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I do not think that this is true.
The more people you know, the less chances is that they will accept you, they dont like it when people get in because they are a macher, since its a threat to their authority and discipline.
BPM,
Initially I was under the impression that you have legitimate criticism against hatzoah, therefore I tried to answer them. I have responded to your questions only to have misused the word bashing which got you worked up.
Unless you don’t ask any serious questions I will not reply anymore.
BPM,
I really hate going into such silly arguments, I called it bash since there wasnt much substance to your criticism.
I do not know what is going on in BP or the exact legality of parking at a no parking when not on call.
However in our organization I know of at least one incident in which a member has had his placard taken away because he used it to park each day at a water hydrant. He was warned that parking there is at his own risk and if he wants to park there he should remove the placard from the window since it puts the organization in a bad light.
Just this Friday as I went shopping, I saw a fire chief parking his car at a No Parking and went shopping. I would never really notice something like that, however it seems that other Emergency responders take advantage of the fact that they will not get ticketed. (and in one way free up another legal parking spot).
I am sorry if I hit a wrong nerve, you jumped on one word that I used, however the you dismissed the content. Therefore I will repeat it, Yes we are scrutinized all the time, we constantly get disciplined and questioned for everything we did. We are a serious organization with serious and mentchliche people.
I was not hired or gain anything by defending Hatzolah, I just get bothered when people state things that are not accurate.
Yeah, lets call it the TROLL’er shull.
TORAHPSYCH,
Your right, everyone should ask theor LOC, however according to what I remember, putting raw meat right before shabbos is more accetable.
OK, so how was it?
He found a loopwhole, he asked how one becomes a Mod, he did not request that he be one.
Empty criticism such as “you will be shocked when you know what really goes on”, or “I know the truth”. is not real criticism and does not deserve any response.
Every person and ever organization should be open for critisim, however the criticizer must know what they are talking about.
Cooking the chulent isn’t really my thing, however we stove cook it, but use a recipe from someone that uses a crockpot, so I dont thin that there should be any difference in the recipe.
Just a side note, I think that it is best to delay the meat until right before shabbos, that way the chulent has more of a meat taste.
Health,
You previously stated that you were at one point an EMT and that you worked in the prehopital setting.
I do not know if you still do so or not. however it seems that you have an agenda here. As you have admitted that you do not really know whats going on, however you keep on stating that this is the “tip of the iceberg” and worse then your “wildest Dreams”.
Please get a life.
BP Mench,
I dont know what your agenda is, however you are nit picking my post.
I answered on all of your questions yes and explained to you question number 5.
in other words, we do get disciplined for our actions, be it patient care, reckless driving or anything else, we get suspended as well.
We are under huge scrutiny, we know that. we get criticized for things we did not even do, or things that one irresponsible member does.
I have not been hired or gain anything by defending Haztoloh, however I can say this, Hatzoloh is a well organized and disciplined organization. Most of its volunteers are serious people.
The local police respect us,as they are aware that we are not just a bunch of guys with lights.
So yes, we are open for criticism just as any other organization is, but please dont bash us without knowing the facts, and especially if you got the ‘info’ over the internet by some anonymous poster with an agenda.
MonseyFan,
I think that that he has a DOH placard which lets him park at No Parking signs.
Please note, that I followed this thread very closely, I even at one point tried offering some advise until I realized that this is beyond my scope of practice.
However never ever did I think that you are a fluke or that you changed the facts.
I feel very sorry for you about what you and your family are going through.
I do wish you hatzlacha and that you should see a Yeshua Bkarov.
BP Mench,
Answer to Question 1,2,3 and 4 is YES.
Number 5, I do not know the exact count, this is private information even members do not get briefed on this. however this happens often members get suspended and expelled all the time.
We have a very strong discipline and a lot of rules to which we must adhere.
Most of the members in our organization are serious and mentchliche people, not youngsters that want to feel important, we focus on Patient care and thats about it. We give away our personal time to transport patients to the facility that would serve the patient best, even if that means traveling long distance.
There will always be what to criticize and there always will be bad apples, however in the bigger picture we do a lot.
My point is, that you never know if you will one day be on the receiving end of Hatzoloh or not, each day a lot of people are and chances are that you or one of your family members will call us with an emergency. So why bash us? are we taking something away from you?
I dont get it, you might one day be on the receiving end. Why talk down to someone that has volunteered to help you and your community in the event that a medical emergency comes up?
I understand that driving reckless is a crime and dangerous. I personally know the member involved. He did not drive reckless or swerve.
The officer that pulled him over kept on making anti Semitic statements and repeated more then once that he will put a stop to these Jewish cars with lights.
The member pleadeted with the officer to follow him to the scene (it was an MVA) or contact his dispatcher the offic refused.
The officer wrote 6 citations. Most we’re thrown out.
Your welcome. But I think that the group home in question already has power BH.
I did try to ask a few people.
This past hour more neighborhoods got their power restored so there should be more generators available.
Did you try asking misaskim?
I know that they had generators on standby for Satmar Chasuna hall.
Also, the fountainview had a generator on standby. Since the storm is over try inquiring where those generators are now.
Where is the Coffee room shelter?
Can anyone detail why there is a shortage.
is it because some stations do not have power?
or maybe because the trucks were not able to deliver the gas during the hurricane?
I would say that yes, if the member uses his lights to get someone moving when not in an emergency this might be an abuse.
However sirens, if it is just a small hunk with the siren then I dont think that this is called using the siren.
I prove with proper documentation that I was responding to a call.
Also if the times match up, I can have the organization handle the parking ticket for me.
However a moving violation, even with L&S you are not allowed to drive recklessly.
There are members that have points on their license only cuz a cop wanted to teach those jews with lights a lesson..
Parking tickets that are received while on call are easy to fight. speeding and reckless driving tend to be more difficult.
Yeah, most business work on the Internet. Huge damage!
They have to prove that they were on call.
I know of members that got speeding and reckless driving tickets while responding to calls that we’re not dismissed.
No, I paid for it. I was not a volunteer at that time. Besides I cannot see how volunteering would work as an argument.
Ok, so to where should they go?
Btw, since my last post. I turned on L&S twice for about 30 seconds before shutting it. On both occasions I was not needed at the scene anymore.
A couple of years ago, I was picking up a person in Brooklyn. The person had medical issues and was not really able to walk much.
as that person came out of the house, I pulled up close to the house. The person entered the car.
All of sudden a cop pulls up and parks right in front of me, the officer comes out and writes a ticket. I tried explaining that I was picking up someone that had difficulties walking, however the cop really did not care. just ignored me and finished writing the ticket. It was a double parking ticket!
As of now our business is not closed, so its work as usual. Should there be any change in the weather we will all rush home!
This is the time that I am happy to drive this monster gas guzzling 4×4 SUV. Lets see if all the money spent on gas was worth it!
This is so wonderful of you.
Loss of life is terrible thing, even without the suicide factor. It shows a lot that you are going out of your way fo make sure that this person gets a tikun.
Health,
Why is it that you, one that on a consistent bases covers up what your occupation is (however uses is to put others down) keeps on asking me what mine is.
What matter does it make where I volunteer?
Either way, I have not twisted your post (I will comment that you have3 constantly done so to my posts, besides trying to put me down, however I ignored it, since I thought that it makes you feel better).
You comment and rant as if your in the know, However in the are that I am, there is no abuse.
(when I say no, I dont mean absolute, rather that it does not occur often, rather it is extremely rare).
TKYL
Yes sir. that is exactly what I claim, it is very common to respond to an emergency and a different volunteer to radio in that he is closer to the scene.
Especially when you claim that you have seen this over the years, which means that you have not seen it much, either way, a member has a lot to loose and little to gain when using his L&S in an unauthorized manner.
We both know..
As I told you, this past week this happened to me three times.
So we do not both know. You are assuming, I’m giving you the facts.
Health,
Interesting, you don’t know if abuse exists or if its rare yet you know that hatzoah is in denial.
TLKY,
Yes, all it takes for a radio transmission is a few seconds.
Health,
If you feel that you have to come out on top, then be it.
However I was not trying to debate or challenge you.
I did mention in one of my prior posts that abuse might be present, only that it is not common.
I never denied abuse. Only that it is extremely rare.
and yes, I am a volunteer, in the past week I have shut off the L&S three times, I went wrong way and even went through red lights before shutting the L&S.
Either the call was canceled or there were closer responder’s and I was no longer needed. Sorry if that made you mad.
Mods? editors? anyone here available to give us some insight??
The world is not misleading, in fact we lived here a couple of thousand years knowing that there has been a creator.
All the theory’s that currently exist are were not born on any facts, Darwin started his theory based on wishful thinking.
Health,
Interesting that you should be asking a personal question after hiding your medical occupation and degree.
i will not hide the fact that there are bad people, however the majority of people that volunteer are responsible.
Recently there was a call a possible code 1, someone responded, however a few seconds seconds later other units that were closer radio’d that they are near by, therefore the first member can cancel, he passed two red lights before getting the cancelation notice.
i am sure that there were people that were mad at this person, however the fact of the matter was that he did act accordingly.
I am not hiding the fact there is abuse, however keep in mind that its a normal thing for members to get canceled or the call gets downgraded.
agent,
Three things come to my mind.
Either that person was not a member, just someone with lights and sirens that took unreasonable and dangerous risk and broke the law.
Either the call has been canceled or downgraded, (for instance as the first person the scene radios to the other units responding that they can downgrade it and proceed without lights and sirens.
Or, this was a bad apple, someone that misused and abused his L&S.
There is no real way of knowing what really happened. I know that it looks upsetting when you see someone turning on his L&S only to shut it a few minutes later, however there might be a legitimate reason as to why he did so.
When men and women get together, usually there is laughing with direct eye contact, this is against halacha.
Someone once asked Harav Avigdor Miller, “what about the Dinosaurs?” to which he responded, “and what about them?”.
He claimed that he does not know if they existed or not. They do not prove or disprove any theory regarding Creation.
There are no perks.
They are not allowed to use L&S when not on call.
The OP is referring to VAS plates, sometimes cops will look the other way if someone has VAS or EMT plates, however these are not perks.
I cannot understand how people are jealous of volunteers who respond without prior notice, they give up their schedule to help the community.
Why would a man WANT to sit near an unrelated female?
Never mind, don’t answer that..
Health, I do not think that this using L&S for nothing is something that happens often.
Maybe in NJ where L&S is prohibited the members break the law and use. however in NY most members use the L&S responsible.
Harav Avigdor miller was once asked if mixed seating is permitted, He responded that only if its imidiate family. Otherwise there should be no mixed seating, when asked why, he said because of nature..
smartcookie,
just a correction, it shows a lack of secular education. Equal to those that show up at a minyan to say kadish and hardly manage to get it right..
Its plainly wrong to have young men staring at ladies especially when they are dancing.