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Our zaidies also beleived the sun went around the earth The maharal (nesivos olam nesiv 14) and r yonasan eybshits among them (yaaros dvash 1:4) and this has been proven as a fact to be wrong.
Feivel,
If dinos and manmmoths ect. did exist they lived and died before humans and eachother: tyronosaurus remains are never found with fossils of earlier dinos dinos are never found with mamoth or sabertooth tiger’s remains and these are never found with the bones or remains of humans or modern animals just from these layers alone you could prove that the world is more then six thousand years old ,now we also know the speed of light for a fact and there is nothing to indicate anywere that it has changed.
Feivel,
Even if the hashem created a mature world why would he create bones of thousands of species of animals and remains of human civilazations that either never existed or were never lived in? there are still stars whos light is just reaching us today (that wernt visable a few yeas ago) why would it be neccesary to make stars from billions of light years away visable to make the world mature? and before these things were discovered there were still athiests and apikorsim so these things arnt necessary for there to be bechira. besides you have no proof to anything you said: you cant prove that the star light was instantly here less then six thousand years ago even though that goes against evreything we know about how the world works, while i by knowing the speed of light and how long it takes fossils ect. to form have a very strong physical proof that the world was here for way more then six thousand years. Again i beleive all this does not conflict with the torah so why beleive the way with less physical proof backing it up.
Give me a break:
Calm down! nobody said you have to eat meat, just that if you dont feel its wrong thats okay.
Feivel,
The methods you mentioned plus the overwelming fossil evidence: no fossils from one layer have been found in another (humans with dinosaurs, dinos with manmmoths ect.) that didnt move after it was formed and easily traced to were it came from, and a couple of times that have been well proven to be hoaxes,evidence from ice core samples varve layers (from riverbeds look it up online) among others.
Give me a break,
I would agree with you however the torah and chazal dont seem to say that eating meat is not perferrable, on the contrary they seem to say that on shabbos and yom tov it is perferrable to eat meat. (although i suppose one can argue that to just eat animals evreyday like how most pepole do these days may be wrong.)
Give me a break, The torah very clearly states that eating animals is okay if the animals are treated correctly Ujm, the world has been proven to be billions of years old beyond any shadow of a reasonable doubt (contrary to what some peapole in the frum community would lead you to beleive either out of ignorance or delusion) and it Dosnt conflict withthe torah.
I also suggest anyone intrested on an intresting view on animal rights in yiddishkeit read a book entitled ‘Of Man and Beast:our relationship with animals in jewish law and thought.’ by rav nooson slifkin it is a bit hard to come by but you can get it on yashar books web site or on rabbi slifkins web site at http://WWW.zootorah.com
I agree with the idea that animals are not ours to abuse and certain methods such as factory farming are wrong (the way they stuff dozens of live chickins into small crates by kapporos and meat plants seems esspecialy wrong to me). That being said the torah does allow us to use animals for food and as a religios jew I beleive human life and suffering is Infinitly more important then animal life and suffering, I also agree with anon for this that it isnt that animals have rights but rather that as humans we have a responsability to treat them well, and this is were peta went wrong.
Muchcommensense if you meant that last question you should really move to san fransico.
TO Ujm, Joseph and all you pepole who say tznius hasnt changed in the past 2000 years, tznius depends on what is considerd pritzusdick in the time and place were you are: 2000 yrs ago woman walked around barefoot or in sandels, you would probaly hold that is ossur today. If there was a style that is accteptable to jewish woman today for arguments sake black stockings (this is not a real example) that started being worn specifcly by harlots and the like I think you would agree that it would be ossur for jewish woman to wear them even though it was fine before. It also makes sense that the gedolim of today would write tshuvas saying its ossur to wear black stockings that would still be around after this style stopped being worn by harlots ect. and it wouldnt be pritzusdick anymore. so to only assur things that wernt ossur before for resons that wernt nogeia before (but are nogeia now) and not be “motter” for the same reason just dosnt seem to make much sense…. somthing to think about
Mariner sorry didnt mean to include your name there
TO Ujm, Mariner, Joseph and all you pepole who say tznius hasnt changed in 2000 years, tznius depends on what is considerd pritzusdick in the time and place were you are: 2000 yrs ago woman walked around barefoot or in sandels you would probaly hold that is ossur today. If there was a style that is accteptable to jewish woman today for arguments sake black stockings (this is not a real example) that started being worn specifcly by harlots and the like I think you would agree that it would be ossur for jewish woman to wear them even though it was fine before, and not only that but it also makes sense that the gedolim of today would write tshuvas saying its ossur that would still be around after this style stopped being worn by harlots ect. and it wouldnt be pritzusdick anymore. so to only assur things that wernt ossur before for resons that wernt nogeia before and not be “motter” for the same reason just dosnt seem to make much sense…. somthing to think about
Would SOMONE please explain how woman going or not going to war would prove anything about tznius, Who said woman not going to war (assuming that they dont) has anything to do with tznius, maybe its just because they are generaly (but of course not always) physicly weaker and more emotinal (or have a harder time concealing there emotians) then men and all around just not really as cut out for physical fighting and killing as guys are esspecialy in the days of chazal
Yoshi I agree with you 100 percent however as a general rule men are better suited at doing the dirty rough things such as killing especialy in the days of chazal
Who said woman not going to war (assuming that they dont) has anything to do with tznius, maybe its just because they are usally physicly weaker and more emotinal then men and all around just not really cut out for physical fighting.
Who said woman not going out to war (assuming that they didnt) has anything to do with tznius maybe its just because woman are physicly weaker, more emotianal and all around not as fit for fighting as men?