctly. I can’t project how would Berdichever react to the smoker were he shown effects of second-hand smoking. Chofetz Chaim both combines positive feelings toward imperfect Yidden, and also sometimes castigates those who are wrong. In the commissar story, he does not sound too positive with the pshat – he came (presumably at some personal risk) to deny the person his only defense in olam habo condemning him to gehinom. Of course, you can read this as a desperate attempt to shock the guy into a teshuva, despite all odds.But I don’t think you argue with me on judgment, you simply argue on facts. It sounds like if you were to see people getting sick right when you pass them coughing, you would stop. You simply claim that nobody got sick in your kehilla (except that you did), and multitudes of people were coughing but then went to test and all had common cold. Shoyn. May Hashem continue protecting your miraculous community thanks to whatever zehus you have. This is, unfortunately, not the case in the places I know more about.
Avi K, thanks for the reference. The question is how to affect things lehathila. Maybe, Jewish communities instead of requiring vaccine passes, simply prepare a shtar to be signed, saying in case beis din determines me responsible I will take the practices listed above to the extent of my responsibility? That is, say, 1 of 3 people had infected 4th, then each should fast every 3rd week.
If we can figure two people holding one tales, we can figure out this.
RebE, you think you got me 🙂 but I am an applied mathematician, not a purist. I can tell you how to get it without writing it down:
1) take a string, make a circle with a radius 1 inch, straighten the string, fold in half, here is your pie
2) draw a right angle triangle with side 1, take the diagonal
What I should have written, precise enough to get the integer number of people at the end precise.
A question now is: did Rav Yohanan put out this calculation on purpose so that answers differ based on precision to trip up those who were bad in math, and make them come back with questions, so that he could indulge in explaining how to approximate pi?!
R Steinsaltz writes (probably not original) that historically there are periods an societies of closed and open science. During closed periods, only selected people have access to knowledge. We had open science when it was all called “philosophy” and maybe in 19th century but it reversed somewhat, as you often need to be a very narrow specialist to understand science (a physicist may not understand some of the biology). We all struggle to understand science and statistics behind a pandemic.
Avi K> I am shocked that people who are machmir on any little minhag are so meikal on nefashot.
“pray for the welfare of the government”. I got new appreciation for both civil governance and halakha: people routinely follow so many rules from (mostly) stopping on red lights to (usually) saying mincha before zman, attending schools, paying for groceries, parking in the designated places. It is only when you get into an unsettled situation, then people change. Read about behaviors in Soviet and Nazi labor camps, some people behaved, some did not … Especially, when the danger is unseen…
Several notes from recent research:
– Pfizer/Moderna produce more antibodies in short term, but J&J and AZ type vaccine produce more T-cells. IMPORTANT for anyone who takes immune-suppressing drugs that stop antibodies to consult a doctor to measure antibodies and possibly do J&J.
– Effect of the vaccine, both efficacy and side effects, are much more predictable: vaccine is a measured tool, disease is not. Vaccine went thru controlled trials, disease did not. Disease presumably has exactly same side effects as vaccine, except that it additionally attacks multiple body organs. This is like a gun v. a taser: a similar effect in trying to stop the person in his track, but very different outcomes “in the long run”.RebE, on the other hand, there is Berdichever – My son, do you not know that you can’t smoke on Shabbos/ Maybe you don’t know that today is Shabbos/See, eibishte, how honest are you children, will admit all aveiros but will not lie …
So, we have here Jews who are confronted with a new, confusing, situation, using their Jewish independence streak to make stupid decisions. To paraphrase Satmerer, don’t wait for rofeh cholim to daven for them, start at honen hadaas…
Syag > do you understand the concept of casting someone off as reecha, as you flippantly remark?
please address this to RebE who is quoting Kli Yakar. I just explained his position. If I can affect someone’s thinking, I will talk to him. If I dno’t shake someone’s hand, hopefully it might shake him into thinking. Maybe not, but sometimes it is the only thing I can do.
Not to compare the magnitude: Chofetz Chaim went to a Jewish commissar who was conscripting yeshiva students on Shabbos and said – I do not expect you to do teshuva because I came, but when you come to Olam Habo, you could defend yourself saying, I lived in the same town as Chofetz Chaim and I could have done teshuva were he to tell me. So, I came to take this excuse from you.
First, learn halakha from Spirit and do not travel close to Shabbos. Second, have a balance – if you need once to buy an extra ticket, it is probably less than all savings from all years. CS, you may be a certified engineer, but for large low-income families, Spirit provides a way to see the velt …
Gadol, I am aint sarcastic. We actually squeezed a such Spirit trip in early Feb 2020, following a quick ride to the airport without even paying for parking there .. an extra bonus to talk for several minutes with the spouse without kids interrupting .. It felt good to have the cheapest seats even on the cheap flight! The only sad part is that people were like at our masks with suspicion, but they understood in a couple of weeks.
RebE, I am talking about a slightly different case: Sukkah 8, where Rav Yohanan does computation of number of people who can sit in the round sukkah. That number comes correct if you use precise values for Pi and sqrt(2). Amoraim then try to re-do that using their numbers, come up short and then start coming up with tirutzim, like they are sitting at the outer circle, rather than at exactly the radius. See p. 140 in “Do Scripture and Mathematics Agree on the Number π?” by Professor Isaac Elishakoff and Elliot M. Pines, PhD, Fifth Miami International Conference on Torah and Science, 16-18 December 2003, B’Or Ha’Torah 17 (5767/2007)
But geometry is not all to math. Look up lectures by Econ Nobel Prize winner Robert Aumann where he compares Gemorat with modern economics:
three appraisers Bava Basra 107a, three widows Ketubos 93a, moral hazard – Ketubos 15 incentives Bava Basra 89athat is why Babylonians used 60 – it is divisible by 2,3,4,5,6,10,12,15,30 , much better than 10….
too bad the digital generation does not understand “a quarter to 5” any more.
I once told someone the time “5 to 9”. I could have as well said “9:00”, as the person took those 5 minutes to process the response.RebE > someone who is vaccunated should not have to wear a mask when the other person has the optiion to vaccinate
coffee > This calls for a kiddushNo, this calls for retrospection. Coffee, I understand RebE that he does not want to bother protect someone who does not care about himself. I.e. as in a mitzva to help the animal “with the owner”, i.e. only when the owner participates. So, RebE writes off these people from “reecha” .. nothing to celebrate … I would not go that far – not greeting is ok, but not care at all …
By the way, as I just quoted in another thread, Israeli research showed that out of 40 vaccinated health workers who got infected, ALL were infected by unvaccinated. So, unvaxed remain a threat to others.
Health > Since they don’t give it to Kids – the only way to protect them is with Herd Immunity!
Just make the herd behave – you want it to be a light exposure, not a heavy one. At least make sure that the kids are not siting in a non-ventilated room with the same people for hours.
common, curious – what were “public schools” in Poland before WW2? I listened with kids to a bunch of Ellis Island interviews, and all Jews were like – We did not have enough money for school before, and here I was able to go to a high school for free …
Avram > it’s coming from the Israeli data where recovered Covid cases account for something like 9 percent of the population, but only around 1 percent of new Covid cases in the latest outbreak, …
Avram, I started looking at this and I need to talk to your mother: you are browsing either Fbook or RT or something like that, despite having filters on Internet!. Your best defense would be that it was your friend who went This is where these quotes are coming from ..
Seriously, here is what I found so far:
US research early 2021: reinfections are 15x less than those who were not, that is close to what Pfizer showed in control trials (20x). Caveat – this is for the same variant. General views seems to be that previous infection is less protective than vaccine.Also:
– research shows that vaccine produces antibodies that attack more areas of virus than after natural infection, so should be more effective for new variants (Ref 1)– light cases of COVID provide virus only to the respiratory tract, while vaccine to the muscle, so it may develop a weaker response.
Ref 1: Antibodies elicited by mRNA-1273 vaccination bind more broadly to the receptor binding domain than do those from SARS-CoV-2 infection. Greaney AJ, Loes AN, Gentles LE, Crawford KHD, Starr TN, Malone KD, Chu HY, Bloom JD. Sci Transl Med. 2021 Jun 8.
while looking at info about re-infections, found this interesting article
Moriah Bergwerk, etc Covid-19 Breakthrough Infections in Vaccinated Health Care Workers. New England Journal of Medicine, July 2021 reporting on 1500 vaccinated health care workers. Here are interesting tidbits: 2.5% (40 cases) of them got infected (Covid-alpha) in 14 weeks. Of these, 1/3- no symptoms, 2/3 – mild.
Likely source of infection – 100% unvaccinated persons (60% – household member, 30% – other healthcare worker or patient: 7 out of 11 from just one patient)Most who got infection had low antibody levels – thus antibody level can serve as a marker of risk (contrary to “asinine” CDC recommendation not to do these tests)
>> Maybe Fauci and others in government are getting a kickback from Pharm. Companies?
First, stop listening to both Faucis and anti-Faucis, read at least popular science articles like statnews or nature, or better original research (in google scholar for example), even if you won’t understand the whole thing. There are pre-prints to avoid potential bias and censorship.
2nd, a lesson we can all learn from this on moris ayn: alway behave so that people will not suspect you. A lot of government personnel goes to work for same businesses they used to supervise. Is this corruption? sometimes, yes, sometimes, no, but better to avoid.
I quoted before someone who was invited to Satmar to be a doctor for yomtov, and shared with the Satmerer Rav that he is not just a stam doctor, but is also preparing to get a (kosher but modernishe, I presume) smicha. Rav responded – besser rofeh cholim mimatir asurim
> what will you do when they won’t let you shop for food because you aren’t updated on your vaccines and booster shots
I’ll order delivery through instacart, a great way to give tzedokah (ok, could be to akum) to hard-working people, while enjoying the peros of mitzva. Order from a Jewish store to have a higher chance to have a Jewish driver.
>> “The book 1984”……what compelled you to read this trief?”
> How do you know its treif “
Don’t know for sure whether any Gedolim read 1984, but R Steinsaltz Z’L was able to recognize a quote from the last page of “Animal farm”, so he read the whole thing – and that book is literally full of hazer.
Health > So do you know that it’s the vaccine & Not Zinc or Invermectin?!?
A good point. Sofek medauraita l’humrah, so I took 2 different vaccines and multi-vitamins to cover multiple bases, and also moved away from hoi polloi.
RebE, thanks for the story.
CS, if we are doing Yichus here, when my grandmother O’H was in Petersburg Empress’ school for girls (before going to college in Germany), her father arranged for a Rabbi to come and teach her when the school had their religious studies, and other Jews there joined also.
RebE > let him suffer the consequences.
I wonder whether courts (American or Jewish) can help sort it out. Could you sue a person who is creating a risk to you and, thus limits your behavior and business? Let’s presume for simplicity: I have a store and if all customers were vaccinated, I would not need any additional measures. So, can I sue all non-vaxed people who came in for the expenses of masks, barriers, testing, air filters, etc?
There is a reason parking tickets work – a lot of small punishments are effective in preventing most of bad behaviors.
> asinine to think that the a vaccine gives you greater immunity then natural immunity.
I respect you asking the question and approaching it with the research attitude. Could you quote what you found regarding antibody serology tests a couple of months after the COVID and after the vaccine? This will help you convince RebE to let you into CR minyan!
In addition to those numbers, there are additional questions to consider, though:
– how much COVID you have? probably best is to get your own serology test. You probably already had – would you mind sharing it with us, given that you are anonymous here?– possibly (sic!) disease gives broader protection via other mechanisms, not captured by serology
> immunity garnered from a Covid infection is more effective and longer lasting
Avran, I did not see such research. A reference, please? All papers I saw indicate much higher levels of antibodies after vaccine than disease. T-cell effects are harder to measure directly. Longer-term population studies might show that. Another reason disease is not considered as a pass, as it is hard to know what and how much a person had, while vaccine is a controlled effect.
> it needs to be attacked by different ways. The fact that the Government focused only on one way, is Very suspicious
It is attacked in different ways. There are 100s of ongoing studies of all kind of medicines. Tracing teams work daily to identify new clusters and warn as many people as possible. Testing is done in many businesses to prevent outbreaks.
Still, it appears that Trump vaccine and moderation in partying are best response to Wuhan virus. Possibly, as virus rapidly damages multiple systems by the time most people get to the hospital, it is very hard to contain the damage. As we know, Hashem sends cure before the disease, the way vaccine does.
by the way “going to work” came about in industrial age. Before that, a lot of “work” was done at home, often jointly with family members. Selling and procuring materials required travel, but not from all.
Avira, I agree it is legit, especially in our days, not to learn philosophy. Philosophy used to include all sciences (I am a D. of Ph. but did not have to learn Plato, just to come up with some new math formulae). So, at Rambam’s time it was the best science available. As your example shows – Rambam learned from Aristotle, liked his general wording, connected it to relevant chazal, corrected it, and it sounds like not even always quoted explicitly.
But in our times, we have an explosion of general knowledge that is very practical and specific and not speculative. Do you think Rambam would not attend a medical school now, when you don’t have to pretend to be a Muslim to get into first in the world university/madrasa in Fes? Obviously, we don’t need Talmidei Chachamim to drop their learning and all get into math and chemistry, but we need to stay connected with the world knowledge and have some Chachamim who can know enough to be able to converse with experts. And for those who have no clue of sciences, have decency to respect, and not disparage, those who do.
for a contemporary example, just heard a Rav describing what was lost/gained from Corona and he mentioned loss of respect to Rabbis as he said “while health departments were running schools”. I think this is abdication, talmidei chachamim should havev been in the forenfront of solving problems (and some were), and those who do not may have lost that respect for a good reason. And same happens in other cases. Let’s say a Rabbi does not understand how Gemora in Sukkah compute PI, is this good? It actually seems to be the case there – that Tannaitic computation is very precise, but Amoraim do not understand the Mishna and use more complicated solutions (inside circle, outside circle).
It is silly indeed to buy a Spirit ticket to go to Disney and spend money there, but otherwise why not show kids the value of frugality? And risk of spending a night in the airport can be an adventure…
by thy way, for absolute cheapest travel:
you can drive to the airport and buy Spirit tickets even cheaper without paying “online tax”. They convert part of the fare into the online tax to avoid paying other taxes on that part of the fare. With a good sized family, it pays off. If you ask nicely and mention kids, they can even assign seats for free.> vaccinated don’t get as sick to end up in the hospital and die
the risk is proportional to exposure. 95% efficiency quoted from Phase 3 were under condition of “sort of” blind test – ostensibly, the subject did not know what they got [we know now that many of those who got a real vaccine felt it, but still …]. so 95% [20x] is under assumption that people behave same way. If you used to keep SD and now dance at the weddings, then your reduction is less. And may decrease with time. On the other hand, T-cells, etc seem to offer long-term protection against worst outcomes.
on a stupid side, CDC, and doctors who “follow their science”, recommends against doing antibody tests to see if antibody levels are holding because “it is not yet approved”, despite papers showing serious correlation between antibody levels and protection on average. CDC explains, in their usual amateur social engineering style, that they do not want people to see high antibody results and then behave irresponsibly. Of course, as now 50+% are already irresponsible, there is value to identify people who have low levels and are at highest risk and, thus, should be more cautious.
large dollar bills were eliminated to make drug and other illegal payments much heavier. Euros are still there (last time I checked), but maybe Mexicans do not trust in them.
we learn that women can not stay idle at home and are supposed to be busy at something, right?
Eshe Chayil lists lots of things to do in a normal household. By now, men, with Hashem’s help, automated most of these activities. Women world over, follow the halakha above, increased their standards of cleanliness and tideness to the level that never existed in history, but still … So, if women are to only stay home and, in many Jewish families, send kids to schools and often using household help (sometimes cheap even if not very legal) – they should be doing something useful. They could teach their kids at professional level, for example. If not, then there is a question about even volunteer stay at home. [My wife did while kids were little and she was fully engaged with them].As to women who want to work outside, I agree with Gadol here, there are plenty of precedents of women working and having businesses. It is possible that some Rabbis give public advice as a desirable social policy, but that does not mean that specific individuals can not balance home and work.
Also, notice that “not leaving home often” in old times does not mean that the woman will be doing only housework. People were running businesses from their homes all the time. She could be weaving baskets, running a school, a restaurant, while infrequently going out. Being a traveling salesman (and still is) not a good job choice. Now, with WFH, we came full circle and frumme women can do heart surgery online without leaving the kids.
> Chareidi is both Ashkenaz and Sefard.
Sefardi Charedim is an oxymoron. If they are to follow their ancestors, they would be wearing turbans. Instead, they assimilated into wearing black hats out of respect to surrounding community. So, they are Charedim eternally, but in their outlook, they are very modernishe. They would wear turban in a New York minute if they would go back to Suria. Of course, in 2-3 generations, schools will convince them that they were wearing black hats from the time of Esther and Mordechai.
So, Ashkenazi Jews who wear the same clothes as other lawyers around them are as Charedi as those Sephardim. And they would wear top hats when American Presidents will go back to that fashion.
like normal midwestern driver, maybe? not like normal NY driver …
Can someone look up safety metric by state? and per mile driven as Europeans drive less.There are various defensive driving skills – do not try to outrun others, stay away from huge trucks and cars with mattresses on top, do not stay in blind spot…
And then there is courtesy, some halakhic: do not overtake the bus (a number of Rabbis are quoted on that, although I take an exception when I have more kids in the car than there are people in the bus); buy a drink in the store on the highway if you are using a bathroom (R Yaakov Kamenetsky)
I also try to see how many people I can waive through while driving somewhere – the more the better, a good game for the kids. You end up coming 2 minutes later but in much better mood.
Sometimes there are hard choices – you may let someone in, but the guy behind you is fuming…
This may require a shaila..A general problem with courtesy on the road – people do not see each other’s face, so they forget that these are people, not self-driving cars. Ever tried to cut someone off and then recognizing the driver?