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Actualy the first recorded sighting of halleys comet dates back to 240 B.C.E. well before rabban gamliel’s times
Why do you assume that people who knew astronomy in the times of the gemara didnt know about halleys comet? If it appears evrey 70 years astronomers would have noticed it within the first couple of centurys of recording astronomical calculations (which began far far before the times of the gemara.)
Could somone who beleives that chazal knew all the sciences bring some examples of places were chazal or a rishon says somthing about nature that was not known at the time when it was written and was later proven to be correct by modern science?
Squeak,
Come on! The fact that a larger object exerts a stronger pull then a smaller one is an OBSERVABLE effect of gravity. It is just as observable as the earth being round.
Joseph,
Joseph,
you have still failed to address the point i made in an earlier post so i will repeat myself here.
The fact that larger objects have a stronger gravatational pull then smaller ones has been proven by obeservation many times over and we can predict and have predicted how an object going by a larger body will travel based on this knowledge. It is the sun with its larger gravatational pull that makes the earth travel as it does so it therefore only makes sense to say that the earth goes around the sun and not the other way around.
Joseph,
You also havnt explained why we would only find the names of planets already discoverd in the times of chazal mentioned by chazal if they knew about the others exsistence.
Squeak,
We can, do and have made predictions succesfully and correctly on how an object will move based on our knowledge of the fact that a larger body has a larger gravatational pull the a smaller one. This fact is observable just like the earth being round is observable, it is not just an idea that may be fallacious. To say it may not be true is really not any more far fetched then saying that the earth may be flat
Aussie Boy,
The science of today is diffrent then the science of old. For example the Rambam (and just about evreybody else who lived in his time) beleived that the planets were all attached to hard clear spheres which turned and upon which the planets turned also.
This theory explained the motion of the planets as they saw them and was excepted as fact for hundreds of years.
That theory has now been disproven beyond any shadow of a doubt by modern science because we have sent satalites up past the orbits of evrey planet in the solar system and they havnt crashed into any hard spheres. There is no chance that we will one day discover that the theory that the Rambam thought was correct (hard clear spheres) is correct.
Joseph,
I explained to you why if you beleive that a larger object has a greater gravitational pull then a smaller one, (a fact we have tested and sucessfully made predictions how things will travel based upon many many times) it dosnt make sense to say the sun orbits the earth.
I have also pointed out to you how the order of the planets that the Rambam (Sefer Hamada-Yisodei hatorah 3:4) held of, with the Sun being between Venus and Mars is now known beyond any shadow of a doubt to be wrong (as the Earth is located between Venus and Mars).
I meant 5+4=9 (cuz the earth is included as well)I hit the wrong key by mistake
The fact that larger objects have a stronger gravatational pull then smaller ones has been proven by obeservation many times over and we can predict and have predicted how an object going by a larger body will travel based on this knowledge. It is the sun with its larger gravatational pull that makes the earth travel as it does so it therefore only makes sense to say that the earth goes around the sun and not the other way around.
Also according to the Rambam (yisodei hatorah 3:4) the sun is located in the sphere between mercury and mars wich would mean that there should be no planets between mercury and mars except for the sun. We now know that this is simply not true (we live on a planet between mercury and mars and we arn’t on the sun!).
We also find no mention of any planets other then those that were known at that time namley Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter and Saturn we find no mention of either Uranus or Neptune (the reason why there are nine spheres mentioned by the rambam and others is because there was also beleived to be a sphere for the Moon, “Fixed stars” and “Prime mover” (5+3=9))
Kiruvwife,
All those suggestions are great, however even living modestly these days costs alot of money (ONLY TUITION for 2 or 3 kids is like months of your average kollel wife’s salary never mind food,electric bills and heat in the winter and other neccesities) and if the husband thinks it is a good idea not to work as soon as he gets married and the wife dosn’t have any special marketable skills (which most girls who havn’t gone to college dont have) the couple will probably need somone to help them out. Having a rich father in law makes finding that somone a whole lot simpler, so it is natrual that it will be considerd a major plus and you cant really blame the guy for seeing it as such.
Thanks! Its kinda hard to tell that type of thing in writing sometimes (at least for me!).
Kiruvwife,
What do you suggest for people who want to stay in learning and dont want to rely on the “money is the answer to my learning” approach (unless their wife has a special skill and can get a high paying job i guess).
And G.A.W this is an honest question cuz i cant tell, were u being sarcastic? if yes why does what I said not make sense?
G.A.W. you said “Also blame the boys yeshivos that teach that having Gelt is a Mayylah.”
One of the main reasons many boys think marrying a rich girl is a mayla is because they want to learn and the only way they wont have to go to work after they get married is if somone supports them, and having a rich father in law simplifies things a bit.
How can you tell boys it is mayla not to go to work right after they get married and not excpect them to only want to date rich girls?
Oh and chillmaster and there are more then 4 types of girls out there, sorry your having such a hard time dating.
I went to ocean place on the first date with my wife. She had already been there before but i was the only guy who played pool with her there so it wasn’t too bad, she didnt know how to play so i showed her how it was actualy fun!.
Bogen,
you said,
“I’m afraid to say that you come across as having been strongly influenced by the feminist movement.”
Its funny to see you make a statement like that when you clearly don’t even know what feminism is.
The feminist movement and chivalry are two very different things,if anything feminists will generally not be for chivalry as they will say men and woman should be treated as exact equals all things being even.
Will Hill,
You said “Anyone who did not make it to a lifeboat, perished. “
This is not true.
There WERE people pulled from the water after Titanic sank,
and the only reason why a lot more weren’t saved was because only two lifeboats were willing to go back to pick people up, the rest were afraid that they would be mobbed and capsized by the people in the water and even the two that went back took a while to decide to do so.
As the ship was sinking nobody could have known who would have died, but one thing was for sure: men generally have a better chance at surviving then woman and children in such a situation.
This would apply to just about any other situation like a ship sinking
Will Hill, so do you really think that had you or any rabbonim who follow the shulchun aruch been on the Titanic they would have abandoned their wives and made sure to get on a lifeboat first??
WILL HILL,
You said,
“Now that this issue has been broached, it is an interesting observation that had the Titanic C’V been a Jewish sail, al pi halacha they would have had to save the men first”
Seriously what on earth is the matter with you?
The reason why on a sinking ship they would get the woman and children off first is because the men are usually physically stronger and have a better chance at survival (if they need to hang on to debris or whatever) then both of these groups. Nobody ever knows for sure if there is zero chance of survival in these situations.
If you had been on the Titanic you would have got off the ship first and left your wife and child to fend for themselves??
Also a man is supposed to BE A MAN and protect his wife and children NOT the other way around (if you think someone has broken into your house and you don’t have a phone do you send your wife or child downstairs to confront the intruder or do you go down??)
“What is it considered when a guy walks a girl to her door after their date is over?”
Nice
How many people particapated in Dr. Respler’s study?
Does anyone know the details of it?
Jay MAtt,
Good point! I guess the study isnt a good proof to the frum situation.
Also does anyone know of any frum studies besides those of Dr. respler on this subject?
“Was it set up by family members who did research before (and know each other), or were they drunk when they met in Vegas?”
It was 168 randomly picked couples, they were probably of diffrent ethnicities and backrounds
A point of the study was that there are certain feelings that are formed only when somone knows someone for a longer period of time, and then when the people are friends and like each other before they get marrried it benefits the marriage.
Another point was that there is more to really liking somone then just having the same hashkofos as them and being brought up in the same kind of house and “checking someone out” can only tell you these (hashkafos etc.) types of things.
Do you really like EVREYONE who has the same hashkafos and brought up in the same back round as you? I know I don’t.
“Biological and sociological are two separate things.”
I was talking about his quote that goyim are diffrent physically from yidden
“you left out who, what, when, where of that “project.”
It was 168 randomly picked American couples.
“And it is regarding goyim, who the Chasam Sofer says are even physically different than Yidden. “
So I guess you dont beleive any medical studies that are conducted by and with goyim (which would be just about all of them).
“Has anyone a counter to Dr. Respler?”,
O.k. here is one,
According to the Processes of Adaptation in Intimate Relationships (PAIR) project by Ted Huston, a professor of human ecology at The University of Texas at Austin, yes.
“from an adom gadol.”
Not a very convincing argument…..
Do you always just blindly accept whatever someone who you percieve as being an adom gadol says?
“only for the better cause they are more comfortable because they are not as tight as jeans”
LOL!
What on earth are you talking about?
Joseph,
You said “The rule is the opposite. Shorter dating = healthier marriages & less divorces. (There are exceptions to every rule.)”
A number of the posters that disagree with you backed themselves with either stories that they themselves have seen, or from speaking to therapists or other professionals.
You have failed to bring a single reason why you hold as you do. You just keep insisting that things are that way, do you have a reason for assuming this to be true or not? If you have a reason please post it.
Joseph,
you said “Those same communities that date less, generally have happier marriages (in addition to less divorces.)”
Again, can you tell us from were and how you got this information?
Why do you beleive this to be the case?
Teen,
Look, if you believe god created us then it would also make sense he created us for something.
It makes sense he would tell some people what that reason is.
So the idea of the story of matan torah itself (that god came down and said what he created us for) would be kind of bound to happen (of course this is all going with the assumption that in your head it is already proven that god created us) .
So if there is a story that god came down in front of 600,000 men and their wives and children, and told them what he created us for,
since god is bound to come down and tell us why he created us in the first place, and this is the clearest story we have of god coming down in front of an entire nation that we have (which would be a very hard story to make up) there is really no reason not to believe it.
Now last I checked if a woman becomes expecting there is only one way that happens (and it is not because god just planted a baby in her stomach).
It also makes sense that she would deny having done anything that would have got her expecting right? so unless you can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that yoshke was not just a mamzer (which is not possible) there is no reason to believe he was anything more then that.
(P.s. I know that this is not really such a great answer but its worth a shot and may be interesting to discuss i think)
Joseph,
You said
“The viability of the marriages of those in the frum community that date less frequently, is notably more lasting than those who have many dates.”
How do you know this?
I also dont think that it cant really be proven logicly from nature itself that hashem controls the world and dosnt just leave it to run on its own.
Teen,
Sorry, it was a pretty stupid answer i guess!
Teen,
This might not be the kind of answer your looking for but i’ll try,
cuz hashem came down on har sinai in front of the whole klal yisroel and told us so.
Can anyone explain why the music without the words is bad?
Jeans are considerd nowadays to be normal casual clothing,not farmers clothing or undignified clothing.Even presidents and other dignitaries have no problem being seen in them and it is not considerd bizyonisdick. Of course if the situation would call for dignified clothing (such as on shabbos) you shouldnt wear them then.
U’r welcome!
Yeah but we are talking about going the speed of light as it is now (one hundred eighty six thousand miles per second).
Teen you asked
“someone once told me that it is imposible t omove trhu space faster than the speed of light y is this?”
I think this is why (this is how i understood it i may be wrong though),
The mass of any object increases as that object speeds up, the closer you get to the speed of light the mass of the object will keep increasing faster and faster indefinitly and you would keep needing more and more energy to move it along.
In other words, right before it would hit the speed of light its mass would keep increasing again & again.
This would keep making it require more & more energy to move it along indefinitly, and you would never be able to give it enough energy to move faster then that, as it keeps needing more and more cuz its mass just keeps getting greater and greater without stopping at a speed close to that of light.
Since its mass would keep increasing for an infinite amount of times as you get closer to the speed of light you would need more then an infinite amount of energy to move it faster, or even as fast as light & this by definition is impossible.
So only somthing that has no mass (such as a light “particle”) can move at the speed of light.
Itzick,
What are you talking about? We have a responsability to help another jew if they need it. If a kid dosnt keep kosher and by humiliating himher you cause them to turn to drugs and they destroy their life it is wrong to humiliate them. Alot of people who go off the derech dont want to be part of the community because of the greatness of the community itself, but rather because their family and friends are part of it and they despite evreything still like their family.
What do you gain by making them feel bad?
Would you rather your kid be frei and o.d. on heroin, or be frei and at least live?
abcd1234,
My point was that by using F.c. they arnt even actualy communicating with that special neshomo.
Jothar,
The moby dick codes also have more then one word encoded. Google “moby dick codes” and click on “asassinations fortold in moby dick” (its the first link i think).
You said “Regardless, we are frum because of a mesorah that our ancestors stood at Har Sinai and received the Torah directly from Hashem, not because of any modern mofes-worker being legitimate, or even Torah codes.” AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The “Torah codes” also dont stand up to real scrutiny as you can google and find codes in moby dick and many other books. Also any book written in a language without any vowels will turn up lots of codes if you know what to look for.
We all hope moshiach is coming and hopefully he will come soon but why do we need to publicly say silly proofs? lets just daven and hopefully he’ll come!
I hate to rain on anybodys parade but F.C. (facilitated communication with autistic kids) has been clearly exposed as a farce using a simple experiment: the kid was shown a card with a picture on it the facilitator was told that the picture was of say a bird, while really it was an elephant. The kid when asked what he saw would always type “bird” as opposed to “elephant” (wich is what the kid really saw).
The facilitators were simply fooled by somthing called the “ouija effect” google it (ouija effect”) for a more detailed explenation.
These experiments are not excuses for anything. They just show that blind Obedience is a very dangrous thing and that without it alot of terrible things that happend in the past may never have happend.
Nice article!! well said!
Brooklyn19,
THANKS!!!!
Sjnyc,
Me too! However unfortunitely i think i am correct.
Sjnyc,
What you dont get is that alot (most?) of the black hat chareidei world is brought up to think that there gedolim are the only ones worth listening to and that anyone that disagrees with them on that is just not getting it or stupid.
Now if they were ever able to explain WHY (other then there own personal opinion wich is not necessarly better then yours or mine) there talmidei chachomim are any less likely to make mistakes or why they think that there rabbonim are necessarilly bigger talmidei chachomim then say M.O.rabbonim, then i guess there would be somthing to argue with them about.
However when you ask them for a reason they generaly just get offended or they just say that they are doing a good thing beleiving that there rabbonim are the greatest without having a logical reason to do so (you must have “emunas chahcomim” only in THERE gedolim, only THERE gedolim have “daas torah” ect.).
You just cant win an argument with people who think making no sense is a good thing, so dont get worked up about it.