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dont get it, the Torah DOES limit us!
We must believe only what the torah Tells us. this is limitations.
However these limitations have been set by Hashem the Creator.
could be that you were dreaming last night, and you only posted in your dream.
or maybe you are now in your dream, therefore you do not see all the posts..
that does not make any scents!
it prepares them for life.. (gimme a break!)
mods come in male and female?
since today’s economy is different from what there was in the olden days.
Everyone who is starting to build a family, should start putting away money for when they need it. we call it a savings account.
OK, so I guess that this discussion (Hatzola) has reached its final point.
From here on only post if you have something negative to mention the more personal you get, the better!
time to move on..
Free your mind from what? Torah?!
Why does this have to boil down to personal insults?
I thought we are debating/discussing the subject why all the bashing?
I dont know about Health’s medical degree, however he does have a point.
As of now I am an EMT studying paramedic.
Medics have to act on their own not follow orders. (not referring to medical control only to the actual scene and treatment plan).
I think the health wrote it for those that claim to be educated in childbirth.
Although, I think that the entire Megillah could be very much simplified.
Childbirth (less the complications) Is a very uncomplicated procedure. It gets complicated only when something goes wrong.
Just one thing, most medical books especially those that focus on biology or anatomy and physiology. Make sure to sprinkle some atheism that’s how they answer some of the why questions.
You are right, there is a lot of nefloas habore to learn in the medical world although I am less advanced (medic) but I learned a lot.
Good points. However why make a blanket statement.
Most people I know live very modest lives with no expensive vacations.
Some rabbonim especially chasidishe claim that there is a tomeih spirit on a photograph.
Don’t ask me why there are so many publications with photos it’s only content.
Once heard this, rather have one small fight than a never ending fight.
This sounds like an unhealthy relationship. Put a stop on the unhealthy part or else you will pay for this in a hard way. Even if this means that this person will temporarily upset in the long run it will pay off.
Lightly scented
I thing that it really depends on your family and community minhag.
In the surrounding that I grew up, it was unacceptable to eat together with unrelated teenager girls.
Nothing with the girls, only because Hashem incorporated temptations into nature and we gotta deal with it.
Could be it’s not true, however there lots of other things that demonstrate nefloas haborah. Especially in medical books.
As a pre hospital medical provider I cannot recall such a thing.
The Rambam also discusses this in moreh nevuchim.
He writes a bit different then in hitches teshuva.
However the way I get it, it is something the Humans cannot grasp. It’s like explaining to someone a color that they never saw. It’s a concept impossible for us to comprehend.
Why go to Isreal if you cannot afford it?
Talk to someone who knows both of you.
Sounds likes she is jealous of you.
Best thing would be to be open to her. Nothing much to loose and lots to gain.
Just mine 2scents
Health, i never disagreed with you.
I was just stating the facts, not if it’s the right thing to do or not.
And for the record, I am not in hatzalah. However I did work in the 911 ambulance corps and attended to OB calls.
Rabbi Avigdor miller focused a lot on these thoughts. He has detailed a lot of similar happy accidents (mutations) that enabled these great things.
Don’t get the joke.
That’s the thing, they will go on talk shows and make it into the non Jewish paper however they will not consult with the rabbonim in charge.
There is a reason why hatzalah has rabbonim on board.
Yungerman,
it is very simple. they dont care about the Rabonim and the Torah.
There is a different agenda at play here. that is the reason they did not even consider consulting with the Vaad Rabonim of Hatzalah or any coordinators.
Health,
dont get so worked up. I was referring to a fact, not an i deal.
up until recently Birth, has been considered a pure BLS call. however now it is an ALS call.
the reason for that is because most people that call 911 for a birth are people with minimum prenatal care.
however in the Orthodox community people call Hatzala NOT because they are not informed or did not go to a doctor. only because they waited till the last minute.
is it the right thing to do? no! but thats what they do.
the reason there are more deliveries with Hatzala as with EMS.
is simply because we have more children, meaning that a mother of five or six, will wait till the last minute (washing laundry and dishes) as opposed to a non Jewish family of one and a half.. (including the pet)
I spoke with a few Hatzala Medics.
they claim that it wont work.
A) there is no Halacha problem for a male to deliver a baby.
B) given the intensity and drama of the situation, there is no Hashkafa problem.
C) for the same reason, there are no uncomfortable feelings WHILE the delivery.
now, below are the reasons why it is wrong to have females in hatzala.
A) there will be minling (as is with New Square hatzala a halachic situtaion they have to deal with)
B) the medics and female assistants will be forced to work together in a team.
C) there is the issue of yichud (during the transport and on the way back).
D) as much as ladies will feel uncomfortable that a male member participated in the delivery, ladies will feel more uncomfortable with a female, especially if they are somewhat acquainted and will meet in the future.
yes, it is an embarrassing situation, as is with many other medical emergencies.
i dont know, but reading this thread just gets me dizzy!
One Reason on why Women are not permitted into Hatzolah is because although a female patient might feel uncomfortable when the emergency medical provider is a male.
however having a woman on the rescue team brings a lot of problems for the male members on the team. which includes problems like yichud. or problems of mingling.
this is something which the New Square Hatzolah must deal with and are having ‘problems’ with.
The rabonim and the coordinators know about this. and therefore will not permit Hatzolah to become a mixed organization.
First, I think that it takes a lot of courage to come out and admit that the assumption was wrong.
so lets all applaud 42 for that.
next, lets move on, what has been done has been done. the best way to clean this would be by not discussing this.
On one hand I think that it is very wrong to go schnorring at Weddings or even in a shull. But on the other hand these are people (at least some of them) that really need this money (dont know if you can call these few cents money) just to survive!
Silly, why should someone say the 4 letter word. I never got it. maybe cuz it looks like the ‘thing’ to say.
I dont think that we should change anything.
Rather lets ALL beg AYC for forgiveness and just move on!
Time will heal.
Thank you 42. I like mine.
I always tell my friends when they start talking about how they can use my service/products, lets not mix friendship with business.
And I really mean it.
One easy way, start making weekly rounds at Memorial Hospital. that should do it.
I see them as hippies that dont have a job!
I think that Jothar once mentioned that he knows Joseph personally.
I dont even know what the debate is all about. dont you really think that there are bad people out there?!
dont you really think that the bad people are able to access this site??
I read more than I post. I observe a lot as well. I can create a nice profile on a lot of posters.
I still go with Cain.
A) what makes him inexperienced? because he didnt run for office yet? he has the expertise in the field that we need the most which is JOBS.
B) I dont follow politcs so much, so I dont know what you mean that Cain is a fool. I do know that he holds some degrees, and that is straight forward.
Yes you should, since it IS a lack of self control.
Besides, you might have to be Mater Neder.
its aint over till its over.
I still favor Cain.
First, I gather from your post that you are not a young person, as you have adopted and married off the child.
which means that there are treatments that are now available which were not available when you were seeking help.
Second, you have a tremendous zechus, actually its a never ending chain of zechusim, as the child is who she is because of what you put in to her.
Third, if anyone thinks about adopting, it should be discussed with a ruv or someone capable of understanding the situation.
there are a few sad situations which I know that the child never knew that they were adopted, the results were disastrous.
what infectious effect has there been?
What would you like to gain from Shmearing the mods?
is the only way that I can know what the discussion is all about, that I read ALL the posts?
Can someone fill me in? What does Kletzky and some poster have to do with this entire controversy?
why surprise him?
you should know what makes him happy, and give it to him!
Correct, who in the world cares. just move on!
dont get your point about the decorations, if the hair thing is avoda zara, then it is assur, if it is not then it is muttar.
nothing to do with something else. two wrongs dont make one right..