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There is no evidence (yet) that it was racially motivated.
Nor is there any evidence that the looting and rioting have anything to do with George Floyds death.
Even if there would be proof that the crime was racially motivated, this is just one mans doing, or a small group of people. There is no reason as to why all other people around the country should now suffer because of this.
Furthermore, whatever racial inequalities or conceived thoughts people might be having, will not be fixed by looting and shutting down cities.
In fact, come to think about it, it will only make things worse. The lootings and riots are only obscuring whatever message the protests are trying to convey and making these activists all look like wild criminals that have no regard for other people’s property or life.
hey.. stop looking at me like I am second class or that I am just a thug.. ok I asked nicely, now I am going to break into your shop steal everything and beat you up just for fun.. Now you better stop thinking about me as a criminal..
And please.. let’s stop being idiots and kneel to other people as if someone has to apologize for being a different skin color than someone else. That is racism!
“I’m just speaking in theory. (If this was someone independent/credible doing the testing.”
Online study with self-reporting data used, anyone quoting this ‘study’ without being transparent about the unverifiable methods being used, is dishonest.
“So there you go! Dr. Z’s regimen only works on republicans.”
LOL, and the democrats have the protests and riots that handled the virus for them..
Everything is political and biased, on all sides of the spectrum. People that say otherwise are dishonest.
Are you referring to a self reporting study which has zero verifiable data?
Nah.. not good enough.
The riots and protests will prove to us if social distancing is necessary or not.
If there is no change in trends this means that social distancing is not necessary.
CTL,
“You at times seem quite intelligent, why would an experienced attorney who bills at an hourly rate in the hundreds of dollars chase nickels?”
Similarly, why would an experienced attorney who bills an hourly rate in the hundreds of dollars spend so much time responding to random internet people in YWN on such a frequent basis?
Are the rioters and protesters all taking hydroxychloroquine?
Otherwise, how is it that they are not all infected, weren’t we told that if we open up society that the world will come to an end and all of us will be sick..?
While happened to Floyed might or not have been a racist act, the mere fact that we know about this shows that there is no white supremacy problem in the USA.
In fact, if this were a white person, no one would have known about this!
I guess rioters are welcomed even without masks.
You guys can argue until tomorrow…
BH this is going to all be behind us.
“(I(f) I don’t include zinc in every post ready now gets angry)”
Thanks for being considerate. .
Doctors treat illnesses, they are not epidemiologists.
In the case of the COVID19, no one was an expert.
“ Speak to someone who actually worked in a healthcare these past few months before you spew idiocy on the internet.”
This is a someone in healthcare, and while there was ahort period of hospitals being stretched a bit, especially those with temporary covid ICUs and in hot zones, the hospital as a whole was not overwhelmed.
The healthcare industry managed this really well and a number if hospitals were way below baseline capacity at all times!
“ The Flynn case is a textbook example of common prosecutorial abuses. Yet the media quickly adopted the “anyone who pleads guilty must be guilty” mantra. The “proof is in the plea” regardless of false representations, withheld evidence, and conflicting findings in the case”
Written by Jonathan Turly who is not a Trump fan.
Putting politics aside how can one be ok with what the government did to Flynn?
Im shocked by anyone that refuses to look at the misconduct the FBI did in order to screw Flynn, regardless of their political affiliation, they were beyond corrupt.
I guess there is no such thing as “putting politics aside..”.
So I am trying to sort this out, maybe some of you can help me.
Flynn has a phone call with the Russian ambassador, Mr. Kislyak.
The call was intercepted, there was a meeting in which the FBI thought that nothing was concerning, yet still decided to pursue the Flynn meeting, we now know that the intent of the FBI was questionable.
The internal FBI notes suggested that Flynn was cooperative, yet they claimed that Flynn has lied. To which Flynn has pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI.
Due to a string of events, Flynn gets a new representation and they request the government’s documents that were used as material to charge Flynn.
Turns out that the documents (302) was never presented, it was altered, this together with some text messages that indicate that the FBI agents almost had to redo the 302 so that it showed what they wanted it to shot.
After requesting more documents, the government produces more material that shows that the FBI actually didn’t have any reason to interview Flynn, that they were satisfied with his responses and there really was never any concern with anything that he did.
so, this is what seems confusing.
a. Flynn was “officially” accused of discussing sanctions with the Russians, apparently, that would not be OK. He denied it at the time, and was labeled a liar due to the fact that the supposedly the FBI caught him lying.
b. Now that we know that Flynn, according to the FBI agent’s own admission did nothing wrong, what was the conversation about?
c. What was the lie the FBI was accusing Flynn of?
d. If Flynn who we now know did nothing wrong to deserve any of this, yet still admitted to something he did not do. What does this mean for the little man like me and you?
What am I missing here?
Charlie H
“ You also failed to note that those recommendations are dated April 3 and do not reflect updated knowledge.”
In normal times April 3rd would have been considered very current, now with so much new information coming in on a daily basis, April 3rd is considered outdated…
Health,
“At least the FDA should approve HCQ as an emergent treatment.”
Rather let physicians prescribe treatments as they see fit, even if it is an off label use. A lot of treatments are off labels uses and are commonly done in medicine.
Politicians should not do anything to influence treatment guidelines, it is not their area of expertise.
Mattisyahu,
“Saying people will try to disprove something because Trump said it, means you have to suspect that others will try to prove something because Trump said it. Basically, your very criticism negates what you are trying to argue for.”
Well said, science and medicine should not be political, there are enough biases involved with everything that we do, adding a political one is detrimental.
In medicine, nothing has a 100% success rate.
That does not mean the treatment approach by these practitioners is not effective.
A number of hospitals in the tristate area are doing similar trials.
One of the issues these trials have is that they mostly include people that are in the hospital and at later stages of the disease, these people have a number of other issues as a result of the virus.
Oh wow how long this thread became!
As I mentioned earlier, even Dr. Zelenko does not make any claims aside from his anecdotal observations, he also agrees that this is not the standard of how medicine is practiced, but it is his opinion that the deviation is appropriate due to this being a pandemic.
But it is important to that Dr. Zelenko is dealing with a different group of people than that of the hospitals (who some of them did run studies on Hydroxy for Covid19 patients).
Dr. Zelenko is dealing with stable patients that do not (yet) require hospitalization, they are not suffering from respiratory failure, extreme hypoxia, hypercoagulation, sepsis and organ failure, or cytokine storm.
In fact, he claims that his treatment regiment is prevented his patients from becoming so sick so they have all these other complications that come along with the advanced stages of the disease.
The hospitals are dealing with patients that are already more advanced with the disease to the point that they require hospitalization.
This is why it makes it difficult to compare the success rate as there are different objectives for each group.
Also, not only is Dr. Zelenko still working on figuring this out and gathering anecdotal data, I am sure he understands that taking these medications have side effects, some benign that only cause people to be uncomfortable and others that are more severe such as changes in the electrical conduction of the heart that makes the patient vulnerable to deadly dysrhythmias.
Like everything in life, especially with medicine Risk vs Benefit has to be taken into consideration.
My point is, while this might or might not be as effective as the claims are, it for sure is not a simple straightforward treatment regiment for any group of patients.
Ready now,
Your making assumptions which may or may not be factual.
There is more to managing sick patients other than Hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
Patients are being proned, some are gicing anticoagulants for micro thrombosis and plasma from people with high antibodies.
A lot of what is being done is based on anecdotal observations, we are getting smarter and learning more every day, just not yet smart enough.
Hashem should help that all the sick should have a speedy recovery.
Btw, its shocking how we were all fooled into thinking that this is some mild flu like virus.
If we can shorten and simplify this discussion.
No one claims there is clear evidence that Hydroxychloroquine works.
Medicine in general is based on clear data/evidence.
Even Dr. Z. Said that all he has is anecdotal observations.
He agrees that this does not meet the standard for medical treatment protocols, but is making the argument that these are unusual times and his anecdotal observations should be accepted.
Some primary care physicians are prescribing it even out if hospital, some asking that the patients get an ekg before starting the meds, as well as after day 1.
Regardless of the KJ doctors statements, he was referring to his patients, not to all the patients in KJ, we also don’t know if the numbers he stated are accurate as of today.
This is a terrible disease, there is so much that is not known and so much that is simply not adding up, the severe hypoxia that does not correlate with the clinical presentation the cardiac arrhythmias and much more. This is a horrible disease that is hurting a lot of people.
ubiq,
Now that you have revealed that you are a nephrologist, can you briefly explain why some patients that are sick with the coronavirus develop rhabdomyolysis?
Thanks
Most of the pros and cons of Hydroxychloroquine have already been discussed here, I will share my point of view. (for whatever that is worth).
a. Unfortunately, this has become political, when dealing with science or life and death politics should not play any role.
b. Everyone agrees that the data is not sufficient to support Hydroxychloroquine as an evidence-based treatment. (the reason why it is being used especially for in-hospital patients, is because of the known track record this medication has, and the rules slightly change when dealing with a pandemic).
c. The initial French study was very flawed, but the follow-up study showed remarkable improvements with most of the patients that were on Hydroxychloroquine, with a significantly reduced infection period.
d. The logic behind Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc is not that it reverses the infection, rather that it makes it more difficult for the virus to replicate and reproduce, giving the body a better chance at fighting the virus.
e. This is why if one were to go with Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment option, it makes sense to start it early on, not later on as none of the meds reverse anything.
f. Like everything in life, especially with medicine, there are potential side effects, some common and some not so common. Many medications have a potential side effect of prolonged the QTC, so if a patient already has this conduction abnormality, there is risk for them developing a potentially deadly arrhythmia. This can be quickly ruled out by obtaining an EKG. Yet some providers are prescribing Hydroxychloroquine without getting an EKG, especially if the patient has no known cardiac history.
g. All the sick should have a refuah shleima!
Ubiq,
The doctor that posted this does not subscribe to the notion of sacrificing older patients so there are more resources for younger more viable patients.
In fact, he is also a member of one of the nyc hatzolas which is aggressively advocating for elderly patients.
Oh please coding a patient is now an act of retzicha?!
This is more than just dnr/dni, in the hospital setting, people that have advanced directives are not cared for as aggressively, they are written off very quickly, despite not being in arrest or needing intubation.
But more so, the progressive mindset is that older people with a smaller ypl don’t deserve the same care as a younger patient.
This is not new and very sad.
You understand that the virus lives inside the cells of the host. The virus them begins to reproduce and spread to more cells within the body.
Now how exactly does a nebulizer ‘zap’ the virus?
Italy’s numbers are bad, it is affecting their overall healthcare system which means other people that are sick are also being affected.
The kidneys are amazing with so many important functions. Sometimes we do not fully appreciate its value until we see someone that is has a dysfunctional kidney.
Each kidney has about 1million nephrons which filter and reabsorbs the blood. The kidneys maintain normal arterial pressure (or increase BP as needed for compensation), hydration, they manage electrolyte balance, get rid of toxins and waste products the kidneys also act as a buffer for some of the cellular byproducts.
About 180L of fluids are filtered by the kidneys every single day!
If the President should be impeached really depends on party affiliation, that is how it seems.
Furthermore, does the president need to commit pre-established crimes to be impeached, or can the majority of Congress determine if the actions or attempted potential actions are impeachable, also depends on the party affiliation, as democrats will argue that this satisfies the criteria vs republicans that will argue that it does not meet the criteria for impeachment. (some will even argue that what the president did was good and his concerns were legitimate).
I believe the same actually happened during the Clinton impeachment, despite president Clinton actually committing pre-established crimes.
All of this feeds the press, it creates narratives. Democrats hope this will feed their narrative against Trump, Republicans believe that this will expose democrats, or as they call it “the swamp” and reenergize republican voters come 2020.
I guess time will tell.
Oh.. So now we have mods modding each other.
I guess there is some sort of hierarchy at the modding station, in which higher-ranking mod reactivates this thread after the lower ranking mod thought that it is not befitting for this site to have a thread smear individuals, especially when its all speculation.
Mod-25
I believe that for a short while this thread was removed yet was placed back.
While this is an open chat, it would seem that YWN would censure something that is smearing an individual.
So 29 is the funny mod of the bunch.
Just curious, why were any of the vaccine threads closed?
He insulted so many people, some of them happen to be minorities.
Not so sure he is a racist, he seems more like an equal opportunity attacker.
Soft bump.
For those that have read something online that is anti vaccines and believe they have it all figured out.
Read the old, as most of the new arguments are actually very old..
Dooms:
” as PhD Scientists have pointed out: It is the Philippines Study.”
Once we are using the argument of authority, then open your eyes to the fact that almost every single authority is in support of vaccines.
Dooms,
“NO SAFE LIMIT of injection for aluminum has ever been scientifically determined.”
That is incorrect, there are multiple studies about this, especially since there is so much aluminum in our daily diet, cosmetics, and natural environment. There are also specific studies that focus on aluminum in vaccines and infants, concluding that they are way below the level of placing any burden on the infant’s body.
I believe that I have satisfied all of your claims.
The claim (not like you wrote, ‘fact’) that only 10% does not get absorbed in the GI tract, that is incorrect, only 0.3% gets absorbed, the rest gets excreted through the kidneys.
Second, there are limits as to when there is a burden on the body, that is when the rate of ingestion exceeds the rate of excretion, there are safety limits and the little aluminum that the vaccines contain are minuscule and do not place the body under any burden.
Now that you have been exposed to simply pasting content from some website, we know that this will be a marathon, in which you will be spitting out these claims and just post stuff from radical websites. But the facts and the data still stand.
Dooms,
“Therefore, up to 99.9% of aluminum is not absorbed when ingested (through breastmilk or food), and is eliminated/removed from the body before it ever reaches the bloodstream”.
Is this a fact because you typed this up, or because you found this on some lovely website?
Also, The average aluminum found in soy-based formula amounts to about 117mg on average for the first 6 months.
This is a fact for you:
0.3% aluminum gets absorbed via the GI tract, the rest (95%-99.7%) via the kidneys through binding to transferrin and albumin.
When the levels of aluminum are within the bodies excretory capacity, it is considered safe.Wow, so we are going to go through this once again?
The vaccine courts, I thought we laid that to rest. If the facts were not satisfactory, why then did you not say so back when we discussed this?
Placebo studies, are we discussing the safety of vaccines or their effectiveness?
Dooms (or Doooooooooms by pressing on the o button waaaaaaaaay to many times..!)
What about the studies that we reviewed last time, the Japanese study, the one that you claimed that it showed an increase of autism when they vaccinated, when it took a few attempts until you finally realized that it showed an increase of autism when they stopped vaccinating?
honest:
“from many people commenting here , it seems that they look at it as if vaccines is like drinking water and people suspecting it on diseases and want to know how we know the safety of it … are total crazy. its just a consipiracy …. While in reality , no one says that this is safe. THe government only says that the Benefits of preventing other diseases out-way the risks”
Most people probably do not fall into this characterization.
Most people understand the idea of risk vs benefit and understand that the risk is minuscule compared to other acceptable risks.
In fact, most people understand that there are a number of different unrelated scientific bodies that have each researched the safety and the claims that were made, yet have determined that there is no basis to these claims.Honest
What is the definition of safe, is driving a car safe? is going to sleep considered safe?
Is drinking water safe?
Nothing is without risk, yet there is a certain level of risk that is considered to be totally safe.
So no, not everyone agrees that vaccines can cause serious disease more than anything else that we consider safe.
You also mention the federal law with regards to the inserts, while I am not familiar with such a law, why would you think that the inserts would contain potential side effects that are not associated with the vaccine at hand?