About Time

These threads seems more like attempts to push off a dirge or an obituary for USA

In a few days will be July 4. Many still will go through motions of celebration. [ pumped up now more than ever,red, white and blue, by the media and all who, a half a generation ago,used to disdain the patriotic celebrations- but we digress]

But for tens of millions of goyim, in their heavy hearts they feel that the sun is setting

America was once ” the last,best hope on earth”

Wistfully,it had a nice run

Nevermore

Lest you claim as you will,this is a bit exaggerating

here’s a Dare:

Walk into a foreign embassy, serve them a couple of drinks to loosen them

Then just ask them

In a few days will be July 4. Of course, many will go the motions of celebrations. [ pumped up by the media and all who a half a generation used to disdain the patriotic celebrations- but we digress]

Morality is at the pinnacle of the Legal system, and referred to in criminal Law, left ,right and center.

Often perversely by the same crowd.

End-of-life is persuasively turned into: it’s immoral to let someone suffer or doctors ( or anyone)should be entitled to end a life.

Paradoxically, capital punishment ought to be prohibited because:it’s immoral for us to end any life, even a serial murderer

Abortion and even for some post-birth:what makes this fetus or infant a human?

Paradoxically robots or chimpanzees, however, should be given some human rights

“Legal systems are not merely systems of rules but also systems of principles..In order to arrive at adequate legislation it is necessary to stratify these principles and rank them by employing moral judgement.”

“A nation, as a society, forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society.”

Thomas Jefferson

Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force – that thoughts rule

Ralph Waldo Emerson

There a drift in values , things that would be unthinkable become the norm. In a recent article in Canadian Medical Association Journal, Tom Koch discussed the Polio epidemic in the 1950s. He noted how everyone scrambled to save every life. Gymnasiums were turned into wards and cots were lined up from wall to wall. Steel lung machines were made and people were kept alive in these big negative pressure boxes. It was an imperative to save as many lives as possible. Nobody considered the costs or the quality of life of the people that were saved. He laments that in todays society the polio victims would be counseled against seeking treatment and most would die.

Even this secular rationalization is inherently weak

The Declaration Of Indepedence was a document in that it appealed to Heaven for the right to rebel under the moral principles of the Creator

Otherwise

1.what gives them the right to rebel ,but you lack such a right?

2. what gave them the right to force the southern states to stay?

They referred constantly to the moral law based on the bible for their raison d’etre

Since it is all now about power, let cut through the pretenses and

abolish so called Law

Third,If consensual is supposedly the end all and be all

How come polygamy is illegal?

Somehow suddenly we “care about the greater society” whatever that means?!

The real answer is because ,whatever they might propagandize, the it will undermine them and their real evil goals by restoring a patriachal society

yayin yashan bkli chadash,

“In eretz yisrael, if you work you are considered a goy”

Things are rapidly a-changing

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Part of the present schism between Degel and Eitz ,is that Degel has been bringing ‘working charedim’/Charda”k into their rank and file.

This has prompted the reaction .Interestingly,a disproportionate percentage of Eitz supporters are anglos and americans and anglos

R’ Shmuel Berenbaum, had certain ideas about yeshivas and what a ben torah should be immersed in. R’ Shmuel said in a shmooze it’s bitul torah for a ben torah in yeshiva to be reading a newspaper “even one such as the yated”. R’ Moshe Tuvia Leiff, heard from R’ Shmuel, that if there would have been daf yomi in the days of the Yevanim, they would not have included it in the decree.

R’ Shmuel, further ,had a certain view of what should be learnt in a yeshiva. Some 35 years ago, a small group of talmidim and alumni formed a chaburah to learn the Rambam’s moreh nevuchim at night in the yeshiva’s ezras nashim. When R’ Shmuel found out about this, he told them they cannot do this in yeshiva and must learn this elsewhere. More recently, some 15 years ago, a fellow arrived in yeshiva and started a navi chaburah during night seder. Again when it came to R’ Shmuel’s attention, he briefly told him that it was not acceptable.

Rema711,

correct

The Kitzur ( chap.3) spells out the reason for wearing black.

White is more kabbalistic.

Rema711, while you’re at it if you would increase your background knowledge ,you may just possibly glean that everything stated by myself is impeccable.

p.s Are these just your ( and MDGs)attempts to avoid the main topic/s of the thread?

R’ Shmuel Berenbaum had certain ideas about yeshivas and what a ben torah should be immersed in. R’ Shmuel said in a shmooze it’s bitul torah for a ben torah in yeshiva to be reading a newspaper “even one such as the yated”. R’ Moshe Tuvia Leiff, heard from R’ Shmuel, that if there would have been daf yomi in the days of the Yevanim, they would not have included it in the decree.

R’ Shmuel, further,had a certain view of what should be learnt in a yeshiva. Some 35 years ago, a small group of talmidim and alumni formed a chaburah to learn the Rambam’s moreh nevuchim at night in the yeshiva’s ezras nashim. When R’ Shmuel found out about this, he told them they cannot do this in yeshiva and must learn this elsewhere. More recently, some 15 years ago, a fellow arrived in yeshiva and started a navi chaburah during night seder. Again when it came to R’ Shmuel’s attention, he briefly told him that it was not acceptable.

R’ Moshe Tuvia Leiff heard from R’ Shmuel Berenbaum, that if there would have been daf yomi in the days of the Yevanim, they would not have included it in the decree.

A more pressing query :Do the up and coming generation of Talmidei Chachomim appreciate the sacrifices the klal are making on their behalf & are they preparing to give back accordingly?

When R’ Yaakov Kamenetzky zt”l organized a knessia to encourage avreichim to go into chinuch, he chose to hold this gathering in the Mirrer Yeshiva. After R’ Yaakov finished his oration everyone waited for R’ Shmuel to speak knowing full well that R’ Shmuel encouraged his talmidim to stay in learning for countless years. What R’ Shmuel then said was powerfully intriguing. “When a person learns, he should not learn just for himself, he should learn for klal yisrael. If he is only able to stay in learning for a couple of years, he should learn with intention to give over to cheder age talmidim. If he is zoche to learn for several more years, he should keep in mind that he should be able to give over to mesivta level bochurim. And if he could learn even longer, he should prepare himself to be a rosh yeshiva. A person should always prepare to give over to the tzibbur .

“Divisons”

Divisions

Oh, dear. cherrypicking,eh?

It perhaps originated with one of famous journalists :B Murrow or Ernie Pyle but it’s largely irrelevant.

It or a variation of it were a common refrain

But Come On .

Such refrains were common in aristocratic Europe

Don’t you believe Lincoln did more the Union Cause than countless Corp.?

MDG ,

“I don’t read modox journals, “

If you’re using a quote,you ought to research those who actually have been the ones to throw it out whenever/however it seemeed to serve their [self adulation and] purposes

Probably you’ll find it on any old school modox blog if you desire,

or ask one of the coffeeroom modox for an honest answer

MDG

Goodness.

So the hundreds of times that was quoted in modox journals ,publications (,and more recently blogs)to buttress their lifestyle,have all been completely disingenuous ?

Can we wind back the clock a half century?

Pashuteh Yid

Even if you wish to be serious , these are exceptions that prove the rule!

typo

condenscension

The dayan was Rav A Sherman, who ironically was hitherto considered charda’l (and had previously spent a sabbatical at YU) but the moment he showed his sincerity and straight shooting ehrlichkeit his past was erased and he was ostracized as chareidi!

R o B,

Still spewing?!

Many of geirus Druckman supposedly administered,happened while he was abroad!

There is an interview on record,on which a a brand new “convert”

said right after the ceremony she had zero intent of observing judaism

zahavasdad

“If you blame WW II on the Nazis then Hitler could be at fault for 50 Million. In other words BOTH were bad and Stalin WAS an Anti-Semite, Ever hear of the doctors Plot for example?”

Therefore ?

A little information is more often worth less than being completely devoid of any.

Btw,Stalin’s first wife and son Yakovlev(whom he disliked)were jewish.

Kaganovich was one of the few close advisors who survived every purge.

Lady Thatcher, who died in April aged 87, has come under fire for her resistance to tougher penalties on the South Africa regime during the 1980s, and faced accusations it was a selfish move to protect Britain’s business interests.

But Mr de Klerk, who along with Nelson Mandela oversaw the transition to ANC rule, said Thatcher and then US president Ronald Reagan had “helped to buy essential time for South Africa”.

“It is a pity that the Conservative Party has subsequently apologised for Thatcher’s opposition to sanctions,” he added.

Writing in the Times, Mr de Klerk argues that the handing over of power to the African National Congress (ANC) in the 1980s would have resulted in fighting and “the imposition of a communist regime” by the party’s left wing.

“Margaret Thatcher understood this,” he wrote. “Although she was a consistent critic of apartheid, she had no illusions about the challenges that we faced.

“She doggedly resisted demands for more sanctions and always gave me and our negotiating partners strong support for the achievement of a genuine non-racial constitutional democracy,” he added.

“In all likelihood an ANC victory before the mid-1980s could have been achieved only after a devastating racial war and would not have resulted in a genuine constitutional democracy but in the imposition of a communist regime.”

“Churchill allied with Stalin”

Try again.

He allied himself with the victims of nazi aggression

This was his speech:

All this was no surprise to me. In fact I gave clear and precise warnings to Stalin of what was coming. I gave him warnings, as I have given warnings to others before. I can only hope that these warnings did not fall unheeded.

All we know at present is that the Russian people are defending their native soil and that their leaders have called upon them to resist to the utmost.

Hitler is a monster of wickedness, insatiable in his lust for blood and plunder. Not content with having all Europe under his heel or else terrorized into various forms of abject submission, he must now carry his work of butchery and desolation among the vast multitudes of Russia and of Asia. The terrible military machine which we and the rest of the civilized world so foolishly, so supinely, so insensately allowed the Nazi gangsters to build up year by year from almost nothing-this machine cannot stand idle, lest it rust or fall to pieces. It must be in continual motion, grinding up human lives and trampling down the homes and the rights of hundreds of millions of men.

Moreover, it must be fed not only with flesh but with oil. So now this bloodthirsty guttersnipe must launch his mechanized armies upon new fields of slaughter, pillage and devastation. Poor as are the Russian peasants, workmen and soldiers, he must steal from them their daily bread. He must devour their harvests. He must rob them of the oil which drives their ploughs and thus produce a famine without example in human history.

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The Nazi regime is indistinguishable from the worst features of Communism. It is devoid of all theme and principle except appetite and racial domination. It excels in all forms of human wickedness, in the efficiency of its cruelty and ferocious aggression. Noone has been a more consistent opponent of Communism than I have for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no words that I’ve spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding.

The past, with its crimes, its follies and its tragedies, flashes away. I see the Russian soldiers standing on the threshold of their native land, guarding the fields which their fathers have tilled from time immemorial. I see them guarding their homes; their mothers and wives pray, ah yes, for there are times when all pray for the safety of their loved ones, for the return of the breadwinner, of the champion, of their protectors.

“I see the 10,000 villages of Russia, where the means of existence was wrung so hardly from the soil, but where there are still primordial human joys, where maidens laugh and children play I see advancing upon all this, in hideous onslaught, the Nazi war machine, with its clanking, heel-clicking, dandified Prussian officers, its crafty expert agents, fresh from the cowing and tying down of a dozen countries..

Sadly, There are alot of gullible fools

Let this be for a lesson.

EVERYTHING that the world is making a big deal about is all to have that effect on masses(alot of you).It’s most or all of your MakeUp.

To the leaders sitting at the funeral,this is ‘poshut’ as day

All South Africans who regularly complain & whine about their crime rate and general downward spiral of their region,ought to give pause as to the catalyst.

That the USSR,The Big Capitalists, and local marxists (guess ,of course,which background),were his strongest support imply something positive about Apartheid

(Who made the myth that Capitalists and Communists are enemies?)

Up until he became president he was a communist supported terrorist committed to the one cause of breaking apartheid.

Without the bigger forces,he would have been worth Zero.

Maybe a footnote in some text.

After he became president his job was reconciliation and governing South Africa in order for it not to become the next failed african nation like Zimbabwe or Congo.

And he was mediocre at it.

imagine a man who took a country from food self sufficiency and brought starvation to the masses. imagine a man who took safe streets and turned them into crime ridden jungles. and you will have a portrait of mandela AFTER his big reformation .

Every female who ever put on makeup,etc.,

touched her hair,etc.,

wished to be the center of someone’s attraction

Call it what you will

..Here comes the denials

Yussel:His whole methodology was questionable.

His Yir’a and lack of agendae allowed us to hold our peace.

Ask those who know a thing or two

(I refrained from saying at first ,but you forced my hand)

Ferd

Your comments are as funny as your name 🙂

Rav Shachter (a family friend) can hardly be regarded as representative of YU

Yungerman from Lakewood hit the nail on it’s head

(hmm,did YU skip Divrei Hesped for R’ Elyashiv

..seems there’s an agenda)

R’ Ovadia zt”l if there’s a comparison to be made has been more publicized by far due to:

1.the media wants to imply Rabbi is must be someone only if useful for the benighted masses

2.the media(,internet included,who fought and hated him till this week)wish to turn him into something so big,

that now if anyone so chooses to challenge much of his manifold leniencies ,will be shouted down by

those same masses

2.As a slight to others whose influence penetrated differently but heavier

From An Ashkenazi who tore his shirt on the news of the Petirah