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I recall pennies became popular when Chicago Tribute publisher decided to sell papers by a cent, but nobody had them. So, he convinced merchants to sell things for $0.99 instead of $1.00, and then you would have a penny for the paper. If this is not an urban legend, interesting how papers not only had genivas daas inside but also corrupted the marketplace (as people think for a second hat something is $5 when they see $5.99)
Next topic: ashkenazi Jews have suspiciously similar noses, probably correlated to a small number of Jewish men they come from, while larger variety of non-Jewish women they married. I am pretty sure if Ethiopean Yidden would be the first to settle in EY recently, this would the question they’d raise.
Did you seriously think we were going to approve that?
Look into exercise routines that might help. I saw one UK report from National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Leicester Biomedical Research Centre, journal Chronic Respiratory Disease may 2021, I am sure there are others
> I never understood why Sleeping in a Sukkah was pinned?
this seem like an only genuine question in this whole thread.
why don’t you organize a group of 20 families and move to such smaller city and settle there as a group?
at Weimar speed – a penny at the beginning of a thread is worth a dime at the end
Is it wrong encouraging kids to put pennies in tzedokah? are they now less than a perutah?
Chabad Eliyahu Touger translated Mishne Torah about 30 years ago. It is in print.
> chasidim chose not to follow Mishna berura?
this is a murkier case to defend, as Chasidim started as a group disregarding traditions of their communities. If you accept this shita, then they should be the only ones to actually need a Mishna Berurah.
Vaccines reduce person’s chance of needing an expensive medicine. Thus, if someone chooses not to, then he imposes costs on the tzibur. Dina d’malchusa does not limit your personal obligations. You are still obligated to put up a fence to protect privacy of your neighbor even if building code does not require it. I am talking specifically about your Jewish patients who should think about such things. Ask them.
I think some insurances start charging non-vaxxed people more. This make sense instead of charging everyone for that. There is a downside here that these people will be even more reluctant to seek appropriate cate. Also, this is a long cycle – it takes a year to implement, then a year for new rates to come up, too slow and indirect.
> translating it into a goyish language is a good thing?
Rambam. He used to write in a goyishe language.
> lubavitcher rebbeâs shift on an important issue â zionism â as an example of how he changed the mesorah,
This is somewhat different from Shabsai Tzvi. While I realize this is an important nekudah to you, there are millions of shomer-shabbos Yidden and T’Ch who hold same position or even more radical.
> whether as a wife one is required to carry out the requests and instructions her husband gave her.
One guy asked that, and was told in no uncertain terms: listen to everything Sarah told you.
Some of this discussions remind of the hypothetical asked by an orphan in Gemora – what if both my Father and my Mother ask a cup of water at the same time. They should not. Question dismissed.
Avira, it is simple to measure shalom, see whether your words and actions increase it or not. Peshat.
Syag, agree. There are many saying about Talmidei Chachamim that can be used as the definition of the term.
For example, if you see a T’Ch doing an aveirah at night, then you don’t have to tell him next morning because he surely did teshuva already. That is, an aveirah does not disqualify, but a lack of introspection does.
Similarly, T’Ch-im merabim shalom b’olam. So those who do not, do not qualify.
Rambam accepts truth regardless of where it comes from.
Avira, you are employing circular logic: using your dislike of one group to impute another. What is common here that you dwell on fine theoretical points of mesora to fully disregard reality: Zionists creating a vibrant state with both parnosa and Torah and saving Jews from multiple countries; chabad saving multitudes that nobody else thought of finding. For each of these, you have an explanation why what looks good is bad. I am perusing my Chumash for a mitzvah to judge the world like that, but didn’t find anything yet.
Based on a quick search: It seems that risk is based on the first pregnancy: it is slightly elevated for ten years after and lower after that. Additional pregnancies give additional benefit
Health, do your patients have access to insurance or Medicaid? I presume these drugs will be well covered. I don’t know what the halacha is when someone ends up consuming 1000s of dollars of medicine instead of using $40 of vaccine. Should such person refuse insurance payment or at least make a donation to, say, cover others like him?
Social security and residential records are available in US. Plus genealogical sites. You can probably automatically collect an initial draft for the family tree and then review unclear items
Maybe the understanding of the situation is different? Girls feel pressure to start shiduchim earlier because they would rather be early than late, they have a larger selection of hatanim of different ages, and they have more time to find the right one. That is, they are investing themselves in the process instead of relying on the nes.
If you push boys to go earlier, you take away most of the above opportunities from the girls.
First, we should stop assigning people positions and names based on the group they belong to. There is a halachik literature on that, whether gemora forbids offensive kinuim, or any as I think rambam recasts it. This is especially hard online and double in an anonymous group, where everyone has a kinui lehathila.
This is an interesting case: inflation was higher than income growth, so real wages went down 0.5 percent. So why would someone post sheker? I doubt that someone would do this on purpose, as there seems to be no hanaah here. Maybe he actually read it in some partisan source, then he needs to review where he is getting his info. Would love to understand how this happened
Germany in 19th century probably had a list. You were supposed to pay taxes to one of the official religions. So, their IRS was probably keeping tabs. Or any other country with a similar system.
> rambam or a mishnah berurah? I should hope itâs the latter.
My limited understanding is that MB is trying to develop a comprehensive halakha harmonizing multiple sources, including some old less known ones. As such, it is not really representative of possible specific traditions. This makes a lot of sense in the modern world when people are exposed to multiple approaches, but if you do have a specific tradition, you do not have to look MB at all.
> The point is that almost no hospital or Group Doctors are allowing Ivermectin for Covid 19.
i agree on this point. A lot of medical personnel follow safe instructions, unfortunately. I am still repeating that most of the complaints seemingly come from hardcore antivaxxers and antimaskers. In my opinion, they are pasul l’edut. And, practically speaking, we seem now to have drugs that are both easy to use, proven by normative trials, and almost accepted by the establishment, so please start giving them out in addition to whatever possible other drugs you advocate.
Actually, with many drugs available, you can ethically conduct your own study – randomize your patients and give some Pfizer and Ivermectin, others – Pfizer and placebo.
Avira > pitfalls of batalah mayviah lidei znus/shigaon are worse than the chisaron of being âoutâ a lot.
These issues may be related. A lady out shmoozing or browsing instagram is probably at higher risk than the one doing brain surgeries. I am not saying that the latter are fully protected, but a combination of being busy and self-esteem gives some protection. So, those communities where women are not going into professions, are probably more insisting on them staying inside.
It would not be a violation of kesuba if both sides agree, but you need to be concerned about informed agreement. If a girl is taught that the husbands not working is a mitzva and then she would need to be poretz geder to expect husband to do that, then it might be questionable whether she is freely agreeing. Maybe kollels should have an annual anonymous survey of wives to hear what they desires and needs really are. Rosh kollel’s wife could be a good source. One of baalei musar, sorry do not remember the name, was giving a shiur after shabbos maariv until his wife whispered to him “they have wives”. He broke the schmooze in the middle of the sentence and sent them home. Not clear to me whether he was completely unaware about that, and whether the wife included herself in that list đ
2scents, thanks. makes sense. So, hope these 2 drugs, and other upcoming I hear, will become popular with people like Health’s patients. These are finally tools that can be easily used by the stubborn population. Maybe it would make sense for the confirmed anti-everythings to get them exposed to the virus under controlled environment (say, 15 minutes at a time) and then observe them for a week and give them both Ivermectin and new Pfizer drug with any symptoms, quickly moving to full immunity.
Finally, an answer to the old Carroll’s question: how is the orev like a shtender?
They are both bad.
Let me know if you get this.2scents, I think UK already approved Merck drug, is it for everyone?
Health, I see that there is a real political fight about it, with both sides looking for political advantage. Sad. The only factual reference there is that there is indeed increase in reported Ivermectin poison cases, 2000 in 2021, or 400 per month recently, but only 1% of those had serious consequences.
Still, I have to presume that most of these cases come from unvaxed and also uncareful people. I understand your position as a doctor trying to help them, but the guy in the story who is blaming medical establishment for his father’s death can only claim this if he did his hishtadlus – vaccine, mask, SD. I presume if he was vaxxed, it would have been mentioned in the story. So, if majority of this public showed this lack of judgment already, I am not giving a lot of weight to their opinions or even claims of facts.
Romain, not sure whether your English is first or second or more language, but your writing is very hard to understand. If you improve your spelling skills, you can contribute to improving your own standard of living. Try using grammarly or some other tool to check what you are writing.
> Undeserved or underserved?
None of the above! R Zusia and R eliezer (brothers) were sleeping in an inn while drunkards were dancing and kicking R Zusia who was closer to them. His brother suggested switching, while the drunkards said – why are we hitting the same Jew all the time, this is not fair and equitable! so, they switched. you get what Eibeshte plans for you.
I also do not recall women doctors in Gemora, mostly witches or similar type healers.
Halakha requires women to not be idle. In good old times, women spent time doing necessary work of laundry, cooking, carrying water, making clothes, and teaching kids manners and emunah. due to our sins of insatiable curiosity, men invented lots of machines that wash clothes, microwave food, and make clothes; kids are sent to school at early age to learn alef-beis and not to listen to parents. In response, women raised their standards of required home cleanliness, fashions, and food quality. Good. Now, we have illegal immigrants doing the rest of the chores. What are women supposed to do? The only remaining task is to teach kids emunah, but kids are at school. They can’t be reading CR the whole day.
One side effect is that in some communities the only accepted job is teaching. This is good as it creates a pool of cheap teachers, as it should be (same was true in pre-industrial US in general). But then some who do work as teachers do not really want to do it, but have to. And this crates terrible effect on kids. Merit-based hiring could solve the problem, but often prevented by preference for hoshuve families.
I don’t think it is reasonable to assume that Brisker Rov was not aware of the Rambam, unless it was in some obscure Arabic letter from a Genizah.
Furthermore, in the relationship of old texts, I think we hold opposite: if we discover a new text by a Rishon, or by Rabbi Akiva, or by Melech Shlomo, this will not have a definite effect on halakha: one of the reasons we follow a Rishon because it was scrutinized by later generations.
I agree that one should be careful with orally reported opinions. first, they may be incomplete, second, the author did not put it in writing for some reasn, third, related to 2, the author may have intended it to a specific time and person. For example, in this case the Rov is saying it to a Brisker student, so presumably, in his view, the hishtadlus of being a Brisker student is sufficient enough.
I don’t think Rov advocated quitting learning and sitting in a cafe on Ben Yehudah waiting for the shidduch to show up.AreR > between 2/3 and 3/4 of his members are men.
So, maybe his organization is a good place to call for shidduchim for girls? đ
so for 12% of Litvish leaving O-, this would be an extra 4% inbalance. I don’t think this rule would apply to the 30% Sefardim, as the number above that I saw quoted, as these are less dramatic cases of parents moving from traditional Sephardi to “haredi” lifestyle, and their children relaxing back to some degree.
Bangladesh & India had 2+% growth 20 and more years ago, but 1% now, although their age gap may be larger. Israeli growth rate is 1.6% and 5% in Haredi community.
Another possible factor – dropouts from Haredi community among 20yo is 12% (influx 1%) – 5% in Hasidic, 12% among Litvishe and 30% in Sephardi. These are not OTD, mostly people who associate with orthodox in general or traditional. I can’t find numbers but it is possible that more men are leaving than women.
I wonder whether the open market resists a solution: as it is beneficial for a boy to have more choices, so it makes sense for them to wait and have a “stronger hand”.
Are R, I take it back. With Haredi growth rate of 5% a year, you can indeed have a 20% imbalance if hatanim are 5 years older than kallot. That is indeed significant.
Among other reason, I would suggest rather than 1/0 “OTD” rates, maybe Haredi boys may be more open to marry someone who is slightly less “haredi” than them.
Avira > Nazir 59
thanks. I don’t think this is a full answer. Gemora learns that women should not carry weapons because men go to war in the context of prohibiting cross-dressing both ways. So, this is not saying that women should not go to war, but it is about dress code under assumption that weapons are for men. if a society has women in the Army, then this might not apply. And if Norks introduce longer skirts for their warriottes, there will be even less of a problem!As to Yael’s choice of a peg, Gemora again means exactly that – she did not want to violate Tzniyut rather than prohibition to fight. Otherwise, she would not be allowed to hit him with anything. Pshat seems to be that Yael is sure of her ability to bring her peg from outside and use it, while not having her own sword (see above), she would need to get access to Sisra’ sword (who might wake up hearing the sound of his weapon) and then risk using a long heavy sharp device she never used in her life. Lesson – know yourself and use what you know. Maybe she did not want to steal from Sisra for no reason also!
Ober > it teaches us that women are the house, meaning they take care of the house. Men go and make money.
There are plenty of examples and halochos how women in business or with inheritance are treated in. I am not versed well enough to give a general expose, but it is respectful rathe than telling them to go home and give the keys to their husbands. Maybe some more learned people here can help us with sources.
yitz > The American Founders rejected the concept of âdaas Torahâ
what they set up originally was a “meta community” to borrow from FFB (former face book): rules to govern multiple societies coming together. CT had a full right to have their own religion, and if you didn’t like it, you had to move to RI… We do not need US laws to tell us how to build our schools or communities, we just need them to give us freedom to do what we want and reasonable opportunities for others to build their lives so that we do not get destroyed by murder and immorality in the overall society.
Yitz, one question is how are school governed. When they encounter challenges – what is a control mechanism to correct them? Maybe in some closed-knit communities, there is centralized control with the Rav/Rebbe of the community getting to decide. In many cases, school is in charge on their own. This is a distinction Bava Basra makes about butchers: they are OK to have their own democratic rules unless there is T’Ch in town, then tey need to ask him to resolve disputes.
In a discussion with one school rep, he described lovingly how he went to Steipler to ask a question about his child education. When I asked him what Gadol was consulted by the school in our case, or in other such cases – he did not have an answer …
So, in cases, where there is no accepted halachik supervision, the other option is market and choices. The question is then how to increase them.
Re: parents v yeshivos. Bava Basra is still correct in the conclusion that most parents are not capable and we need public (Jewish) education. So, I am not talking about wholesale abandonment of a working system for something else unproven. Still, modern society allows personal flexibility in a lot of fields and it is natural to do same with the most important – Jewish education – where possible. If this would work for 10% of population, it will be huge for those kids, and then you’ll see what to do for net 10%.
In this sense, this is the same issue in both general and Jewish communities. And obstacles are often similar. In our experience, we were first simply monitoring quality of the process and schools admins would react when we had reasonable issues with teachers, either by dumping bad teachers or moving them to less complaining classes. When we felt we need additional changes, there is a roadblock that principals were frank about: “what if everyone will ask for that”. So, it is institutional aversion of risk v. parental concerns about the kid. Both can be unreasonable. Maybe we need batei dinim that will determine what is reasonable. When I consulted several Rabbonim, not being sure that I am right on insisting on something, they often just commiserated quoting their own school experiences.
Avira, I agree on the Army, I do not recommend an Army career to girls, of course. I just brought this as an extreme example of a UAV pilot who sits on an American base and goes home to kids every night.
what is the nature of Isur handling guns, I am not familiar. Can a Texan maidele open carry or does she need to limit her self-protection to mace?
takah: in my experience, most kids are inspired in Jewish schools. It works well at elementary level if you get a decent principal who weeds out bad apples from teachers. I would send my kids again to the same schools they were going. As kids gets older, there are more failures in what and how they teach.
I do not understand how age gap contributes to any imbalances. At the end, one boy matches one girl, whatever the age. Some societies, like China. that get rid of girls – post-birth or thanks to new technology pre-birth, have real imbalances with more boys. Historically, wars are the major reason for having less boys and death from childbirth for less girls. There is also migration, such as in certain periods boys are first to move away from villages to cities.
There is also an observation that morals in society are determined by this ratio: society with more boys is more moral. That is, girls have more bargaining power and insist on marriage, etc.
Furthermore, if you want to increase girls bargaining power – you do not insist on boys marrying early. Then, when a girl has a relatively smaller time period when she wants to marry – she has a choice of boys of multiple ages in front of her.
Take a limited-age group, such as a college: freshman girls have most choices, and so do senior boys.
USA Today yesterday: Over the past year, two-thirds of those surveyed say, their opinion of Trump hasn’t changed. Fourteen percent say their view of him has gotten better, 19% say it has gotten worse.
So, there are people who now think worse of T, still not necessarily saying they will not vote for him. “Only” 58% of people do not want T to run – 66% do not want B ..
Yitz, the reason we compare public and Jewish schools is that they have same goal – educating a mass of population. Also, Jews in America obtain both benefits and shortcoming of the country. Many things that are “natural” for us are based on that influence. If you compare with previous times, you should be able to understand what is new and what is old. Unless you simply project your current system onto the past as you just did. There was no yeshiva curriculum before Volozhin, so by your definition, there was “no yiddishkeit”?
Yitz, could you please comment on Bava Basra that has no problem with fathers teaching children, except that many fathers were not capable. Nowadays, when many communities have fathers who learned for many years, it is hard to argue in favor of disenfranchising them: either yeshivos teach well and then father are now certified to teach their children, or they do not teach them, and then there is no reason to send kids there! In truth, there are a number of pro-active parents who are in chinuch who try to teach classes with their own kids.
For a general picture, I don’t think we are an “autocracy”, I think we are a distributed system that includes respect for learned and moral authority. Those Rabbis who set curricula get funded by parents and donors, who choose who to sponsor. Our most venerable poskim acquire that position by the virtue of you asking your local Rov, he sending some of the harder questions to his Rosh Yeshiva, and Rosh yeshiva sending his hardest question to whomever he considers most appropriate to ask (that particular question). They are not (currently) appointed by a Sanhedrin.
We need to be careful when we argue with official positions based on media reports. Here are NIH covid guidelines, they are pretty level-headed:
There is insufficient evidence .. to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin .. Some clinical studies showed no benefits or worsening.. whereas others reported shorter time to resolution.. greater reduction in inflammatory marker levels, shorter time to viral clearance, or lower mortality rates.
There is insufficient evidence ..to recommend either for or against the use of colchicine
etc …Also, what do you guys think about new drugs from Merck and especially Pfizer? Seem pretty useful for remaining vaccine holdouts. Not sure why it again takes weeks and weeks to allow full use.