Meanings of the names Zelig and Zalman

I was taking issue with your suggestion that “we’re all Zionists.”

I guess we will agree to disagree. Unless you do not love E”Y ( and I believe you do), you most certainly are a Zionist. Politically speaking, clearly not. Intellectually, perhaps not. Emotionally, hashkafically, and religiously, we are ALL Zionists, Tzionim, or at least we are supposed to be.

Am Yisrael will always be Zionists, wherever we are, as long as we are connected to the Land. You don’t care for the treifeneh Medinah? OK, I can understand that. But our every thought is supposed to be directed toward Tzion and Yerushalayim, and that is what I mean when I say Zionist.

Shabbat Shalom (or Gutt Shabbos, if you prefer that).

Golfer: The Gra’s famous lines on this are actually in his Sefer on Shulchan Aruch. Take a look at where the Shulchan Aruch mentions Pardes (YD 245 or 246).

Oomis, very simply: you are conflating two vastly different and, indeed, opposing views.

Love of the land is completely different than Zionism. The Zionists use love of the land as part of their propaganda attempting to confuse people into supporting their idolatry because of that wish to love the land.

Using the term “Zionist” for “love of the land” is untenable because Zionism has a well-established meaning.

By the way, where is there a stated mitzvah to “love the land”?

As thankful as you are for the yeshivos that exist there, are you also thankful for the tens of thousands of Jewish lives it cost to achieve that? Was it worth it? Not to mention the gemara in Kesubos which Zionists can’t answer. It’s not even a question.

Incidentally, many gedolim decried the creation of the State of Israel, even though there were some who agreed to work with it. Agudah was founded back in the day for the express purpose of fighting Zionism. Even nowadays, as modern (not MO) rabbis have stated, nothing has changed. Zionism was and is a very bad idea and against the Torah.

Again, only people who identify with the Zionist movement are Zionist. “We” are definitely not Zionist.

Oomis: I appreciate your words.

The fact remains that love of the land (still no answer as to where to find that all-important mitzva? of loving the land) is not the same as loving the State of Israel which presently administers parts of that land.

One may love one (e.g. the land) and not the other (e.g. the State).

This goes both ways (either yes to land/no to State or yes to State/no to land).

Among other points, this is not opinion but fact.

As to opinions, however: yes, each is entitled to their own opinion; and I’m humbled to have been in agreement with some of your other opinions, including earlier in this thread.

Eizik is roshei taivos for Avrohom Yitzchok Yaakov Zera Yisroel Kodesh.

Baila is roshei taivos for Baruch Hashem La’olem Amen.

The last name Berg is is roshei taivos for Bayishanim, Rachmanim, Gomlei chasadim , tha midos of a yid

Nili,an acronym for the passuk from Shmuel, “Netzach Yisreal lo yishaker,” was originally the name (and password) of a spy organization that operated in Israel during WWI. It was led by members of the Aaronson family,who immigrated to Palestine from Romania, including Aron, his sister Sarah, some other Aronson siblings (not sure) and Avshalom Feinberg. Interestingly they were helping the British (who were our enemies when the Irgun & Lechi fought against them during British occupation later in the 20th century) under General Allenby fight against the Turks. I don’t know which one of them chose the name Nili, as above, for their group. The story is a very sad one, and they all died under tragic circumstances. Aron is the only one that was not definitely murdered by enemies. He died in a plane crash over the English Channel that may have been orchestrated by the British. (I know, the British were supposed to be his friends, but it’s a long sad story.) The Aronson home in Zichron Yakov has been preserved as a museum, and is an interesting place to visit. (Yes, I was there. Very interesting, but more sad than enjoyable.)

How the name of the spy organization became a popular Hebrew girl’s name, I don’t know.

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Very cute, Sam2. Could you come up with something for Froggie (????)

LF: I didn’t come up with that. One of the Chassidish Rebbes said it (because you use a hammer to knock on doors to wake people up for Minyan and someone who doesn’t go to Minyan is called a Shachein Ra). It’s a cute Remez, but it really bothers me when people think that that’s how the Yiddish word was created and it just happened to be that the German (and English) word is the same. I certainly don’t think that the Rebbe that said it meant that. He meant it as a Remez to inspire people to get up for Minyan.

Algor: That’s a name that a Ger in Washington Heights came up with for his name around 75 years ago. So yes, it does stand for that.

The much better one is the Chida. AZuL”AI stands for Isha Zona V’chalalah Lo Yikachu.