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Yevamos 24B, Tosfos there, Yevamos 47a-b, 76A.
Rambam hilchos isurei biah, located in Sefer Kedusha), perek 13, halachas 14,15,16,17. ( hebrewbooks.org rambam browser makes this convenient)
Tur and shulchan Aruch Yoreh deah siman 268, especially the end. I didn’t see the Shulchan Aruch yet, but in the tur it’s sif 4 and 12. I have a Tur set at home but not a shulchan Aruch set.
The gemara quite clearly states that they didn’t accept geirim in the days of Dovid and Shlomo because they geirim had ulterior motives. The Gemara does say that there were 150k geirim then. The Rambam says that they were converted by batei din of hedyotos. The Hagohos Mordechai (Yevamos siman 110)says that if we know they have ulterior motives, we do not accept them. the Rambam does say that if they were accepted by others and had mila and tevila, bedieved (as in, not lechatchila), they are full geirim and we watch them to see if they accepted the mitzvos. The Tur is quite clear ( by siman 4) that kabalas ol mitzvos is me’akev, even though a simple reading of the Rambam doesn’t say it. Kabalas ol mitzvos is me’aekev even if it wasn’t in front of 3, kol shekein if it was neevr done at all. That is why we can go lemafrea. However, even the Rambam is mode that we don’t accept geirim lechatchila for ulterior motives. I only put in an hour into this, and didn’t have time to read through the shulchan aruch nosei keilim and later poskim yet, but it does seem quite clear that 1. kabalas ol mitzvos is me’akev, at least according to the Tur, 2. There are those who say the Beis Yosef agrees with the Tur, and the only heter is if they didn’t inform him of the mitzvos, assuming he meant to accept all the mitzvos, not that he didn’t fully accept all the mitzvos, and 3. According to all opinions, we do not lechatchila accept geirim converting for ulterior motives. Geirim who accept all the mitzvos for ulterior motives are geirim bedeieved, but lechatchila we do not accept them. Geirim who do not accept mitzvos are not geirim (based on tur 4 who says even kabbalos ol mitzvos in front of less than 3 or at night is bad). So to lechatchila make geirim out of goyim for no good reason, and who don’t want to accept mitzvos, is AGAINST normative halacha. The only question is bedieved, if a beis din of hedyotos (a good name as nay for abeis din that goes against the lechatchila of normative halacha) if the Rambam is in fact arguing on the tur and holds that bedieved kabaalas ol mitzvos is not me’akev. However, the beis yosef holds like the Tur and has a different girsa in that part of the Rambam. This wasn’t some chumra made by Rav Eliashiv .
The secular Zionists brought the goyim from Russia and elsewhere in to counteract the growing Chareidi population. So now that the secular Zionists were oved the baal pe’or, the Rabbanut has to wipe up the mess? Why does the rabanut have to be mah-yafisniks, dancing to the whims of the Secular Zionists? It’s the Secular Zionists calling the halachic tune, and the modern Rabbanut “Mah-Yafis”niks dancing to the tune. (Note: Many rabbanim of the rabbanut do follow Gedolim, and do not deserve to be lumped in here. I am hereby excluding those.) Absolute authority rests with those who know halacha and spend their lives studying it, not with the secular Zionists. No matter how flexible you want to be, you cant make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear.
The second courageous virtue Netanyahu spoke of was Rabbi Druckman’s successful conversion of 50,000 people into Judaism, in the time when he headed the Conversion Authority.
Living In CIS, (11/3/13)
How many of those 50,000 observe Torah and mitzvos? Those I know who took the tests and passed do not keep anything. It was just “wish me luck on the test!” and then nothing. Being m’ga’er the Russian immigrants who believe in another religion does not stop anti-semitism, and just makes a Fifth Column within Judaism,!
I am quite a few years distance from 23
Let’s correct modox brainwashed education
“If other rabbis (most, actually) and the Talmud believe that work is absolutely preferable than living off tzedakah, why would anyone believe otherwise?”
Ever heard of the mapai red card?
Ever heard of the histadrut?
When Weitzman visited in the mid 20s, he said the most impressive settlement was Bnei Brak
The original chareidi settlers were all small farmers, shop keepers, and businessmen.
And they were chased out.
By whom?
R’ Nachman Bulman started a frum anglo community in ’80s in Migdal Emek with a ratio of 3 earner: 1 learner.
He requested the secular and mizrachi parties for help. The hypocrites all couldn’t care less.
“These same gedolim were the ones advising Jews not to leave Europe during the 1930s when Jabotinsky begged them to leave.”
R’ Yisroel Salanter, the Kelmer maggid, S. Zeitlen the frum journalist, the Torah Temimah, R’ Elchonon Wasserman all foretold the coming catastrophe.
What was the alternative?
Palestine?
Where the Jewish Agency cajoled the British not to let them in?
“RAK B’DAM TIHYE LANU HA’AETZ, Shed your blood cheerfully, for your blood is cheap. But for your blood, the Land will be ours.”
Moisville, Argentina?
where the Jews have long since assimilated?
The US?
Where R’ J.B. was so dispirited in the ’30s, that he wanted to go BACK to Europe?
Ah, yes, Jabotinsky
who tore up his zionist membership card in ’31,
was treacherously marginalized by mizrachi’s concordat with Ben Gurion in ’35,
and secular as he was, toward the end felt more in kindred with the gedolim
“One more thing. You criticize the state and every Jew who doesn’t think like you. Well, that’s your perogative, but don’t you feel just a wee bit hypocritical taking money from this same state and from these same Jews that you hate?”
After they sucked everything from the Jewish people and give back a pittance?
In 1976, in Tradition Magazine! there was an article that stated that if not for the State of Israel, tens or hundreds of millions would have gone to Jewish education, communal institutions and yeshivos…
Knaves..
Op-Ed: ‘Et Tu Bennett’ – A Hareidi Yeshiva Student’s View
Published: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:50 PM
Rafi Newman
The writer is a 23 year old Yeshiva Student learning in the Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem. He made aliya from the US in 1999 with his family.
In Middle Eastern countries a similar tax called Jizya was leveled on the Jews. It was an extra tolerance and protection tax levied upon all non-Muslims, called Dhimmi.
By paying the extra tax, the wandering Jew was supposed to be tolerated, but were nevertheless incessantly subject to openly anti-Semitic remarks – and he felt himself lucky if the reactions were limited to remarks. A few notable examples:
“They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.” (Lettres de Memmius a Ciceron, 1771)
Beyond this, the partnership between Lapid and Bennet is nothing short of unnatural, because contrary to what many may think, there is a natural synergy between haredim and the settlers. Both live their lives sacrificing for their ideals, though the subject of that idealism may be different, and both are victims of the left-wing secular.
It is the idealism of the National religious and hareidim that is a thorn in the side of the secular post-Zionists. In stark contrast to this idealism, Yair Lapid treats anything holy with contempt. He wishes to extinguish the light unto the nations.
To stop the bullying, Bennett has joined the bully to scapegoat the other victim, the hareidim, for everything that is wrong with this country.
Bennett joins Lapid in blaming the hareidim with the claim that if only they were in the army, if only they learned mathematics and English, if only they flooded the workplace, then housing would be affordable, university would be inexpensive, and everyone would earn much more money and pay fewer taxes.
This would be laughable if it were not so tragic. Though many blame the hareidim for not agreeing to join with Bayit Yehudi, MK Ayelet Shaked openly admitted that the Jewish Home never sat down with the haredi parties – in contradiction to MK Uri Ariel (Bayit Yehudi) who claims that Shas refused to talk with them – to discuss a solution to the matter.
We feel that he betrayed us, do not be so sure that he will not betray you.
If referring to a chareidi/chardal/traditional alliance, then as long as they hold together, despite all efforts against them to divide and conquer, then hopefully it will happen.
As per the small srugim, let’s state truth. They desperately prefer a very secular state [ more than the secular themselves]
The term orthodox rabbi has been fast becoming meaningless.
“Correct, which is why I said I said “(although I don’t agree that it can be compared either way)”. However, an outside observer who sees this would conclude that there is discrimination and bigotry coming from the Charaidim.”
so flip you and your ilk around and lecture the other side, instead of lecturing the chareidim.
Israel Hayom
Dr. Haim Shine
hatred of haredim
Murky waves of disdain have passed among our brethren since the founding of the state. It’s an abysmal kind of hatred that stems from the old elite’s fear of losing hegemony. This is the elite that founded the state and then claimed its main assets for itself; the elite that called Holocaust survivors “soap” (because of the largely unfounded rumor that the Nazis had made soap from the fat of Jewish bodies); the elite that pushed Jewish immigrants of Middle Eastern descent into the outermost peripheries and called them the “Second Israel” (the Ashkenazim being the “First Israel”); the elite that ridiculed immigrants from the former Soviet Union. The apex of elitist hatred now is directed at the haredi and settler communities, and is expressed in slogans no propagandist would even dare use.
It’s unclear, though, how Habayit Hayehudi Chairman Naftali Bennett and MKs Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan and Orit Struck got so mixed up about which side they should be on. It’s too bad that their GPS malfunctioned at the moment of truth.
The greatest tragedy of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is that everyone knows how it will end. We will divide up the region. Israel will return most of the West Bank, and the Palestinian flag will fly on public buildings in East Jerusalem.
The only unanswered question is how many more people will have to die along the way. And so we will fight against the extremists on both sides, including our extremists, the settlers.
The Finance Ministry will implement massive cuts to the 2013 and 2014 budgets, totalling NIS 30 billion ($8.1 billion) over the next two years. The plan seeks to cut NIS 10 billion ($2.7 billion) from the government’s budget in 2013 and another NIS 20 billion ($5.4 billion) in 2014, as well as raising NIS 4 billion shekels ($1.1 billion) from the public sector through raised taxes and other measures.
One of the major changes will be an initial 1 percent hike in the value added tax (VAT), bringing it up to 18%. The VAT exemption on fruits and vegetables will also be annulled. There will be a NIS 3 billion ($813 million) cut in subsidies for children and public sector salaries will be cut by NIS 4 billion ($1.1 billion). Retirement age for women will be raised to 67, from the current age of 62.
The Finance Ministry’s plan is in its final stages and will likely be presented later in the week to the new finance minister, Yair Lapid.
The plan will cut NIS 5 billion ($1.4 billion) from the defense budget in 2014 and half of that amount in the 2013 budget. The cuts will also affect local authorities, including NIS 350-700 million ($94.9-190 million) in cuts from municipalities and a 5-8% rise in property taxes beyond inflation.
There is also a planned 25% cut on tax breaks for advanced study savings funds and planned elimination of tax breaks for shift workers and high-tech workers, as well as the elimination of the VAT exemption in Eilat. These measures are projected to bring in NIS 700 million ($190 million) annually.
In the real estate field, the Finance Ministry has suggested cutting the capital gains tax exemption for second apartment ownership and increasing the purchasing tax on luxury apartments and investment acquisitions. In addition, higher taxes will be imposed on foreign investors involved in real estate transactions and those purchasing residential apartments, a construction delay tax will be levied on contractors and a fine for companies and real estate entrepreneurs who build on land not freed by the Israel Lands Administration for construction.
At the same time, the Finance Ministry proposes eliminating all housing benefits for haredim (ultra-Orthodox), shifting affordable housing to veteran soldiers and young couples with both spouses working. The plan also includes the construction of 55,000 apartments over the next two years; 15% of the new apartments will be designated as affordable housing, and the construction of student housing in ten city centers will be moved forward as well. The construction plans also include apartments for rent, as well as purchase.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu delivered a heartfelt tribute to Rabbi Haim Druckman, venerated spiritual leader of the religious Zionist stream, at an evening Sunday honoring Rabbi Druckman upon reaching the age of 80.
Netanyahu tore up the speech he had prepared and delivered an improvised version of it instead. “You know,” he quipped, “in my family, reaching the age of 80 is not something to write home about… and you have a long road full of great deeds ahead of you.”
“I would like to speak of your courageous virtues,” he said, “three of them, and the first is here in the hall and outside it.”
The second courageous virtue Netanyahu spoke of was Rabbi Druckman’s successful conversion of 50,000 people into Judaism, in the time when he headed the Conversion Authority.
Living In CIS, (11/3/13)
How many of those 50,000 observe Torah and mitzvos? Those I know who took the tests and passed do not keep anything. It was just “wish me luck on the test!” and then nothing. Being m’ga’er the Russian immigrants who believe in another religion does not stop anti-semitism, and just makes a Fifth Column within Judaism, as the Lubavitcher Rebbe warned, over 30 years ago!
It’s all understood that this state and what it represents is one big Chillul Hashem
… need one say more!?!
R’ Shlomo Wolbe was sitting in a miklat in Be’er Yaakov at the beginning of the six day war and the Jordanian shells were landing close by. Amidst the commotion and shutter caused by the near hits, those sitting near R’ Wolbe heard him calmly saying to himself that he is willingly mekabel upon himself missah [to die] if through this would affect the bitul of the Chillul Hashem which is Tzionism
“What about the Chillul HaShem?
When a British member of academia says that their original support for the Jewish return to Zion was premised on their dream that through it would come about a new biblical covenant with the world and instead all that we got was this … sad secular state.
THAT’S CHILLUL HASHEM
When the Arab countries have said of all the reasons for their opposition to the state of Israel, the single most serious one is the degenerate morality that the state flaunts and foists on their region.
THAT’S CHILLUL HASHEM
ifti99
To use analogy from Animal Farm:
To sing the praises of the Israeli army for protecting the jewish people is akin to praising of hard snow (e.g. to build an igloo) for saving one from the cold
(cf. Chazon Ish told mr. Ben Gurion).
Plus, those who make this claim ignore the fact that there are scores of Hesder yeshivot, of very high standards, whose bachurim serve valiantly and proudly in eretz kodsheinu. The learning of those in KBY, Shaalvim, Otniel, etc. is just as precious to HKBH as those who learn in the Mir, etc.”
(plausibly, he would have referred to some chareidim as well)
To state the obvious elaborately
or
life as a chareidi/ yeshiva-kollel.
Who are the shirkers ?
IDF Most ‘Female Friendly’ Army in the World
Of all 18 year old females in Israel, the IDF Spokesperson said, 59% enlist in the IDF. Ninety two percent of all positions in the army are open to women (with only a few that require extraordinary physical strength off-limits). Women comprise 57% of the IDF’s officer corps among regular soldiers, and 28% of career officers. Of the top officer positions (lieutenant and higher) women comprised 15% of the total officers.
There was notable rise in the number of female soldiers who were on duty during the recent Pillar of Defense Operation, as compared to 2008’s Operation Cast Lead, the spokesperson said. More of those women have been serving in battlefield roles; over the past few years there has been a significant drop in the numbers of women assigned to secretarial and clerk roles, from 21% of all women serving in 2001 to just 13% in 2012.
The IDF Spokesperson’s Office released the numbers in time for International Women’s Day, to be commemorated on Friday.
Keren, (7/3/13)
female friendly? no way!
consider the crazily high abortion rate in this country before calling this “friendly.” How many Jewish children are killed every day because of what goes on in the IDF?In any case, if it’s really so friendly, how come so many secular females claim to be religious to get an exemption? Everyone knows they’re lying, but nobody gives a hoot. What hypocrisy!
Keren, (7/3/13)
To state elaborately the obvious
either 3 year draft and reserves (even with hesder)
or
life as a chareidi/with yeshiva-kollel.
Who are now the shirkers ?
Reporter’s Notebook: Lapid’s the tail. We’re the dog.
By LAHAV HARKOV
Yesh Atid privately updated reporters on coalition talks, and Yair Lapid denied it all on Facebook. Is this new politics?
Yesh Atid and Bayit Yehudi formed an alliance in coalition talks, and have been saying for weeks that they want to focus on “essential, meaningful” policy issues, not who gets which ministry. However, the clock is ticking and there’s a little over a week left for a government to be formed. It made sense that they’d get to the “dirty” stuff at this point, and that a party official would confirm it.
Why, then, did Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid publicly deny it all?
In the film Wag the Dog, reporters breathlessly cover a war between the US and Albania, using a heartbreaking clip of a sad and beautiful peasant girl.
The war is a ruse, manufactured by a political spin doctor portrayed by Robert DeNiro and a Hollywood producer played by Dustin Hoffman, in order to cover up a presidential .. scandal. The peasant girl is an American actress in front of a green screen.
“Why does a dog wag its tail? Because a dog is smarter than its tail. If the tail were smarter, the tail would wag the dog,” the movie’s tagline went.
We’ve been wagged.
On Wednesday night at a quarter to midnight, I got a call from a top Yesh Atid official. The kind of official that spends hours with Lapid each day. The kind that has been feeding me and countless other reporters ostensibly accurate information for months.
I repeated the information back to make sure I understood it correctly, and then tried to contact a Bayit Yehudi spokesman for confirmation, to no avail. I was left with a dilemma: The newspaper was going to print at any minute. Should I run with the story or ignore it? ..
An hour later, it was too late to stop the presses a second time when the same Yesh Atid source e-mailed me Lapid’s Facebook status on the issue.
“I saw the stories that Naftali Bennett and myself are giving an ultimatum to the prime minister on the issue of portfolios. It isn’t true, and it isn’t dignified. Netanyahu forms the government, and no one is giving him an ultimatum. This is a transparent attempt to distract from the real issues,” Lapid wrote.
Bennett also took to Facebook to deny the existence of a ultimatum, writing “there is nothing like that. We’re working hard to help the prime minister form a new government that will work for the people of Israel.” Dumbfounded would be the best word to describe my reaction. Was I crazy? Did I misunderstand the Yesh Atid source? A tweet from Ha’aretz reporter Jonathan Lis describing the same experience and calling Lapid’s party “pathetic,” confirmed my sanity, but didn’t calm my nerves.
It occurred to me that this is all semantics. Last week, Lapid took to Facebook to say he isn’t boycotting haredim; however, he does not want to sit in a government with Shas or UTJ. In this case, he wants his bloc to get the foreign and finance portfolios, or else, but he won’t use the word ultimatum.
The next morning, the Yesh Atid official confirmed as much, saying just because the parties are aligned and making demands, doesn’t mean it has to be called an ultimatum.
“So what you told me last night is correct?” I said, repeating the information she had given me 10 hours earlier.
The response was an emphatic yes.
So this is new politics: Not using loaded words, like ultimatum and boycott, but doing exactly what they entail, while covering it up by talking about values. Lapid played us all; the tail wagged the dog. At least now we know the rules of the game
iirc
( most likely you were unaware of this )
What about R’ Moshe Blau, chairman of Agudah in Palestine, who was mysteriously poisoned in 1946?
What about the Yid who threw himself in front of the British Foreign Secretary’s carriage in Warsaw, begging him to help him get to Palestine, as the Jewish Agency won’t let him in?
What about the fact that the Jewish Agency refused to give visas to frum jews until the British in 1933 forced them to give Agudah a pitiful 6%?
The British lay the groundwork for much of Israel’s justice system, built the Lod (now Ben Gurion) Airport, upgraded the road network, laid the foundation for the Hagana’s tactics (Orde Wingate), and built neighborhoods such as Rechavia…
Yes, I would prefer to go back to a British Mandate
Rabbi Yoel Schwartz was among those who founded the Nahal Hareidi (Netzach Yehuda) battalion, which opened the IDF to hareidi-religious soldiers by providing an environment suited to their religious lifestyle.
Now Rabbi Schwartz has issued a warning to the IDF: if army leaders do not keep their promises to hareidi soldiers, it will be impossible to enlist hareidi Jews.
[promised]
Hareidi communities live with separation of the genders, particularly among young single men and women. One thing hareidi rabbis have insisted on regarding hareidi units in the IDF is that the units remain for men only, and that the men be allowed to perform their duties without close interaction with female soldiers.
Religious Zionist soldiers and their rabbis complain about the same problem, exacerbated in recent years when separate units for Hesder religious Zionist soldiers were all
The religious-Zionist Hesder soldiers have also faced more conflict over their religious principles in recent years, due to the abolishing of most separate units for ‘Hesderniks’, as they are called, and feminist groups’ insistence on allowing girls to serve in any capacity – even out in the field where conditions make separation difficult
Pinhas, Yavneel Posted
In the early years of even Nahal Haredi, it was a unit mixed with non-religious soldiers and religious. Thats how it started. And the women came to the base to visit their bfs. I have friends, who served then, who used to be religious, at least they were before they went to the early Nahal Haredi. Lets be honest about religious soldiers, national religious soldiers with their grilfriends.
.. And if I’m not chareidi, I won’t comment on YWN ?!
Time to combat the pernicious lies (wrtten by the same bloggers ) once and for all.
The (Ashkenazi) chareidim have stood on principle while conversely the mizrachi have not had on which to stand.
[1] However, most of the National Union left the merger shortly after its implementation.
From its inception the NRP maintained an almost constant number of 12 members of the Israeli Knesset. In 1981 it shrank to 6 members. The reasons were diverse: An overall reduction in its natural voting population; the political moderation of many Orthodox Jews; its turn towards the right-wing; the growing importance of the right-left schism in Israeli politics; and the rise of Orthodox Sephardic parties such as Tami and later Shas.
The party was unique in that it participated in all the governments of Israel until 1992. During this period it was a centrist party, interested mainly in religious matters and impervious to the left-right divisions of the Israeli public. The longtime cooperation between the Israeli Labour Party and the NRP is sometimes referred to as the historic league (????? ?????????).
Main principles
The Fourth Knesset
The government collapsed when Ben-Gurion resigned on 31 January 1961, over a motion of no-confidence brought by Herut and the General Zionists concerning the Lavon Affair. After Ben-Gurion was unable to form a new government new elections were called. At only one year and nine months, the fourth Knesset is the shortest Knesset term to date.
The Seventh Knesset
Golda Meir of the Alignment formed the fifteenth government, a national unity government including Gahal, the National Religious Party, the Independent Liberals, Progress and Development and Cooperation and Brotherhood. There were 24 ministers.
Gahal resigned from the coalition on 6 August 1970 after the government had decided to adopt the Rogers Plan.
The seventh Knesset was one of the most stable, with only one new party created (and that itself was virtually a rename of an existing party) and four MKs changing parties.
The Eighth Knesset
Golda Meir of the Alignment formed the sixteenth government on 10 March 1974, including the National Religious Party and the Independent Liberals in her coalition, with 22 ministers. Meir resigned on 11 April 1974 after the Agranat Commission had published its interim report on the Yom Kippur War.
The government resigned on 22 December 1976, after ministers of the National Religious Party were sacked because the party had abstained from voting on a motion of no confidence, which had been brought by Agudat Yisrael over a breach of the Sabbath on an Israeli Air Force base.
The 15th Knesset
After winning the Prime Ministerial elections, Ehud Barak formed the 28th government of Israel on 6 July 1999. His coalition included One Israel, Shas, Meretz, Yisrael BaAliyah, the Centre Party, the National Religious Party and United Torah Judaism, and initially had 16 ministers, though the number later rose to 24. Avraham Burg was appointed as Speaker of the Knesset.
United Torah Judaism left the coalition in September 1999 after a breach of the Sabbath. The government finally collapsed on 10 December 2000 when Barak resigned in the face of the outbreak of the Second Intifada and the Israeli Arab riots of October. Barak called new elections for the position of Prime Minister, which he lost to Ariel Sharon.
The Sixteenth Knesset
Ariel Sharon formed the 30th government on 28 February 2003. His coalition initially included just Shinui and the National Union (Israel BaAliya had merged into Likud soon after the election), though the National Religious Party joined the government on 3 March.
National Indentured Service
“There are other things chareidim could do besides serving in the military. They can do Sherut Leumi instead. I believe serving in Magen David Adom qualifies for that – let more chareidim work in MDA, and “
As MK Eichler put it, they want the chareidim to be their “chotvei mayim” and “shoavei eitzim”
“Part of my wife’s chiloni cousins objections is that Chareidim live at home, are free to come and go”
If they are secular israeli ashkenazim, you need not respond. They know the truth better than you do. (As once when I had a store debate with a middle aged ponytail leftist type and I demolished his accusations, his reply was a positive grunt.)
At most demand of them: how is it when there is war, everyone is together and talk of yeshiva draft stops?
e.g. during the Yom Kippur war when some bochrim offered to join the army, they were told to go back and learn and daven for them.
If they are sephardim (or american olim) it is indeed hard. In their simplicity they are/were “robbed and killed” for a leadership whose end goals were diamentrically opposed to what they themselves gave their life and limb for.
An analogy would be Boxer in Orwell’s Animal Farm
“They need approval to leave their base. Make it the same for yeshivos. Any bochur who wants to leave the doors/compound of the yeshiva needs to have a stamped ishur, and these must be strictly controlled.”
And maybe dog tags too.
When they wanted to make punch cards for the rabbeim in Torah V’Daas, R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky adamantly opposed and shot it down.
Sure. This would also further their invidious goals, reducing bnei torah to indentured auxiliary servitude.
“This is not true. I personally know the IDF most definitely has a manpower shortage “
Sunday, August 12th, 2012
The ratio vs. space available in the paratroopers brigade is 4:1,i.e. there are four guys applying for every possible combat position.
On the lower end,in the Tank Division there is 1:7 applicants for every possible combat spot.
The rest of the combat units are somewhere in between(with the IAF of course,even more selective)
As noted settler Lt. Col. Yishai Fleisher wrote a couple months ago, the greatest danger many members of the IDF ever face are the traffic circles in Tel Aviv.
Here’s from the inside
In Ariel Sharon’s still unpublished memoirs, there is correspondence between Sharon and Ben Gurion dated 1959. Sharon recommended that from a Military View it would be better to cut the draft to, say 4-6 months, then move all those soldiers to the reserves and send them home.
The budget should be spent more efficiently on professional career officers.
(This was from 1959!, more than half a century ago in a much more beleaguered Israel. This would obviate drafting women as women don’t serve in ‘miluim’)
“I meant to say since there isnt a Sanhedrin and wont be until Moshiach comes. How are you supposed to have a Torah Society? …
If you mean the latter, then until Moshiach comes, we have to take a more lenient approach, while allowing individuals to be as stringent as their opinions or those of their poskim tell the to be.”
Precisely.
An example would be even though the Ashkenazi poskim held that the concept that Ethiopians should be considered jews was weak, they held their peace when R’ Ovadia Yosef ruled otherwise.
Nevertheless, as Menachem Begin responded when there was a demand to ammend the Conversion Law, that conversion is Halacha which belongs to the realm of Poskim.
(Begin in his straightfowardness would pass over the heads of Mizrachi to discuss religious questions with the gedolim of the chareidi world.)
IDF Chief Rabbi Peretz Fires Back
(Thursday, January 5th, 2012)
Rabbi Levanon is joined by Rabbi Eliezer Melamed of Har Bracha and others.
Published: Sunday, February 10, 2013
Rabbi Eliezer Melamed
The writer is Head of Yeshivat Har Bracha and a prolific author on Jewish Law, whose works include the series on Jewish law “Pininei Halacha” and a popular weekly column “Revivim” in the Besheva newspaper. His books “The Laws of Prayer” “The Laws of Passover” and “Nation, Land, Army” are presently being translated into English.
The time has come to deal with the issue of the Jewish character of the State of Israel, and to regulate the fundamental principles underlying the status-quo in legislation, now that close to 40 MK’s are religiously observant.
Recently, calls for a review of the status-quo in regards to religious matters have been voiced. Indeed so! The time has come to deal with the issue of the Jewish character of the State of Israel, and to regulate the fundamental principles underlying the status-quo in legislation.
Judaism and Democracy
A committee of distinguished rabbis and legal representatives should be established to prepare a set of basic and ordinary laws, in order to legally regulate the Jewish character of the State of Israel.
The Individual and the Collective
p.s. Excerpt from Ruth Blau, convert to Judaism, in her autobiography. Trail to Truth.