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Dooms,
You have a comprehension problem, your statements are just that, just because you state something that does not turn in to a fact.
Truth,
So your saying the burden of proof is to prove something thats made up does not exist?
Your making up facts and asking others to prove theybdo not exist?
The safety of vaccines has been extensively researched. Yes there has been some provider related injuries, rare allergic reactions.
Truth,
These are your own facts, facts are not statements.
I think you should rephrase your post with , it is my belief that…
Doom,
Your amazing, you have brought up the Geneva argument in the past, I responded to it, yet you make believe like no one said anything about it
So now, explain why it is in violation
This is not about learning the facts, unfortunately, these alternative thinking people are against medicine not because the facts indicate that medicine is in the wrong, in fact medicine is based on science. Only because this is their belief and people cling to beliefs even when logic and facts dictate otherwise.
This is the very reason why these posters start out to portray themselves as reasonable, some would say things like I myself vaccinate my children, but you just have to understand these people that have ‘concerns’ about vaccinations, you just have to realize that these people are better educated then you might think, in fact they are better educated than you, this is why they decided not to vaccinate, its about being in the know and educated, this is how they start off to come across as moderates and to validate the ‘alternative’ movement.
Yet once it is shown that the evidence is not on their ‘side’, they get exposed for being fundamentalists, they try to overload the thread with many garbage posts which have its only source in these radical anti-medicine blogs, they accept whatever is typed by these radical people as fact then expect everyone else to answer to them and prove them wrong. When they are proven wrong. they never apologize for the incorrect data they posted, even when it is in public, they just continue with more overload of garbage.
I think that by now it is very clear to most people why the average physician is not able to respond to these claims, it is not because they are not educated, they are. It is because they are not aware of all these MADE UP CLAIMS and Made up data, its not like there are two sides, its a few people that write something and when the doctor is not familiar with the nonsense and lies, they consider themselves ‘educated’.
Knowledge is power, that really depends if you have the right knowledge of the garbage nonsense that was posted on some radical anti-medicine blog, it is like reading novels and expecting everyone else to know about the events you read.
Doom,
“The only study I heard Anti-Vaxxers ask for is a RETROSPECTIVE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study.
Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.”A. There have been numerous studies, I myself have provided a few on the other thread, not sure why you fail to appreciate responses that are directed at your posts, (I guess because all you can do is just copy paste from some silly radical site). If you would actually care about facts, you would not just repeat the same questions time after time.
B. Please provide the source of these requests made by Congress to the CDC?
Is doom a bot that just posts what it was programmed to post without even acknowledging appropriate responses?
Doom,
Unfortunately for you, that is not what i stated, if this is a gotcha discussion then I’m out I am to old for that.
If you appreciate facts and evidence, we can have an informative discussion.
For our safety doctors cannot just decide to use their own judgement and expect to get away with it if there is an adverse outcome.
They will be scrutinized and if the treatment or non treatment was inappropriate the doctor can be accused of malpractice, which mean inappropriate practice.
Are you suggesting that we do away with malpractice? Is that because your alternative people do not have this concept and the ‘alternative providers’ cannot be held accountable?
Dooms,
“and there are DOCTORS who WITNESSED it! And those Doctors Know Vaccines are dangerous but
if they don’t continue vaccinating they will lose their license!”So are you accusing doctors of knowingly harming their patients? do you have a list of these doctors and what is the basis of these accusations??
It feels like a one-sided conversation, it is not like you are appreciating the responses you just continue to spew the nonsense that you have been taught on these anti-medicine radical sites.
Dooms,
“So if a doctor believes that vaccines do more harm then good because the Doctor saw with his/her own eyes children dropping dead or regressing into autism after vaccination, the Doctor MUST continue to vaccinate his patients anyway or he/she can be sued for Malpractice! So you are wrong again, Vaccinator. Doctors are NOT allowed to use their own judgment but must “FOLLOW ORDERS” – at least when it comes to Vaccination!”
You are incorrect, Doctors can practice as they see fit. However, if the patient has a negative outcome and the doctor did not follow recommended and prudent evidence-based and accepted treatment they will be at risk for a malpractice lawsuit.
Dooms,
“What exactly does this study prove?”
It appears that Health was referring to this study. JAMA 2275444
“Conclusions and Relevance In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.”
Does this answer your question?
Religious reasons for not vaccinating when the Gedolim have come out in WRITING advising that we should vaccinate seems a bit absurd unless the religious reason is not Judaism.
“I am PRO Polio and Measels! You vaxxers never stopped to analyze the benefits of not vaxing.”
Not sure if you have noticed, we just dont like to play along with your nonsensical approach, which means supporting your religion cult-like belief about vaccines.
unfortunately, I and others have analyzed the adverse outcomes of these viruses, either through individuals I know or by treating them in a clinical context.
It is people like you, who go for one-liners that are guilty of spreading lies and nonsense which results in pain and adverse outcomes for others. You should be made aware that the majority WRITTEN daas torah clearly labels people like you in a very bad way, you are guilty of scaring people and will have to give a din vcheshbon for causing them to go through so much pain and suffering.
margolioth,
You are making a whole bunch of claims.
A. vaccine-related injuries are under-reported because there is no ICD code for it, then it should have been zero. In fact, there are ICD codes for vaccine-related injuries.
B. Andrew Wakfields work has been proven to be fraudulent, seems like you prefer to rewrite the facts, (even Wakefield was not against vaccination at the time, only that his vaccine is safer).
C. Not sure where you take it that there is treatment done against parents consent. The rules of consent are pretty clear.
Dooms ,
I was waiting for you to bring up Judy A. Mikovits, She has only began siding with the anti vaccinators when she was sidelined for not acknowledging that her findings about the XMRV were proven to be incorrect in a blinded study which included her own lab.
She refused to acknowledge that and refused to give up material that did not belong to her, only later when she was sidelined and believed that all her partners are involved in a conspiracy did she join the anti vaccine movement.however, you fail to notice she is a big believer in vaccines, only that there was some contaminant at one point. All of this is unfounded and she has been discredited a long time ago, nonetheless, she does not advocate against vaccinations.
Dooms,
“I still have not heard an explanation on why CDC refuses to do a RETROSPECTIVE study comparing”.
the problem I personally have with this discussion is that most of the stuff you bring up have been addressed more than once on this thread, yet just ignore them and continue to copy paste the nonsense.
There are retrospective studies, here is one. PubMed 12523209, in fact, it is a very large one.
Here is another one, JAMA 2275444
I am not telling you to google something, nor am I copy-pasting from some radical websites.
Dooms, the answer is yes.
Dooms,
This is not the first time you wrote that I admitted to lying, i have not lied and for sure never admitted to such.
Your a despicable person for labeling me as a lier.
In fact, the many name callings exposes who you are, you are a troubled individual that has some sort belief about a conspiracy, complete disregard for proven science and accepts junk sites and garbage science.
Thruth,
Is it your opinion that the amount of emulsifiers in vaccines are considered ‘regular diet’?
Your implying that the amount contained in vaccines us dangerous, you link a study which does not imply the same.
So after all, its your personal opinion that the vaccines are unhealthy, is that not so?
DOOMs,
I will not have the time today to follow your guidebce and use some google search.
You have not provided any studies that link autism with vaccines. I have provided more than one study that clearly show there is no link.
I dont think we play by the same rules, you are hyper focused on calling people names and accusing people of behaviors, hope it makes you fell good.
Truthshudden,
I am waiting for the apology of you publicly posting something that vaccines cause cancer.
Thruth,
Thanks for posting the article, i hope that people will learn from this to lead a healthier life and avoid using soaps and ice creams on a regular basis as it can cause IBD which can possibly lead to cancer.
As is noted in the study, regular diet of emulsifiers increases the risks, now what point are you trying to prove?
No one said that preservatives are healthy, which is why people should avoid regular diets of preservatives.
Does this mean that being exposed once to a preservative increases the risk, not at all.
In fact, all the preservatives that are found in most food that we consume on a regular basis, contain preservatives and can be a good reason to the increase health problems.
So many foods, cosmetics and creams contain emulsifiers, some are even called ‘natural’.
In case no one realized, dooms makes a statement, because dooms stated so, it becomes fact. Which is the bases of the argument.
Accuses everyone of lying, but dismisses any response that actually explains why not only is it not a lie, but a complete miss understanding (probably deliberately) of what is actually the truth.
Dooms,
“However there are numerous accounts of parents whose child died and the doctors insist that the death was not caused by vaccines but was
a “coincidence”. These doctors are not reporting these deaths to VAERS ”And you know this as fact, or theory?
Dooms,
“2Scents – explain to my WHY CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study?”
There are many explanations why it is not ethical not to vaccinate a group of people just for the purpose of a study, however the data is pretty clear, See below. (of course you only accept made up and twisted data that supports your theory, not true data).
JAMA 2275444
Conclusions and Relevance: In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.
Dooms,
Why have you not acknowledged and apologized for the studies you have posted yet when some have shown you that the actual content and conclusions are contrary to what you have posted, you don’t acknowledge this.
This includes falsely posting about what is written on the MMR vaccine insert.
Is your strategy just to overwhelm people with lies and exhaust them?
Lastly, is there one thing that would convince you to drop the theory, or the conspiracy theory must stand at all costs?
Doomsday,
It is your theory that vaccines cause autism not genetics, so what would explain the autism detected in a child that had not received vaccines, since the rate of autism is the same.
Dooms,
“Folks, I gave FOUR Facts as evidence vaccines can cause autism and you need to read ALL FOUR to see my point. Daasyochid is being silly. Here are my Four Facts“
The efforts of you trying to prove the conspiracy has been noted and appreciated.
What is not appreciated, is you calling made up facts as evidence.
Your kinda come across as silly, seems like your conspiracy theory discussion has been exhausted, you chose to dismiss fact and accept fiction. You have no problem bogus claims and when called out on them, you just move on and do not even acknowledge that you either lied or just pasted someone elses garbage.
Extremely inappropriate Behavior.
DassYochid
“Do you honestly believe that this even vaguely resembles a proof?”
Thanks, i have been scratching my head trying to figure out what doomsday is trying to prove, other than having the same words in one sentence does not mean this is the meaning of the sentence.
Dooms has a very low criteria of accepting ‘facts’, yet for some reason has a preference which facts to accept, just happens to be the ones supporting the conspiracy theory of the anti vaccine religion.
Doomsday,
You need to prove the theory that MMR vaccine causes encephalitis.
You need to prove that encephalitis causes autism.
No theories please, will not respond to your theories.
For all I know, you are being paid billions of dollars by the alternative medical community, (you claim that most are free, that’s bogus and you know it, there is no such thing as a single visit, and you must buy their remedies, every ‘patient’ is a lifelong money making piggy bank).
Yet this is a theory and silly. So let’s focus on the facts (for a change).doomsday,
Again you imply there is a debate and that the CDC lied, there is no debate and not sure where lying comes into the picture, it is the facts that matter.
The fact is, there are multiple independent studies that clearly have proven there is no link between vaccines and autism.
There is no study that was able to link autism to vaccines, other than the now known fraudulent study by Andrew Wakefield.
The fact that parents who decided to blame the vaccines for their child’s diagnosis feel strongly about this, does not mean that this is the fact, the evidence clearly shows that this is not the case.
Anecdotally, there are families that stopped vaccinating after one or more of their children were diagnosed with autism, yet they had more children with autism. If this is not genetics, what else is it?
Among one of your comments you implied that vaccines do not really work, this is a ridiculous comment and if that were the case would be easy to study this.
– Almost all cases of measles in the current outbreak were among non-vaccinated people.
– The outbreak is focused in the Jewish community (viruses don’t discriminate).
– Vaccinated individuals (friends and care providers) have not gotten the virus.From doosday,
“DID YOU SEE THAT 2SCENTS SAID THAT SHE DOESN’T HAVE TO PROVE THAT CDC DOESN’T LIE???
BUT WE SHOULD TRUST CDC AND BLINDLY OBEY!!!”I haven’t had a chance to follow up on this thread for a short while, I do not recall saying something like that, if, like your other assertions you twisted this out of my words and are mispresenting what I stated, I am still around and would like to let you know that this is not what I meant, and probably never even wrote this.
Also, how would you know that I am a she (or a he)?
I believe that you are referring to the post that I explained to you that the comment you noted about the statistic of deaths in measles patients do not line up with what the CDC wrote. (as is this is a big deal).
What I wrote to you, is that I merely posted what is printed on the MMR insert, you probably never saw that insert only posted it from an anti-vaccine site, which probably leads to your pilpul about the CDC lying.
Clarity and facts are not your thing, I get it. However, the twisting and lomdus that you pull together only to justify the belief of yours, despite every single piece of garbage data you present gest shown to be inaccurate or mispresented do not impress the rest of us.
Why is it that all anti vaxxers write ridiculously long posts?
On a personal level, I can understand the notion of doing what you believe is right. However,
A. Dont spread false information, and by dumping large quantities of many different arguments and made up studies, you will not come across as more credible.
B. Understand that while you have your rights, the rest of the world and the schools also have rights.
C. Understand that for the rest of us, this is not emotional, we have the data, regulatory institutions and constant micro oversight on vaccines, due to the now proven fraudulent data.
D. While systems have flaws, we live in the real world where conspiracies arent what drive our decisions.
To summarize, your argument about freedom of choice is understood, but also understand that the topic is a public health topic, so dont expect the public to welcome those that are a potential risk to them.
Doomsday,
This is not about winning, unless your out to win. I am out to sort truth from fiction. My position is that facts matter not positions.
Regarding tye 1:1000 for encephalitis i was quoting the Merck insert, just showing you that there is no asmission of autism. Unlike you stated.
Does this make sense?
Another point, please do not just post anything without a sourxe. Even if you repeat it multiple times, even if your anti vaccine website writes it in bold, its still not fact.
Doomsday,
A. Regarding Jonas Salk, interesting stuff, can you provide this in full context? are you referring about the 11 cases of the tainted batch? Jonas Salk for sure never questioned the safety of polio vaccine or its effectiveness as a vaccine, he played a huge part in eradicating polio.
B. From where are you taking the notion that GBS is the same as polio?
– Polio, viral. GBS, not a virus.
– Polio is contagious, GBS not.
– Polio mainly affected children, GBS mainly adults.
Is it because both on the surface have partial paralysis? Or is it because the anti-vaccine website you use as the source said so?C. You are making up a whole bunch of stuff, each and everything you state has been shown to be the opposite of the truth.
I hope you that no one blames most health care providers that just are not familiar with these made up facts and choose to rely on real science and data.Alternative people choose an alternative path, that is their choice but do not blame the mainstream to stick to the real facts.
doomsday,
Regarding Thimerosal, This has been discussed earlier, yet might have been to scientific for you to comprehend so here is the simple version.
Thimerosal was used as a preservative in multi-dose vials, there are multiple well-published studies that clearly state that thimerosal safe, thimerosal is also used in cosmetics and skin products.
Yet after the FDA began pushing for reducing any mercury due to potential safety concerns, thimerosal was removed from vaccines and the MMR shots are no longer multi-dose vials. Despite the studies indicating that thimerosal was safe, the CDC decided that it will accommodate the notion of reducing mercury and remove it from the MMR vaccine.
Also, has there been any change in any of the supposed disorders you suppose were caused by thimerosal since its removal? the answer is no, so why still hold on to this?
With regards to Vioxx, the FDA had a concern to its safety with regards to it elevating patients blood pressure, the controversy was about Vioxx withholding the risks in its marketing and patients not being advised of the risks, either case this discussion is not about Vioxx, it is about vaccines and autism.
the MMR shot has been around longer than 5 years, has been administered millions of times, extensively tested and is considered safe.
doomsday,
I guess someone needs to explain this to you, no not Merck nor the vaccine courts have ‘admitted’ that vaccines cause autism or other diseases.
This is what the Merck insert actually states.
Based on VAERS reporting, there were individuals with severely compromised immune systems that developed encephalitis from the MMR vaccine, yet even that was only 1 in 3m cases.
Far lower than the 1 in 1000 encephalitis cases seen from the wild measles virus.Individuals with known compromised immune systems are a clear contraindication and should not have received the MMR vaccine, which is why they are also compensated if they are injured.
The VAERS reporting accepts reports from anyone, most of the possible adverse effects are from the VAERS reporting, which is why they are listed as possible side effects even when there are studies proving no link between the vaccine and the potential side effects.
For you to twist that as an admission for autism, is completely dishonest and furthers the claim that the entire notion of vaccine and autism being linked, is simply a fraud.
Doing my best,
If one takes a look at the cases that were compensated, mostly were anaphylaxis (allergic reactions), provider instigated injuries and children that should not have otherwise gotten any vaccines, such as right after chemo treatment or had signs of compromised immunity yet inappropriately were given vaccines.
There is risks with every action that we do, not every child that rides the bus to school will return back home alive and healthy, yet it is an accepted risk most of us take, its impossible to predict zero injury or potential adverse reaction to anything, yet its well below the acceptable level and is safer than most other actions we take in life.
Doomsday,
All of your questions have straightforward answers, its just silly to answer them when your bent on defending the religion of anti-modern medicine, vs following the facts and current data.
Autism isnt the only thing thats on the rise, obesity, diabetes, asthma, cardiac diseases and strokes. We now see them in younger people. Im sure these are all associated with vaccines (for sure not with the unhealthy life style and genetics).
Oh.. but vaccines arent new, so why are these diseases kn the rise, wouldnt there be a plateau?
These discussions are silly, they do not take into consideration true facts and data.
Doomsday,
This is becoming silly, your just exposing yourself more and more.
A. No one admitted that vaccines trigger autism only that the age when autism is detected happens to correlate with the age we give vaccines. The fact that you and people like you have decided that this is evidence that vaccines causes autism is ridiculous and inappropriate.
B. Amis people, while they have a much lower vaccination rate (68%) as per a study in pediatrics, the ‘report’ that was reported in the newswire and is a source often cited has been shown to be inaacurate.
C. Using standard ASD testing, researchers have concluded there is about 1/271 individuals that fit the criteria if ASD.
D. Amish people in general have a bias against modern medicine, so to just compare then at face value without proper research cannot be taken as is.
You repeating numerous times that vaccines cause autism will not change fiction into fact, you would have to base it on evidence.
doomsday,
While every single child that has any chronic illness is a sad and unfortunate situation, having people push the blame on to vaccines either because they have feelings of guilt or for whatever other reason, does not mean that this is the case.
This has been studied extensively, there has been no change in autism in the groups that have withheld vaccinations, the link has been proven to not exist, despite the many trials to find them.
Furthermore, autism is normally detected around the same time that children receive their vaccines, its expected that parents with children that were diagnosed with autism between the 12-18 month range will blame the vaccine, as the anti-vax movement makes sense to them, yet the fact remains that this is the age in which autism is detected, giving or not giving the vaccine would not have any effect.
Josh18,
Would you mind detailing how you have been affected by a vaccine?
Detailed diagnosis and treatment. Otherwise its just old style scare tactics.
It seems that some people are either unaware or just refuse to know the facts surrounding the Wakefield story.
Andrew Wakefied, a GI surgeon, (not a pediatric specialist) came out with a study that showed a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Specifically the MMR vaccine and not the single vaccine or the measles virus.
Despite no one being able to get the same results he supposedly obtained, the study was still damaging and made people scared.
Later it was revealed that despite claiming no conflict of interest, Wakefield was being paid an hourly fee by Attorney Jonathan Barr who was working on a class action lawsuit against the pharmaceutical companies to conduct the ‘study’, all that was needed was a study and expert witness, Wakefiled was willing to satisfy both of Barrs problems.
Furthermore, Wakefield had patented a ‘safe vaccine’ prior to even conducting his study.
Basically the results were in before the study was even conducted, now they just had to have it on paper so they can cash out.
Ok, so we all know that Wakefield is guilty of hiding his conflict of interest and also wanting to monetize from all of this, does this mean that the results should be discarded?
So Wakefield further lied about having approval of the ethics committee on the tests that were done, including invasive tests on the children, extremely unethical.
Unethical and lied, while this does not yet disprove his study, these were the grounds for Wakefield losing is license and partial redaction.
Brian Deer, (investigative reporter, mainly against pharmaceutical companies) began digging deeper and unearthed that every single piece of data Wakefield presented in his study was manipulated only so that it supports Wakefields theory.
a. 12 children were included in the study.
b. Some were never diagnosed with autism, despite Wakefield stating that all were diagnosed with autism.
c. Most children had noted behavioral symptoms that were documented by their pediatricians before receiving the MMR shot consistent with their later diagnosis. Wakefield wrote they were all perfectly normal prior to the MMR Shot. Conveniently omitting this very important fact.
d. Wakefield wrote that the onset of symptoms for all children were within 6 to 14 days after getting the MMR shot, the parents all said that this was not correct and not even what they had told Wakefield, even the parents that were under the impression that the vaccine resulted in their child’s symptoms, stated that symptoms began 6 to 12 moths later. Wakefield knew that falsifying this data is vital in order to use the study in a trial against vaccine companies.
e. Unlike wakefield reported in his study, all children aside from one had noted on their charts (by the Royal Free hospital where the ‘study’ was conducted) that their bowel was normal, this was changed by Wakefield to fit his theory.
f. As Nick Chadwick revealed, Wakefields own lab actually proved him wrong, yet he lied in his reports.
g. As was later revealed, two other labs had failed to get the results that Wakefield claimed to have gotten, this was not in the study.Just in case someone says that there is a huge conspiracy here, its very true and it was uncovered and proven by Brian Deer.
The entire study was a fabrication, all with the intention of making a lot of money. Not only was there a huge conflict of interest and extremely unethical, the entire study had fabricated data.
To understand the seriousness of the discussion:
June 1999. A religiously affiliated school in the Netherlands had a large measles outbreak, 160 cases of measles of school students.
Total cases of measles were 2961.
510 patients were hospitalized.
3 died as a result of the measles.
95% of affected patients were unvaccinated,
5% were vaccinated, with 80% (of the 5%) having received just the initial MMR shot, the rest were unknown if they have received a second shot or not.This demonstrates the seriousness of the measles virus.
Doomsday,
I am not pro vaxx, i am pro facts. There is zero evidence to support the claims and all the evidence that point against your claims.
No one said not to respond to you, only that your assumptions are not worthy of a response, why would you think that your assumptions carry any weight?
Once again, your bent on ‘winning’ as if this is some debate, completely dishonest and searching for anything that would support your unfounded theories. Instead look at the data and facts and let that be the deciding factor.
truthishidden
ParticipantA. Maternal immunity does not last 12 months. regardless if the mother has immunity from measles or from the vaccine.
B. MMR shots are effective, as is evident from the very studies you have posted, it requires two for full immunity.
C. Please do not mix your personal assumptions in a fact-finding discussion,Truthhidden,
Who is talking about harrasing? I dont think anyone should be harrased. If people are spreading miss information they should be called out.
With regards to the argument, if vaccines are effective you have nothing to worry about me not vaccinating.
I mentioned this in an earlier post, yet will briefly touch on it once again.
A. Children under 12 months are generally not immune.
B. Children that only received one MMR shot are not fully immune.
C. Immuno compromised people, do not have immunity.
D. Immunity is generally 95-97% (regardless if immune by vaccine or actual virus).So, we care about our children, the sick and those that fall through the cracks.
Does that make sense to you?
truthishidden
Participant
Some information to debunk the herd immunity myth:
“1. Transmission of measles among a highly vaccinated school population–Anchorage, Alaska, 1998.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 1999.”You are guilty of hiding behind made up facts and made up conclusions, you are misrepresenting the facts and the data.
Being that you posted all these studies, does that mean that you value the results, or only if they support your position?
Is the position of yours based on facts, or you go fact hunting to find facts that will support your position??Take time to read the studies that you post, otherwise, you are accusing us of being stupid and taking what you post at face value.
The study demonstrates that two doses of the MMR vaccine are necessary for immunity, as 95% of the measles cases had just one dose with some having none.
In fact, only one child had received the second MMR shot, this shows how effective the shot is, this was a large school and only one child with proper vaccination got infected. (below the 95-97% acceptable immunity rate).
“2. An outbreak of measles occurred in a municipal school system which had reported 98% of students immunized against measles.
Hull HF, et al. Pediatrics. 1985.”Have you read the study, if yes why is it relevant?
The school had a “reported” 98% immunization, yet the reports were inaccurate. in fact, the study proved that there was a significant vaccination failure rate, despite what the school had reported. This was the reason for the measles outbreak.
Once again, twisting facts to further the agenda, Understand why the world has decided not to accept the twisted agenda and conspirators that have built an ‘alternative’ money making industry while blaming the whole system (multiple systems) of some multi-trillion dollar cover-up.
truthishidden
Participant
“3. Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011. Report of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure.
Rosen JB, et al. Clin Infect Dis. 2014”Have you actually taken the time to read the study, or are you just posting whatever seems to support your cause even though it does not?
This actually SUPPORTS what we already know! that out of 88 Individuals that have contracted the Measles virus, only Two were vaccinated. (hmm, 2.2% I am sure that this is just a coincidence.. if vaccines are ineffective, how else would you explain that?)
In fact, 231 other individuals that were vaccinated and came in contact with the virus have not gotten the virus. (2/231 is below the acceptable percentage, there is an acceptable 95-97% immunity)
Does this support that vaccines does not work? No, it supports that it actually DOES work.
Can we now cross this myth off your list, vaccines do work and as you posted, there is data to support that.
truthishidden
Participant
“2scents: Just because you call it fake news, doesn’t make it so”Of course not, it is not me that decides what is fake news. It is the misrepresentation and twisting of the facts that does, I have already written about William Thomson earlier in this thread. There would be no point in discussing this once again unless you have something to add.
However, the fact that this is being brought up as if there was a cover-up by the CDC just shows that the conspiracy theory is not based on the facts, rather the facts have to be created to support this conspiracy.
If you would have read what William Thomson said, you would understand that not only does this not support the notion that there was a ‘cover-up’, in fact it supports the fact that has been proven thus far, there is no relationship between the MMR and autism.
So yes, it is fake news.