Also, make sure that its a real abuse and not a legitimate call. Calls happen all the time at any place.

Further more, if the member has parked illegally, and does not have authorization to do so. Hatzoloh ,ought not act. Since the member really as no privileges and is only hoping that an officer will not ticket him.

Similar to EMT plates, which anyone with EMT license can easily obtain. It might help against getting a ticket, and some people even take the risk. So I don’t think that it’s hatzolohs business what risks this member takes.

Please, lets debate and discuss things in a pleasant and mature matter.

Health,

Please be kind enough to point out where he was lying.

I will try to answer as to why he is defending them, since they are an organization with the objective of serving the community and the individual in a time of need. so when some poster decides to ridicule the organization with a bunch of non sense, he stands up against that poster.

or, maybe he or someone he knows was on the receiving end of the organization and saw first hand how they operate, therefore he found it his business to stand up against them.

Now I will ask you the question you asked him, why are you standing up AGAINST Hatzoloh?

BPM,

I really hate going into such silly arguments, I called it bash since there wasnt much substance to your criticism.

I do not know what is going on in BP or the exact legality of parking at a no parking when not on call.

However in our organization I know of at least one incident in which a member has had his placard taken away because he used it to park each day at a water hydrant. He was warned that parking there is at his own risk and if he wants to park there he should remove the placard from the window since it puts the organization in a bad light.

Just this Friday as I went shopping, I saw a fire chief parking his car at a No Parking and went shopping. I would never really notice something like that, however it seems that other Emergency responders take advantage of the fact that they will not get ticketed. (and in one way free up another legal parking spot).

I am sorry if I hit a wrong nerve, you jumped on one word that I used, however the you dismissed the content. Therefore I will repeat it, Yes we are scrutinized all the time, we constantly get disciplined and questioned for everything we did. We are a serious organization with serious and mentchliche people.

I was not hired or gain anything by defending Hatzolah, I just get bothered when people state things that are not accurate.

TORAHPSYCH,

Your right, everyone should ask theor LOC, however according to what I remember, putting raw meat right before shabbos is more accetable.

He found a loopwhole, he asked how one becomes a Mod, he did not request that he be one.

Cooking the chulent isn’t really my thing, however we stove cook it, but use a recipe from someone that uses a crockpot, so I dont thin that there should be any difference in the recipe.

Just a side note, I think that it is best to delay the meat until right before shabbos, that way the chulent has more of a meat taste.

BP Mench,

I dont know what your agenda is, however you are nit picking my post.

I answered on all of your questions yes and explained to you question number 5.

in other words, we do get disciplined for our actions, be it patient care, reckless driving or anything else, we get suspended as well.

We are under huge scrutiny, we know that. we get criticized for things we did not even do, or things that one irresponsible member does.

I have not been hired or gain anything by defending Haztoloh, however I can say this, Hatzoloh is a well organized and disciplined organization. Most of its volunteers are serious people.

The local police respect us,as they are aware that we are not just a bunch of guys with lights.

So yes, we are open for criticism just as any other organization is, but please dont bash us without knowing the facts, and especially if you got the ‘info’ over the internet by some anonymous poster with an agenda.

Please note, that I followed this thread very closely, I even at one point tried offering some advise until I realized that this is beyond my scope of practice.

However never ever did I think that you are a fluke or that you changed the facts.

I feel very sorry for you about what you and your family are going through.

I do wish you hatzlacha and that you should see a Yeshua Bkarov.

I dont get it, you might one day be on the receiving end. Why talk down to someone that has volunteered to help you and your community in the event that a medical emergency comes up?

Your welcome. But I think that the group home in question already has power BH.

Where is the Coffee room shelter?

I would say that yes, if the member uses his lights to get someone moving when not in an emergency this might be an abuse.

However sirens, if it is just a small hunk with the siren then I dont think that this is called using the siren.

Parking tickets that are received while on call are easy to fight. speeding and reckless driving tend to be more difficult.

They have to prove that they were on call.

I know of members that got speeding and reckless driving tickets while responding to calls that we’re not dismissed.

Ok, so to where should they go?

A couple of years ago, I was picking up a person in Brooklyn. The person had medical issues and was not really able to walk much.

as that person came out of the house, I pulled up close to the house. The person entered the car.

All of sudden a cop pulls up and parks right in front of me, the officer comes out and writes a ticket. I tried explaining that I was picking up someone that had difficulties walking, however the cop really did not care. just ignored me and finished writing the ticket. It was a double parking ticket!

This is so wonderful of you.

Loss of life is terrible thing, even without the suicide factor. It shows a lot that you are going out of your way fo make sure that this person gets a tikun.

TKYL

Yes sir. that is exactly what I claim, it is very common to respond to an emergency and a different volunteer to radio in that he is closer to the scene.

Especially when you claim that you have seen this over the years, which means that you have not seen it much, either way, a member has a lot to loose and little to gain when using his L&S in an unauthorized manner.

Health,

Interesting, you don’t know if abuse exists or if its rare yet you know that hatzoah is in denial.

TLKY,

Yes, all it takes for a radio transmission is a few seconds.

The world is not misleading, in fact we lived here a couple of thousand years knowing that there has been a creator.

All the theory’s that currently exist are were not born on any facts, Darwin started his theory based on wishful thinking.