I dont think that you can compare him with any other performer.

He has a following, he calls himself a Rav.

And besides, because he is a performer does not mean that he can be called out for doing something wrong.

fkelly, why should I keep it to myself, he is the one that is going public and is seeking our attention.

It is not me agreeing with him or not, however he is making a mockery our of yiddishkeit, he calls himself a rav and leads a congration, however in truth he is making a chillul hashem.

I agree that he went deep a long time ago, however there still were a lot of people that were buying the notion that he was doing it for the sake of making people happy.

But by now I think that normal people realize that this person is someone that will do anything just to get attention.

Maybe, but unlikely.

Since that would have been the factor of not providing CPR, she would have either mentioned it to the dispatcher, or she would have told that to someone.

This was not the reason she stated on why she refused to let the dispatcher talk to someone else.

Health, it does not make sense that she should be aware of the DNR, I believe that there are more than three residents living in the facility. what business is it for the nurse if the person has a DNR or not so that she should be aware of this.

I think that you are to say something that is far fetched.

The reason she gives the dispatcher for not handing over the phone to anyone else in the room is because they do not know how to do CPR.

Other than that she keeps on going in circles.

When asked if she cares about the PT, she states yes, when asked so dont you help the PT, she replies that this is why she is calling 911.

I have attended many codes in similar facilities. Never has any of the staff had any knowledge if the PT has a DNR or not.

Interesting, she did not mention this to the 911 operator, nor is this mentioned as a factor on why she did not start CPR.

She had a few other reasons for not doing CPR. none had anything to do with the PT having a DNR.

She did not mention that the PT had a DNR, and it was not present, that is why EMS did resuscitate.

If they had a DNR then it should have been present, no DNR present CPR should not be withheld.

In your case, your mother (or the people making her health care decisions) made the decision to have a DNR order.

in this case it was not appropriate to do CPR, however if there would not have been a DNR present, the nurse should not be the one making the call if it is appropriate or not.

daniela, I have been dispatched to codes quiet often, we cannot decide that it is not appropriate to work up the patient, there are rules in place. only if there is obvious death.

Otherwise we need permission from a doctor not to work up the patient.

Yes, the way she responded makes it evident that people were around, she did not reply that no one was around.

The reason this nurse refused others to do CPR was because THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO CPR! this is what she is heard being said on the recording.

Then she says that at this time there is no one that is willing to help, therefore she will not hand over the phone or let the dispatcher talk to anyone. Interesting how she knew this without even asking anyone

Please detail the times when CPR is inappropriate.

The only situations I know of are when a DNR is present.

and when death is obvious.

Otherwise how can you make a decision if it is appropriate or not?

This is not true, by joining she DOES Not automatically agree to a DNR, this has nothing to do with a living facility. This is only between the patient and her doctor.

By joining she probably agreed that the facility will not provide any medical assistance, same as most assisted living facilities.

The fact that the family was not upset means absolutely nothing, if you would attend geriatric emergency you will unfortunately find a lot of children that would be OK that their elderly parents die.

The way the nurse respond was ridiculous. She acknowledged the fact that this patient needs CPR in order to survive, however she refused to do CPR and she refused to hand over the phone or ask anyone else if they are willing to do CPR.

It did not seem like she really cared that someone is dying in front of her eyes.

realtalk,

Why not judge her, you cannot judge someone when they do something that only pertains to themselves.

However when someone does something like this, I cannot see how judging comes into play.