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  • in reply to: Government Jobs #1305652
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    Federal civil service is by applying, having OPM rate your resume, and getting called for an interview. Filling out the application is important since that is where one can explain that you really meet the requirements (e.g. explaining why your years in kollel are at least the equivalent of a B.A. in humanities, to meet a stated requirement). Lower level jobs may involve testing, but professional jobs don’t. OPM gives a list of top candidates, and you get interviewed. The person making the decision has to explain the choice to his or her boss in writing. — Patronage jobs involve knowing people in the right places and often paying off people; these jobs often involve Senate confirmation. I believe only one person with a yarmulke has ever gone that high. — While federal jobs are all over, the highest concentration is in the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area (which includes some neighborhoods with affordable housing). The OPM website handles the whole country.

    in reply to: When did hats get so big? #1304858
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    One should note that the “dress” fedora came into existence when Americans stopped wearing fedoras as part of regular male clothing. That would have been in the 1960s. Before that, fedoras were an un-dress hat, or as we call it a weekday hat. Americans are apparently starting to wear hats again, and one wonders if the growth of small non-fancy fedoras will impact on out choice of hats (perhaps shifting more to hamburg or even back to top hats???).

    A dress hat among Orthodox Jews would tend to “big” since we don’t use cars on Shabbos, and the argument against a big hat is its inconvenience in cars or other motorized transit.

    in reply to: Government Jobs #1304771
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    Whether a government job pays better than the private sector depends on the nature of the job, and how what looks at fringe benefits. In general, professionals are paid less than the private sector, but often have better benefits and working conditions (excellent medical care, secure retirement benefits, often a ban on unpaid overtime). Shabbos is much less likely to be a problem working for the government than working for a large employer in the private sector (as one as one avoids jobs that inherently require work on Saturday such as police, medical, etc.). In most government service, there is great job security even one is incompetent. Discrimination is not a problem, at least in civil service (patronage jobs are more like private sector).

    For non-professional jobs, the government tends to overpay. Thus the government rarely has problems recruiting clerks and janitors, but often has a problem recruiting professionals.

    Note that there is never an “upside” financially in government unless you are a crook. When you hear of someone who get rich while working for the government, assume they either had a side business or were corrupt. That’s especially true of those with political jobs (appointed as patronage, rather than merit selected).

    in reply to: Yeshiva tuition vs catholic schools #1304601
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    In Catholic schools the non-secular portion of the curriculum is minimal. If Jewish schools limited their curriculum to one or two periods a day, the costs would fall radically. The reason our schools are expensive is we are trying keep the traditional Torah curriculum , while also teaching a full “modern”secular curriculum. When the goyim switched to a “modern” curriculum (with lots of math, social studies and science) they totally gave up on their classical curriculum. – and today few goyim know anything about their own cultural heritage beyond what they picking from watching TV shows.

    in reply to: Are Rebbeim getting paid enough? #1303315
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    The law of supply and demand works regardless of what anyone attempts. Given that there is no shortage of candidates for jobs, it seems the wage is at a correct level. By comparison to college teachers, there is a tremendous oversupply of qualified applicants (sometimes hundreds of applicants for a single position), suggesting that their wages are too high. At present the supply and demand for teachers of Torah studies seems to be roughly at an equilibrium suggest the wages are neither too high nor too low.

    One should note that teachers in Jewish schools get many benefits that make the low salaries more tolerable, such as being free from the discrimination anyone frum encounters working in the well-paid outside world. For most Torah teachers, switching to a better paying career would mean giving up much Yiddishkeit.

    in reply to: Are Rebbeim getting paid enough? #1303245
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    1. Most rabbeim are not interested in other lines of work, which is why they except low pay.
    2. If the pay was too low, there would be a shortage of persons looking for jobs as rebbeim.
    3. If rabbeim were better paid, tuition would rise, forcing more families to either home school or to send their children to public schools (the former might work if the community embraced it, the latter was tried in the 20th century and resulted in mass assimilation, i.e. very few Jewish kids who went to public schools remained frum).

    in reply to: Court ruling against El Al #1303204
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    The person who objects to sitting next to the woman should offer to move (presumably to a middle seat, or switch to a less crowded flight). He should have arranged his seat previously (and a frum travel agent would know to book an entire two in order to avoid a problem). El Al, unlike, for example, Southwest, lets you book an actual seat in advance. In the US as well, the hareidi would be considered an out of line passenger and would probably be offered refund, especially if there was someone waiting to take the seat.

    in reply to: Switching to the metric system is a bad idea #1302122
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    Actually the US adopted the metric system over 200 years ago. Inches, feet, ounces, quarts, etc,., are all defined according to the metric system.

    in reply to: Religious Coercion in Israel #1299949
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    No man is required to give a “get” (or get divorced) UNLESS he previously entered into a marriage contract. No one is coerced into marriage. The only difference in that under Israeli law a husband has to do something to get divorced, whereas in most countries the husband can be divorced in absentia. In America, if someone is summoned by a court and ordered to do something, they are locked up with no appeal until they do what they have been ordered to – they lose almost all right to appeal since “they hold the key to their own release” – by obeying the court order.

    If the reason for laws closing businesses on Shabbos is to honor Shabbos and promote menucha, they are “religious coercion”. If they are to prevent discimination against workers who don’t want to work on Shabbos, and to offer a level playing field for frum business owners, they are necessary for inclusion of frum Jews within the zionist state.

    If you hold Israel is a secular state with many Jews, then the kosel is no more than an archeological site, importantly only as the past and future site of the Beis Mikdash (though secular reject the “future” part). If you think there is anying Jewish about the medinah, then it would be reasonable that the kosel is treated with kedushah – however most Israeli reject the idea that the medinah is Jewish.

    in reply to: Pilgrim Jews #1299601
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    1. There were no Jews in Massachusettes. It was officially Judenrein until the revolution (as were most of the American colonies). The only New England colony that tolerated religious minorities was Rhode Island, and toleration did not include full civil rights, merely not being kicked out.

    2. Pre-holocaust immigrants were not seeking religious freedom. In all fairness, the Europeans we lived under weren’t objecting to putting on tefillin or keeping Shabbos. Economic and political freedom was the issue in that period. Immigrants from the Soviet Union pre-WWII largely had a religious motivation, but there weren’t many of them. Post-war hareidi immigrants were often motivated by a desire for religious freedom since many perceived that as lacking is Medinat Yisrael.

    in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1298951
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    If one holds that the “Modern Orthodox” are part of the Torah world (and when we start working on political alliances, we certainly do consider them, and the kosher food industry certainly counts on them, etc.), one can’t complain that their converts act like the rest of the “modern orthodox” community, and that community tends to have very “creative” interpretations of halacha (which allows them to eat kosher ingredients prepared on cold non-kosher utensils, participating in sports as long as one lets a non-Jew handle the money, carrying in a Karmelis, dressing in manners that frum Jews find objectionable, etc.). One doesn’t expect Ivanka Trump to be frumer than her family’s rabbi, and especially, one doesn’t expect her to be frumer than her husband.

    in reply to: Who as here [Israel] first Jews or the Palestinians? #1298270
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    Most Palestinians and most Jews are probably descended from those who living in the region prior to Avraham Aveinu moving from what is now Iraq. Even when you have big shifts in population, it is usually involves the locals adopting to the new culture. Unlike Australia or North America, there are no records suggesting massive displacements. If you want to base a Jewish claim on a non-Torah basis, as the zionists do, you are probably not going to find good DNA evidence. The Jewish claim is based on Torah, not blood.

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    The goyim have an expression about “the chickens coming home to roost”. The Democrats have made it a routine to engage in mob violence to block Republican speakers or to force the dismissal of Republicans from jobs in universities and elsewhere, and have glorified those who call for murdering the president. This is where it leads. Based on how America has reacted to politically motivated assassins in the past, the country will rally against the anti-Trump “resistance.”

    in reply to: Rumor about Ivanka Trump Spurs conversation about Geirus #1296081
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    1. Most Europeans have Jewish ancestry. Intermarriage and going off the derekh were not invented in the 21st century. It would not be a hiddush if Ivanka (or most Europeans) began life as a safek Jew. This is an argument against using a Shabbos goy (unless they are from an ethnic group with little contact with Jews).

    2. If a ger is joining a modern orthodox community, one should assume they will act similar to that community.

    in reply to: Let’s talk about that Yiddish and ancient Ashkenaz article #1290087
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    In the above post, the word I intended was “pidgin”, though actually the more correct term would be a “creole” or simply a mixed/hybrid language, or in 21st century terms, a “Mash-up”. However neither Yiddish nor English are corrupt forms of a language.

    in reply to: Let’s talk about that Yiddish and ancient Ashkenaz article #1289952
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    YIDDISH is not a corruption of German. It is a pidgeon, of what Jews had been speaking (a pidgeon of Latin and Hebrew/Aramaic) with German. It is no more “corrupt” than English is (remember that English is a pidgeon of Norman French with Anglo-Saxon “Old” English). It isn’t surprising that there are no Turkish words in Yiddish, since Ashkenazim never had much contact with the Turks.

    Had the Khazar Jews moved into Europe, they would probably have brought many interesting words with them – though the Khazar Jews were primarily Greek (meaning “Roman”) Jews who fled from the Byzantine Empire (as we now call it, they were “Romans” back then), and probably moved to the Middle East when forced to migrate (Europe was still a backwater). Some Khazar descendants were located learning in what is now Spain (then part of the Arab world).

    in reply to: Let’s talk about that Yiddish and ancient Ashkenaz article #1289942
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    The evolution of the name Ashkenaz is distinct. It had nothing to do with DNA. It was a name for someplace up north, and when Jews stumbled into Central Europe they wrote home and tried to explain where they were.

    All Jews came from West Asia, which includes Turkey, Syria, Mesopotamia, Eretz Yisrael, etc. It isn’t like there was a pure strand of DNA in one particular place. People moved around, frequently. Just note the various place the אבות lived in during a mere four generations. What the DNA has shown, that is significant and was very disappointing to secular Jews (who don’t like being Jewish), is that Ashkenazim are not descended from diaspora converts but are from the same “stock” as all the other Jews (so much for various theories that we are really Turks from Central Asia, or some other such ancestry untainted by Jewish blood).

    in reply to: Is it illegal for the president to delete a tweet? #1289573
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    Since the president, and all political office holders, are working 24/7 (unlike lowly civil servants who have fixed schedules, get paid overtime and have guaranteed vacations), and argument can and is being made that political office holders (including the president and the cabinet) have no “private” email or twittering, etc., since they are doing the work on company time, and it is clearly job related. Once you decide that a politician is “on duty 24/7” then all of their “work product” is subject to federal records keeping laws and need to be archived for posterity. Whether this is a wise policy, or even a feasible one, is yet to be determined.

    in reply to: Trump and the embassy #1288978
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    If France were to move its embassy to New Orleans (or more realistically, if israel were to move its embassy to Brooklyn), the United States would be insulted. The only option would be to break diplomatic relations. That means client states, such as Israel, which need the superpower’s help more than the reverse, are stuck when the patron chooses to insult them. Given the Tel Aviv is the economic, cultural and political center of Israel, having an embassy in Jerusalem is not all that important. Nothing prevent the current ambassador from living in Jerusalem, and one can argue that Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are no further apart than, say Far Rockaway or the southern tip of Staten Island from mid-town Manhattan. The bottom line though, is that by not recognizing Israeli ownership of territory gained in the 1947-49. the US is officially agreeing with those question the legality of the medinah’s existence under international law.

    in reply to: Is working at a Kollel considered “working”? #1288973
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    Is the person teaching/learning in a kollel paid? If he pays tuition and/or room and board, he is clearly not “working.” If he receives renumeration such they he “lives off” of it, it’s a job. Whether one juggles it in a way to avoid taxes is a different matter.

    in reply to: Hated, Persecuted Minority 2 #1287318
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    Persecuting hareidim – and he didn’t get a medal?

    in reply to: You know you’re an adult when… #1286696
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    You have grandchillden, and notice all those immature and naive youngsters pushing baby strollers are actually parents…

    in reply to: Ger Naming Baby after NonJewish Grandparent #1285288
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    You are aware that “Mary” is actually the Anglicization of a Latinized form or the Hellenzation of the Aramaic form of the Hebrew name מרים? “Chris…” (Christopher, Christine, etc.) on the other hand as no Hebrew name that could be used.

    in reply to: Challenging expectations as an artist 🎨 #1277339
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    How about the expectation that one can support oneself as an artist (okay, its possible, but not likely).

    in reply to: Non – Halachic Jews In the Holocaust #1275798
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    In Germany, the assimilation began around 1800, so it was perhaps six generations (remember also that non-frum Jews tend to delay marriage and have fewer children, so their generations take long). In any event, most German Jews left in time. In Eastern Europe, where most of the deaths were, the movement towards assimilation was perhaps only three generations old, at most. Also remember that the person an “off the derekh” Jew has most in common with is another “off the derekh” Jew, which affects the rate at which such communities become safek non-Jews. It also should be noted that assimilated Jews were more likely to survive since in some cases the Germans wouldn’t know they were Jewish (especially outside of Germany), or they might have had less than the required amount of Jewish ancestry to be targetted – and of course assimilated Jews had a much easier time pretending to be goyim.

    in reply to: Earning Your Acronym like Rambam, Ramban, Rashba… #1272592
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    It helps to be dead, very dead. No one referred to Rashi or Rambam by an acronym when they were alive. Remember when they were alive, no one considered the “Rishonim” to be anything more than contemporary rabbanim (except maybe the Rambam, who was known as a leading physican/political leader at the time, as well).

    in reply to: Nationalism 🇮🇱 #1267789
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    The word “sovereign” means “above all kings.” Orthodox Jews, at least some of them, hold that Ha-Shem is our “sovereign”, not a medinah. If you are a nationalist, it means you hold that your state is number one, that it is not bound by any laws other than those of its own legislature. Almost by definition, a nationalist is holding that Ha-Shem’s laws are not supreme, since if they were, the state would not be “sovereign.” Zionism, the Jewish nationalist movement, by definition rejects that idea (thus the zionist sing that now they are a people free of Ha-Shem’s laws, the infamous עם חופשי verse in the zionist anthem).

    P.S. And even if you hold Ha-Shem gave Eretz Yisrael to the Jewish people, according to our traditions it was a conditional gift to allow us to do mitsvos, and wouldn’t cover a secular state whose whole raison d’etre is doing averios.

    in reply to: “Yom HaShoah”-A Zionist Fraud #1261905
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    While Zionism is a fraud (from a Torah perspective, since it claims to be based on Judaism and it isn’t), Yom Ha-Shoah is no worse than the rest of the movement. Jews traditionally honor the memories of those slain Al Kedushas ha-Shem at other times, but one can’t expect the zionists to participate in those since zionism doesn’t hold by Ha-Shem. Also the zionists need to make the holocaust seem special (as opposed to other widespread massacres) since it was much of the ideological basis the zionists used to convince the goyim to let them set up their medinah.

    in reply to: Bestselling Sefarim #1257960
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    Best selling sefarim are usually in the public domain, since their author’s are long dead. In some ways the market resembles that of non-Jewish publishing in the first centuries of printing. To be a “best selling” author of sefarim, become a leading scholar, have many talmidim, and there is still probably enough time before the end of the world for our sefer to become a best seller.

    in reply to: April 6 1917 = WW1 does April 6 2017 = WW3, ch”v? #1252779
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    As if anyone seriously worries about the US bombing the Syrians. You do realize that using poison gas against civilians is considered a heinous war crime. Though if you want an analogy, if the US enters the Syrian War on one side it could tilt the war in that side’s favor (presumably the Kurds and/or the Syrian insurgents, to the detriments of ISIS and the Syrians (backed by the Iranians and Russians). However there is minimal chance of this leading to something bigger (since as it is the Russians are not in a position to do much, and the Iranians don’t want to totally alienate the rest of the Islamic world by supporting Assad after he goes around gassing people).

    It does seriously hurt the Democratic party in the USA which invested much political capital in arguing that Trump is a Russian agent. It also might warn both Russia and North Korea that the “mad man” in the White House isn’t to trusted to turn a blind eye to their aggression (unlike his super-cool risk-averting predecessor).

    in reply to: Winning the struggle for religious rights in the IDF #1249286
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    But the whole idea of zionism was and is to established a nominally Jewish state free from Torah and Mitsvos. And the IDF is part of the state. To create an IDF that is not anti-Torah, one needs to create a non-zionist medinah.

    Note that in the United States, if some was prejudiced against Blacks or Hispanics (and note that frum Jews are a higher percentage of the Israeli population than Blacks or Hispanics are of the American population), the prejudiced person would be considered unacceptable to serve as an officer in the military, and probably would be largely excluded from any form of public service such as a member of the legislature. If Israel, including the IDF, were to give up zionism, the entire elite of society, and his includes those who run all government agencies, and especially the army, would be excluded. This is highly unlikely to happen. No matter how much the Religious zionist (and Modern Orthodox) yearn for Jewish state in which religious Jews are not discriminated against, those who rule Eretz Yisrael years for a state in which religious Jews are not present.

    in reply to: Should Scotland secede from the United Kingdom? #1247811
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    1. The original reason for Scotland joining with England to form Great Britain had to do with England bailing out Scotland, after Scotland got in a mess due to bad fiscal policies.

    2. Scotland has been a junior partner (even if several of the greatest British prime ministers were Scots). As a non-UK, EU-member, Scotland would be an even more junior partner relative to much larger countries such as France,Germany and Italy

    3. Scotland is significantly to the left of England. Indeed, without Scotland being in the UK, the Tories would have a lock on England.

    4. Scotland would still be a member of the Commonwealth (and perhaps still have a resident monarch), and would still be in NATO (albeit as a minor member similar to Denmark or Netherlands or Portugal).

    5. Note that the Scottish legal system, and local public administration, were never merged with that of England.

    in reply to: College #1243425
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    One should remember schools often offer merit scholarships, and the richer the school, the more they offer in terms of “need based” aid. Also one has to consider where one wants to work (City University of New York is not well known nationally, whereas Columbia is). If you want to work in a different part of the country, choose a school well known in that region.

    in reply to: College #1242727
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    If money is a factor, there are obvious advantages in going to a school in your home state (or alternatively, moving to a state with a good public engineering program and living there long enough to establish residence). If money is not an issue, or if your academics are good enough for a merit scholarship, private schools are the same anywhere (and at the better private schools, merit and need scholarships can lower the cost to no more than what a public out-of-state student pays). Since there is minimal demand for engineers within the frum community (i.e. you will have to work for goyim sooner or later), you will have to be used to working with goyim, and going to school with goyim (as you are from “out of town”, that is probably not a problem).

    Being a frum Jew in a field in which there are relatively few frum Jews (at that probably includes engineering and sciences) means you have to make more of an effort to manage, but you probably can market your presence as “diversity”, which is a popular buzz word. Compared to 50+ years ago there are far fewer problems with reasonable accomodation, and one finds frum Jews popping up in places that would have been unheard before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    in reply to: America should trade Taiwan for North Korea #1239277
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    And if the US can broker a pact with the Muslim Middle East whereby we drop support for Israel, thereby effectively forcing Israel to agree to some sort of “dhimmi” status jurisdiction under the Muslims, in exchange for the Muslims agreeing to stop terrorism against the western world and to keep the price of imported oil law, thereby promoting peace and prosperity in the western world.

    There is much to be said for support for democracy and self-determination, even of small groups who lack the means to coerce others. An American that is based on moral principles is actually in our interests.

    in reply to: America should trade Taiwan for North Korea #1238915
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    Does it ever occur to ask the people in Taiwan, which is a democracy, what they think?

    Wouldn’t stabbing a democratic ally in the back be a precedent for stabbing Israel in the back?

    China has already made it clear that if North Korea starts a war, they are on their own. Trump can freely nuke them (since under international law, one is allowed to nuke countries that have nukes), and let the South Koreans clean up the mess. If the US also offers to withdraw troops from that region (where they aren’t all that popular, and where it is expensive to station troops since these are all industrialized countries), the Chinese will be delighted.

    in reply to: world Safety #1238916
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    Olam ha-Ba is quite safe. It’s the world of emes. This world is the world of sheker (fake world). Don’t lose sleep over it. In a wink of an eye you’ll realize its a bad dream and no more.

    in reply to: Hebrew name #1228762
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    Jews, not just in the US, never use the personal name “Jesus” even in countries where it is a common male personal name. Instead we use the name “Yehoshua” or “Joshua”. We NEVER Anglicize the names as “Jesus” (which is an Anglicization of a Latin version of the Greek version or the Aramaic version of Yehoshua – which got murdered linguistically along the way). Most people are unaware that the English names Joshua and Jesus are both derived from the same Hebrew name (similarly James/Yaakov or Elisheva/Betty).

    No one would confuse “Yehoshua Eliyahu” for “Jesus Elias”.

    in reply to: Daylight saving time actually doesn't make sense. #1226116
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    Does any standard time make “sense”. There are three parts to this:

    1. Should we go back to the same sort of clock (still used by Yidden to determine when to daven) based on sun time, roughly dividing the daylight into 12 hours (hour length varies during the year). The goyim switched a few centuries ago, at most.

    2. Should we have time zones at all (they were introduced by the railroads in the 19th century). Before then Baltimore and New York would have different times – but before telecommunications no one cared.

    3. The idea of daylight savings is not to “waste” the early morning daylight when everyone is sleeping and to move that daylight to evening when people are awake and about. Unless you are into a “Visikin” minyan, you probably get up at the same time regardless of whether it is dark out or not. If you don’t like daylight savings, or standard times, one can alway get up consistently at the same time regardless of government time (note that most people going to a Viskin minyan, get up roughly an hour before sunrise regardless of official times).

    in reply to: Team Israel in World baseball classic #1225632
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    It is for all purposes a team of Americans of Jewish descent – not a bad idea, and interesting that they are doing well. It might be nice if there was a serious Israeli interest in baseball, but there isn’t. And while many frum Jews like baseball, and always have (baseball players don’t try to injure each other, they wear clothes, the sport is open to people of all shapes and sizes, and brains are a big part of the game), it is unlikely a frum Jew would ever reach the level necessary to play on a national team since high-level baseball is routinely played on Shabbos.

    in reply to: Smoking and Gender Equality #1222799
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    How is it respectable for boys to smoke? While historically women have tended to be less inclined towards addictive vices (smoking, drinking, various other drugs), that may be due to either biological or cultural factors that cause women to be more level headed (if you hold by Darwin, if young women tended to be as crazed as young men, it would seriously interfere with child rearing and be very dangerous for the children).

    in reply to: Bachurim/yungeleit wearing sweaters #1222181
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    By “sweaters” do you mean:

    1. Solid black (or white, dark blue or grey), either a sweater vest or a cardigan (with buttons) or long-sleeve pullover (usually enough of a V-neck for a tie)-preferably matching or coordinated with pants and jacket

    2. Something colorful, with a picture or design on it.

    I have frequently seen people (including myself, in a mirror) wearing the former, including under a kapote or beckeshe or suit jacket – and I have never seen Bnei Torah wearing the latter

    in reply to: Shemona Esrey pronunciation #1217584
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    Since we’ve been pronouncing it that way since before they added the 19th brachah, so the grammatical reasons for it are less important than the fact that is a well established custom

    in reply to: What would you do about a bruised leg? #1222903
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    See an orthopedist (specialist in such matters). Also talk to a primary care physician (a bruise not heeling can indicate a variety of diseases, some of which can be fatal). Do not ask silly questions on YWN.

    in reply to: Coming to shul without a jacket for davening Shachris #1219630
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    Styles vary considerably based on subculture and region. If you would go on a job interview without a jacket and tie, or go to meet President Trump dressed that way – then its probably okay to go to shul without a jacket and tie. Note that many hareidim don’t wear a tie – which in other circles is a sign of disrespect. In the past men often wore a fedora on Shabbos, even though it was a “working week” hat, at least among the better dressed upper crust people. And in many countries, the rabbanim didn’t wear a jacket (particularly in non-European areas). Another factor is local custom of wearing a tallis (since a tallis, which originally was worn as outwear similar to a jacket, makes what is underneath less significant).

    The only halacha is one should wear your best clothes to shul on Shabbos and Yuntuf, and that is not an absolute standard.

    in reply to: Charedi a Reaction to Haskalah #1218639
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    1. “Hareidi” is relative. If there were no non-hareidi Jews, then no one would be considered hareidi. If everyone were hareidi, then no one is. The halachic interpretations and lifestyles of the hareidi Jews were “normal” until 300 years ago, when the non-hareidi (secular, haskalah, reform, zionist, etc.) movement began.

    2. People frequently perceive past fashion erroneously. Indeed, only hard care “reinactors” try to get it right. It is quite normal that pictures of past events will dress them in anachronistic clothing – that’s normal in most cultures. It also tells the people to not worry about minor things like clothes, and look at the substance of what the people were doing.

    3. Jews have always adopted technology from the goyim. In matters that don’t matter, we never worried about copying from the goyim. Note the lack of shailohs discussing such matters as use of shoes that distinguish right and left, using pens rather than quills, what type of underwear to use (which no one ever sees in public). Note that no one every asked about the switch from clay tablets to papyrus to parchment to rag paper to wood pulp paper (except for things that really matter, such as a Sefer Torah).

    tiny edit (sorry for the nitpik)

    in reply to: Charedi a Reaction to Haskalah #1218626
    akuperma
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    One should remember there is a difference between schooling and education, between what one does in a structured setting, and what one learns. If Hareidim rejected “secular studies”, then when one walked through Boro Park of Williamsburg you would notice that all the stores were run by goyim or at least “modern” Jews, since running a business requires a variety of skills involving secular knowledge (languages, math and accounting, law, economics, etc). The fact that most hareidim do not study “secular subjects” in yeshivos (e.g. no learning Latin, or how to solve quadratic equations, or the difference between Keynes and Hayek, or Marxist social theories) does NOT mean they are ignorant and dumb. Frum Jews have always, and still do gain secular knowledge as necessary – but gaining such skills is NOT a function of what one does in a formal school setting, since traditionally frum Jews reserve the formal school setting for Torah studies.

    in reply to: Charedi a Reaction to Haskalah #1218619
    akuperma
    Participant

    Most Bnei Torah today, as in the past, work in jobs considered appropriate for a Ben Torah, such as communal civil service (teachers, soferim, etc.), scholarship, etc. Then as now, many Bnei Torah also run businesses.

    The biggest change is that the percentage of Bnei Torah is higher, since the people who 300 years ago would have been a frum Am ha-Aretz, is not secular, and probably vanished due to assimilation – and those who remained frum remained frum becuase they decided to be Bnei Torah. History suggests there is really no option between assimilation (meaning giving up being Jewish and joining the general population) and being a Ben Torah. One can’t raise kids to be a little bit Jewish.

    in reply to: When did hats get so big? #1216892
    akuperma
    Participant

    The only change is that fedoras became more popular as a dress hat, which began when hats started to go out of style (attributed to President Kennedy losing his top hat for his post-swearing in walk down Pennsylvania Avenue). Since they were a “dress hat” (fedoras were traditionally an un-dress, weekday hat), they tended to get nice. Other hat styles seen in the community (Streimels, Homburgs) are unchanged. In the past, people wore caps more often, but they were never Shabbos-dik (and remember, the pictures you see in the past were of weekday hats only, for obvious reasons). Also most frum Jews tend to be more affluent, and dressing better is part of that (in the past they were dominated by diamond workers and sweatshop workers, now we have lots of lawyers and accountants)

    in reply to: Charedi a Reaction to Haskalah #1218606
    akuperma
    Participant

    If you looked at an Ashkenazi Ben Torah from 250 years ago (i.e. pre-haskahah), it would look amazingly like a modern day hareidi. It is the secularized Jews who changed.

    Those claim that the “hareidi” movement is a modern invention is part of the “big lie” of the non-orthodox Jews (including some of the modern orthodox) that Torah and Mitsvos are a recent creation and that being Jewish is function of ethnicity and social customs (including support of left-wing political movements, among other things).

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