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Saying Mi Sheberach for Tzahal is in no way an endorsement of the medinah. That said, it is our Torah study and Emuna in Eretz Yisrael which keeps us (and the secular yidden by default) safe.
Also, the Gedolim disagreed with the secular medinah, but they all agree that one should live in Eretz Yisrael regardless. Too many people in this thread are using the state as an excuse for their own short-falls.
If you were going to engage the odious NK in debate over anything, why choose the Three Oaths (where clearly, they are going to win the debate)?
Instead, might I suggest you question their stance on these three topics instead:
1. Ahavas Yisroel. Why do they strengthen the hand of those who chas v’shalom seek our destruction and the destruction of our holy sites?
2. Emuna. Their disagreements with the secular medina are in line with what we can all relate to here on YW. That said the (growing) Jewish presence in Eretz Yisroel is the calling and the will of Hashem. That is basic emuna.
3. The mitzvah of settling the land. The three oaths only relate to conquering the land, however they should not stand in the way of Yidden fulfilling the “mega-mitzvah” of settling the land (see Ramban etc).
EDIT: In fact, better yet, don’t debate them at all.
It’s not only the Gedolim who state this, however (as has already been mentioned in this thread), the Zohar attributes holiness to the beard and completely forbids it being shaved with anything. The Arizal went one step further and taught not to even touch one’s beard.
Wolf, I would assume your Rav who disagrees with Gedolei Yisroel and ignores the Zohar over shaving also has a basis for this?
Wolf – What looks smart to you isn’t really of any great importance. No offence, but it somewhat comes across that you are more concerned with your own feelings rather than what the Poskim say. I know that isn’t true, but that’s certainly the image such arguments project.
“The problem is that Rav Kanievsky’s position is contrary to what the common practice seems to be.”
I doubt it’s really all that common, a frum Yid should rarely find himself in a situation when it’s nearing time to daven without his hat/jacket. Even if it is a common situation (and I can’t say I’ve seen that it is), then it’s still not an IDEAL situation.
“It’s near Mincha time and you don’t have a hat/jacket. There is no time to get your hat/jacket and still make the minyan. So, what do you do? Do you daven alone or do you make the minyan?”
Why are you out without your hat/jacket? If you don’t wear them all day long, then did you forget you would have to daven mincha? Ok so, it sounds like a one-off situation, in which case you could accept not making the minyan which would have the added advantage of ensuring you are in hat/jacket the next day.
The problem seems to be that most who aren’t in Jacket/Hat haven’t simply “forgotten” them, they daven without and “feel” it to be acceptable. It’s not something to police, certainly, but if it was myself I would have serious misgivings over casting aside the words of the MB and R’ Kanievsky with nothing to back up my “rogue” stance.
Wolf,
While it’s true, you could make an argument for covering the bases (similar to Pascal’s Wager, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose), however that’s not really the way I look at it.
The point I was trying to make (though did not do very well!) is that I myself may feel it to be acceptable to daven without a jacket or hat, but if Rav Kanikevsky shlita is of the opposite opinion (and I have no statements from Poskim to the contrary), then surely I must be doing something wrong.
Wolf – While I normally don’t weigh in on these issues, you seem to be looking at things the wrong way round. Your Rav would probably not say something if you davened in a jacket/hat either. So why not follow both your Rav and Rav Kanikevsky shlita and wear a jacket/hat?
I guess the point I’m trying to get across is, that those who don’t wear Jacket/Hat when davening seem to do so for personal reasons (ie, they don’t like it or feel it would be “ok”). When one side of the argument can quote Poskim and the other can’t, I don’t see why there should even be an argument at all to be honest.
The Zohar and the Arizal’s teachings are pretty straight forward on the issue.
The Garden of Emuna by Rav Shalom Arush.
Highly inspiring on every level and because it deals with such a large range of topics and situations it will literally change your life.
Shidduchim will always be an issue for BT and maybe even more so for Gerim. With emuna we should all know it’s inconsequential though, as one’s shidduch is decided in shemayim.