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america recognizes and accepts that concioncious objectors do not serve in the military and america does not jail conciencious objectors.
israel’s stipend is a small pittance of $200 a month for a family of 8. it is NOT what keeps kollel families financially afloat. kollel families can get more free money living in America.
why is this program discriminating against men?
truthsharer: America DOES give kollel families more financial support (considering food stamps, welfare, wic, section 8, heap, Medicaid, free lifeline cell phone service, head start, etc etc etc) than the pittance of a couple hundred dollars that the Israeli government gives.
Mdd: No Western country jails conscientious objectors to military service.
nitpicker: Which brand is cheapest at kollel? And is krm the only place to get it at that price?
He went of the deep end a long time ago, already. The rabbonim shlita banned his Big Event concert years ago already. They were on to him for a long time.
Now that squeak mentioned it, I do recall hearing (way back) that it was flowers that Trump agreed to send. Thank you.
I heard this story a very long time ago, about 18 years ago, before everyone had cellphones. The snope writer doesn’t believe the story because he couldn’t find confirmation. But Mr. Trump himself, in 2005, confirmed this story happened a while earlier on a busy New Jersey highway.
A frum guy was driving on the highway and saw a car pulled over on the shoulder that was disabled. So he pulled over to see if he could help. He asked the driver what’s the matter. The driver said he got a flat. So the frum guy asked the driver if has a spare. The driver did. So he told him he could put on the spare tire. Kach hava, he gets out his tools and has the spare on in no time flat. He tells the driver you’re good to go, have a nice day. The driver says hold up a second, the guy I’m driving wants to thank you. Nu, the frum guy walks over to the passenger side of the Limo, the guy inside opens his door and thanks him and says I’d like to give you a tip for helping me out. The frum guy says no thanks, it was a pleasure helping you get back on your way, and I don’t need a tip. The passenger insists but the frum guy adamently refuses to accept payment. So the passenger says “Okay, at least let me mail you a thank you card. What’s your address?” The guy gives him his address and is on his way.
A few days later the frum guy gets a card in the mail “Thank you very much for helping me get going by fixing my flat when I got stuck on the highway. Your mortgage is paid off.
Signed: Donald Trump
Have you heard of many terrorist incidents occurring on Swiss, where their planes with passengers are being highjacked every other Monday?
Rent, food, salaries, utilities, maintenance, supplies, etc.
NOO-VOO-MMIINNSSKK
At the bar.
NG: Which matzah is $10?
It is pronounced N-O-V-O-M-I-N-S-K.
Going to a fancy Pesach hotel to enjoy the yontiff’dik ambience and selling the house. Kitchen turnovers are for the poor folks.
“Ma’am, can I ask you why you are wearing high heels now?”
CAD: Should the couple have gone on line three seperate times?
The zionists caused the severe limitation of the ability of Jews to be allowed to go to Eretz Yisroel before the war. They also said they don’t want the old Jews from Europe to come to Palestine. And they said they preferred a cow in Palestine than a European Jew.
And, today, Israel is the most dangerous and deadly country for a Jew to live in.
A real talmid chochom and godol is HaRav Avrohom Sherman shlita. Ironically he is daati leumi. And you should read his psak beis din on the Druckman so-called converts.
No, benignuman, you are assuming the “beis din” consists of talmidei chachomim (and you even annoint some as being a “godol”) when in fact they are none of that and simply political hacks with a religious orientation. Knowing gemora and/or psak well does not on its own make one a talmid chochom. (As an aside, do you hear of gedolim who had an elected parliamentary career like R. Druckman?) Ergo “Orthodox” talmidei chachomim like Moses Mendelssohn.
” If he verbally accepts the mitzvos than he is bound by his acceptance and the giyur is valid. He can’t come later claiming that in his mind he didn’t mean it.”
It is patently obvious he never intended to accept the mitzvos in the first place, despite his uttering some prepared text saying he has.
If he knows a mitzvah before “conversion” and at the same time knows and intends to completely flaunt it and not observe it, despite any verbiage he utters “accepting” the Ol Mitzvos, he never accepted the Ol Mitzvos and remains a gentile.
Beniguman: That is double-talk. If someone knows before conversion he will not observe his mitzvos obligations, he is clearly not accepting the ol of mitzvos. Such a so-called convert remains a gentile.
LF: How will the IDF stop an Iranian Nuke from killing one million in Tel Aviv?
LF: The zionists actually colluded and collaborated with the Nazis yms in exterminating Jews in Europe. Research zionist Kastner and his friend Adolf Eichmann yms.
Aside from the question at hand, accepting entitlement funding from a non-Jewish government is not equivelent to accepting a tzedaka handout.
1. The biggest financial criminals are chilonim.
2. The Zionists passed law prevening Chareidim from working on the books and thus paying taxes.
Edom.
The Chashmonim vs. the Edomites.
I agree. Often when husband and wife couldn’t agree whether something is kosher, they would consult Harav Blumenkrantz’s Sefer and resolve their shalom bayis issue as such.
truthsharer: you are mistaken. The coalition agreement requires 2/3 of the chareidim serving be in the army and NOT national service. Furthermore, the agreement says only the army will decide if someone is allowed to go to national service instead of the army. (Additionally, it severely limits what is even considered to be national service.)
There is no doubt that the majority of Yidden from families that came to EY 100-200 years ago are against the Zionists today. And the zionists wouldn’t dare jailing thousands of Chareidi draft dodgers. 1) They don’t have the resources for so many Chareidim in jail, where to put them or pay for their incarceration 2) They know they would have massive riots throughout the entire country with traffic and all normal life (of chilonim and everyone) if not grounding to a halt then being massively interrupted 3) it would risk severe international condemnation of Israel were it to continue for more than a brief period.
Right, and other civlized countries accept “concientious objections” to being drafted. Brisk and Satmar clearly and inarguably are legitimate concientious objectors to serving in the zionist army inasmuch as secular pacifists and the Amish are elsewhere.
Well, $3 Billion is not paltry any way you look at it. And Israel is the absolute largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid, even though it is a small country. And it receices both military and non-military economic aid. As far as the Chareidim are concerned, they receive a paltry amount of aid. And many of them even refuse to take the little they are entitled to, and yet the government is now demanding that even the Chareidim who don’t take the little government funding offered also be drafted! (You should be cheering the Briskers and Satmarers as they don’t take money from the government. Why does the draft apply to them? They should be completely exempt even if they are not in yeshiva.)
He is the most widely held by for Pesach issues. Does everyone hold everything he paskens? There are probably some who disagree with some things.
And in general, Jews are more machmir on Pesach than they might be year-round.
Of those whose families came to EY in the 18th and 19th century, the vast majority disagree with you and are the strongest anti-zionists. And it is doubtful the zionists will risk starting a civil war by attempting to jail thousands and thousands of Chareidi draft-dodgers.
Paltry? The Chareidim get much much less than that. Something like a paltry hundred dollars or so a *month* from the government.
And $3 Bil a year ain’t so paltry.
The Gra used machine matzah???
Well, the final coalition agreement on drafting Chareidim has been signed and sealed and it is worse than anticipated.
As agreed upon by Netanyahu and written into the coalition agreement by Yesh Atid MK Shelah, “the state would focus on increasing the number of Haredi men in the IDF, particularly in combat roles, starting at as young an age as possible. It also gives the IDF first right of refusal of a potential inductee. The army, not the yeshiva student, would decide whether he goes to the military or to the civilian national service.”
So, in fact, civilian service is NOT an option for yeshiva students (unless the IDF decides it has enough yeshiva talmidim drafted and it at its own discretion decides to allow a specific yeshiva bochor do civilian service rather than army service.) And the proposed law states that 2/3 of Chareidim serving must be in the army and not in civilian service.
Furthermore, out of 12,000 18 year-old bochorim each year who currently go to yeshiva, the new proposed law will only allow 1,800 go to yeshiva while forcibly drafting the remaining 10,200 18 year-old yeshiva bochorim who otherwise wished to go to yeshiva.
Who will get to choose who the “lucky” 1,800 are and who the unlucky 10,200 are is anyones guess. Will the government give more exemptions to yeshivas it favors and less exemptions to yeshivas it disfavors? Most likely. A Cantonist Russian system comes to mind and the forced conscription of the poor for the benefit of the rich.
Oh, and in terms of civilian service, “Shelah’s plan emphasizes positions in security and rescue services such as the police, fire departments and the ZAKA disaster victim identification unit. It does not focus on community service, which Shelah sees as having little benefit.” So claims that civilian service (for the few the army even allows to choose civilian service rather than being forcibly drafted) will include Bikur Cholim type service is wholly incorrect.
And regarding the Arab citizens of Israel? They remain completely exempt of any mandatory service or conscription. Arab citizens are treated better by the State than Chareidi citizens. The discrimination is glaring.
No.
popa: you aren’t disagreeing with akuperrma even on that point. Akuperma has posted that the chareidim would agree to live under Arab rule in Eretz Yisroel.
I think it is much more tznius since the guy and woman are not alone in the car for a couple hours (round trip.)
Aside from that, I don’t think that between driving or being driven by a car service, one is better than the other.
The Chazon Ish was fiercest anti-zionist.
Gavraatwork: becaue the zionists actions have made the Arab countries inhospitable for Jews.
His beis din is a farce. He signed thousands of conversion certificates certifying he was on the beis din in EY while he was traveling in Europe those dates.