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From what I understand it’s mutar at least according to ?????? to learn Zohar and its actually encouraged just ???? ??????? you have to be ???? for because he writes in a way that’s hard to understand and you could be ???? it. I heard a story that the ????? had ?????? ? why the ?????? explains the ?????? ????? ?????? with ????? from ?????? which could lead a person to think he understands Hashem with his mind and the ?????? told the ????? that he’s right and if he would live longer he would teach differently not ?? ??? ????. so because of that ?????? don’t learn ???? ?????? unless their ???? and are able ??????? ?????? ?????????.
What’s your point from that ???? obviously it’s a ????? not ?????? ???
Regarding ?????? ????? if you’re familiar with ??? terminology ????? doesn’t always mean Hashem himself many times it could refer to ????? ??? ??? ???. it’s ???????? to explain that statement as referring to hashem himself as hashem is not ???? ??? ???.
??? to say that ?? ?????? or any ??? would speak poetically that’s ??? ???????? every statement in Shas is one hundred percent true and ????? didn’t exaggerate or speak poetically. Not everyone is on that level and there is another opinion, but ?? ?????? meant what he said. (Obviously the whole discussion in the ??? has nothing to do with college.)
Menachem sorry I made a mistake its the sicha of Purim ???? in the foot note at the end ??? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????????? ????? ???? ??? ????
Menachem “this change was all ready brought by the rebbe Rayatz……in his later years”
look at ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? to see what was the ???? of the Rayatz towards the state of Israel in his later yearsI was thinking about previous stuff that I wrote where I spoke disrespectfully about the Lubavitcher rebbe and I realized that I made a mistake although the Lubavitcher Rebbe is not ????? ???? and it’s against the Torah to think that he is and although he made other various mistakes he was still a ???? and he did many good things and even though many ?????? were against different stuff that he did but they generally didn’t come out against him personally because they recognized that he was a ???? so I want to apologize to Lubavitcher Chassidim for not referring to the Lubavitcher Rebbe with proper respect
@any i mentioned before that your “rebbe” said that ????? ?????? allredy started and you said i’m misquoting him and he never said that i don’t know when I listened to the recording of his ???? I heard him saying that ????? ????? started and in the written shicha it Olso says that any one could look it up or hear the recording so I don’t know why you say that I’m misquoting him
???? ???? is not the same thing as ???? ????? ???? or ???? ????? the latter means absolutely nothing halachicly its just a term used out of respect for a big ???? who you feel might be cwalefid for the job if Hashem decides to bring ???? in his generation.???? ???? however is a halachic term for someone who has the ?????? of the rambam including being a king in ??? and having the majority of yiden ander his control and successfully enforcing all the ???? and all this without any one being Abel to stop him and if someone is ????? ???? then as far as we are concerned he is the ???? ??? the only difference between him and ???? ???? is that the latter’s ???? can’t be ???? ever and someone who is just ???? ???? his ???? could be ???? however until proven wrong he is halachicly ????. When it talks about someone’s ???? being proven wrong if he dies or he fails it’s talking about someone who was ????? ????which is the same thing as the ???? ???.in the ??? ???? ???? ??? from ?? ???? ?????? against ????? ??? ???? he writes that ??? can’t be ????? ???? because he is in jail and the true ????’s ????? can’t fail even ??? ???. We know also that ?? ????? lost his ???? ???? even according to ??? when he was killed
@qwerty the Lubavitcher Rebbe said that his father in law was a ???? because he predicted the future many times and then he said that the ????? continues to the next generation thruw ???????? ????of his father in law and that his father in law attested that ???????? ???? is a ???? which means that you don’t have to test him and ask for signs and than he said that the main ????? of this generation is that moshiach is coming ?????? ???? and ??????? which means very soon and then he said that it’s a ???? to poblicize to everyone both yidden and ????? that “there is a person in our generation who is ??? ???? greater the rest of the generation who is a ???? and gives directions for every detail in a person’s life and everyone has to listen to everything he says because it’s not a advice but a comand and a ????? and it’s especially important to spread the main ????? that the ????? is coming ?????? ??? sounds a bit crazy but that’s what he said word for word.the source is the sicha of ???? ?????? ?????
@any there can only be one person who is ????? ????
@any in any case this whole topic wether when someone who was ????? ???? dies he loses his ???? or not is irrelevant because you’re rebbe was never ????? ???? to begin with so before we discuss wether dieng is ???? the ???? first prove that your rebbe ever had a ????
@any potato your ???? ??? did not say the same thing as ??? ?? ???? he said he is ????? ???? even though he doesn’t have the ?????? l??? ??? ???? didn’t say ?? ???? was ????? ????. l???? could come from the dead just that if someone with a ???? ???? dies he loses his ???? because he wasn’t socsesfull in bringing the ?????. Your right that ???? ???? doesn’t include bringing the ????? but it dos include being anointed by Hashem as the ???? ????? and if he fails to be the ???? ????? then he loses that status and when someone was proclaimed ????? ???? and he announces that he will redeem the Yiddin and then he dies to say he will come back and accomplish it means to believe in a “second coming “ by the way yoshke also didn’t acomplish ????? ?????? nor did he restore the ????? ????? to its former stature nor did he try to so “first coming” simply means to consider yourself ???? and anointed by Hashem for the job. ??? ??? the whole thing is irrelevant because your rebbe said that he already started ????? ?????? in the sicah of ??? ??? ????? and there’s a recording of it he also said that 770 is the ??? ????? that ???? has to build or renevate in order to be ???? ????? so even according to what you’re saying his soposed ?????? would be ???? because he did say he started the ????? itself which even according to your resening that would be called a second coming
@avira I thought you followed the satmar Shita that’s not the shita of satmar the shita of satmar is that every second in the idf is ???? ??? ????? so it’s irrelevant if their is a ???? or not. In addition the satmar rebbe held that if they give up the government there won’t be a danger. the words “we need a army” and saying that it’s ok for them to be ????? for yidden by serving in the army because we have no choice is against the shita of satmar
@cs look at my full post first before attacking I did say that every yid was once ???? in ?????. I just explained that once it comes to this world the neshomoh is not ???? any more not even the neshomoh of a ????.
To cs the Tanya doesn’t mean part of Hashem himself it means a part of ?????? as it itself explaines.other Sforim both ???? and others do go further and say that ????? every ???? comes from hashem himself meaning that it was once ???? completely in hashem but once it comes down to this world in a body it’s not ???? in hashem anymore at the most it could reatain the level of ?????? if he’s a ???? ???? as it explaines in ???? and could even be ???? in ??? ??? ??? but under no circumstance can it be ???? in hashem himself because hashem can’t be ????? in a body or in anything ?????? because that would have an affect on hashem and hashem can’t change. By the way if you look in ???? ??? ?? he brings from the ?????? that hashem is not even ????? in ??????? not even in ???? ??????? hashems only ????? in the highest level of ??? ??? ??? when it’s still “in him” before it comes out to “shine” on the world. So if the Lubavitcher really meant that only ??? ??? ??? is ????? in his ??? that would be one thing however if he meant hashem ??? the way some Lubavitchers explain and when they pray they have in mind hashem the way hes ????? in mm”s than that’s ????? and ???. Sometimes ????? say ????? but it really means ??? ??? ??? as those ????? usualy explain.
I have a question for all the Lubavitchers do you believe that Hashem is still ????? in your rebbes body after death because that would be ???? ??????? ??? if hashem is ???? ?????? in a body that body can’t be dead ??? from a ???? that when it’s ????? in the body the body has to be alive ??? the ?? ????? himself if he’s ???? ????? in a body that body has to be alive
The ??? in ???? ?? ??? says ?????? that once someone becomes ????? ???? he can’t die it’s not one ????? it’s a ??? ???? which means that that’s the ????. The ???? in his ??????? brings this ??? I’ll quote word for word ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???
To Menachem maybe you can explain how that ??? ????? fits with the ??? ?????? that hashem is not a ?? in a body and is not ????? in a body the way a ???? is ????? ?????? ????
@sechel if you learned the ?????? than please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your rebbe was ????? ???? which of the ?????? of the ????? does he have. And if you want to say that the ???? could continue after death then that means that theirs at least hondred of thousands of true ?????? ???? ??? for him to “compete” with how is he any closer than them ?????? to being ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???? and being? ???? ?????? ???and to being a ???? ?? ??????
To Sechel. There is absolutely no place in Yiddishkeit to say the Hashem is ????? ???? it’s one of the ??? ??? ?????. If it appears to you that it has a place in ???? then that’s exactly why regular people shouldn’t be learning ????. Obviously ???? and ?????? don’t contradict ????? ????? and if it appears that it does then obviously you didn’t understand it properly. Let me quote to you from ???? ????? which discuss this topic ???? ??? ????? ?? ???.l ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??????? Now let me quote from ??? ??????? from the ??? ?? ???. ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???. So we see clearly that this has no place in ???? or ?????? l ????? in ???? ???? it says ?????? that you can’t say that.
The Lubavitcher is a ???? ??? is because he doesn’t have any of the ????? ???? brought down in rambam in edition if someone who was ????? ???? dies he looses his ???? and is definitely not ????. This doesn’t have anything to do with ??? ?? ???? or ????? because no one said their ????? ???? all the??? said was that their ???? ????? ???? ????? if the??? will be ???? so it doesn’t matter if they have the ?????? of ???? or not and it doesn’t matter if they passed away because they were never ???? to begin with.
I want to explain why the Lubavitcher can’t be moshiach and to answer some questions Lubavitchers asked earlier. someone asked what’s the problem to say he’s moshiach if in the ??? we find that ??????? darshined ?????? about ???? to be talking about their rebbes The difference is that they Said that their rebbe was the ???? ????? that if the ??? would be ???? then their rebbe will become ???? Chabad however says their “rebbe” is already ????? ??? ????? and that’s ???????? because he doesn’t have the ?????? of ???? as brought down in the rambam. Another thing is that even someone who was ????? ???? the ????? says that if he fails at one point his ???? is ???? ?????? and we know for certain that he’s not ????. the “rebbe” failed obviously to bring the ????? because he is dead if that doesn’t count for ??? ?????? then what does. And the ????? also said in his ??????? that you can’t say ???? came and then died. This that their is a ??? that says ???? could come from the dead and it could be ????? is not a ????? ??? because it’s not talking about a “second coming” rather a ?first coming? and it’s not saying that ????? is ????? ???? and will come back to finish the job it’s just Saying that all tough he doesn’t fit the ?????? for ???? and he wasn’t yet crowned and as of now he is not ???? but if the ??? is ???? he is one of the potential people who could become ????