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When the Chashmonaim lit the oil, it did not burn for eight days straight. Sorry to destroy your childhood.
Has there recently been an update that I missed?
so then what happened?
It helped their morale, because they were distressed that they couldn’t do the mitzvah. Hashem showed them that he appreciated their devotion by showing that as far as he was concerned, the menorah was burning. Not everything is about halacha.
So what happened? Do you have proof to back this up?
Makes sense
it had enough oil to burn for 1 day however each day only 1/8 of the oil got used up
I thought you were bringing up a point that the first day was because of the milchama and they didn’t light on the 25th rather on the 26 so really there should be 9 days.
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nope, I meant 9
1 day for the war, the 25th plus 8 days of light (lit on 26th so the eight days of lights goes until the third)
sorry I can’t remember the source
My understanding was that the menorah DID stay lit for 8 days, long enough for the HAshmonaim to acquire olives, get back, and press them for pure olive oil. The process took slightly over a week to accomplish, and the menorah never went out during that time.
And if we wonder why it is considered an 8 day and not 7 day miracle (After all, there WAS enough oil to burn for the first day), the miracle was that in the midst of that Churban and tumah, that ANY pure untouched oil was found at all!
It depends on what exactly the Ness was. If the Ness was that it burned slowly and they had no option of relighting it with other oil, then they let it burn when they saw that there was a Ness keeping it going.
And if we wonder why it is considered an 8 day and not 7 day miracle (After all, there WAS enough oil to burn for the first day), the miracle was that in the midst of that Churban and tumah, that ANY pure untouched oil was found at all!
oomis, im sure you know that is just one of at least a hundred answers right?
🙂 Bump 🙂
I saw something funny the other day…
A mom was trying to tell to her son about the miracle of the oil lasting for 8 days but the son was having a hard time understanding, so she said imagine u charged your phone one night and the battery lasted for 8 days without recharging…he finally understood
Lol, of course it was 8 the second they found the oil they put it in, and went to go get more.
4days to the store, and 4 days back……
But it did burn for eight days straight. It burned steadily until it was lit.
You can light it while it’s going out and it never stops burning.
oomis, im sure you know that is just one of at least a hundred answers right?”
Yep.
“??????? ???? ????? ????.”
That can be interpreted two ways, my friend. It can just as easily be understood as “theylit from it (that one tiny oil) for a period that lasted 8 days. That’s what’s great about Torah – so many facets, and each one is worthy of knowing.
The latter interpretation seems more logical to me, as they would have had to use the entire cruse of oil to light the menorah. Or was the menorah in the Beis Hamikdash lit the same way we light our own menorahs, adding a light each new day? I would tend to doubt that. Our minhag comes from Beis Hillel’s decision as to how to light a menorah. But the original neis that took place with it was a miracle because ALL the oil must have been poured into the menorah, but either only an eighth of it burned per day, or it renewed itself each day. In any case, no one would argue that it was not miraculous by all accounts.
The biggest miracle was the national one, where an army the size of a peanut, defeated an army the size of an elephant. Shades of Dovid and Golias!
oomis, hadliku means they lit from it they used the whole thing on the first day but only 1/8 was consumed, they extinguished it the next day then relit it again because it was a new day so need a new lighting and this kept on repeating itself for 8 days
we learnt something like the oil stayed full in the ?? even after it was used each night till new oil was brought.
A LICHTIGE chanukah!
This makes so much more sense, LAB. I thought something sounded a bit too hunky-dory, but I couldn’t put a finger on it!
Interesting. My kindergarten teacher taught me the oil lasted eight days (either they poured 1/8 at a time or that the jug never emptied or some similar miraculous event), not that it burned for eight days. Is there a jewish source that they lit the menorah on day one and it burned for eight consecutive days?
“When the Chashmonaim lit the oil, it did not burn for eight days straight. Sorry to destroy your childhood. “
As iBump pointed out, there are at least 100 answers for that famous question of the Beit Yosef. One of those answers, which the B”Y mentions, was that the oil lasted 8 days. The other two were 1) the 1/8 per night that lasted the whole night 2) After pouring the oil out of jug into the menorah, the jug still remained full.
See this thread: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/kasha-of-beis-yosef
hadliku “
V’HADliku means the imperative plural command “And (You) light!
V’HIDliku (which unless I am mistaken, is the way we read this word here) means “And they lit.” And even these meanings would be changed were we to assume that tjhe VOV at the beginning of the word is the VOV hamihapeches, that changes the loshon of avar (past tense) to asid (future tense). It could be a hint to what we now do today.
Lab
You are right because Halachically the menorah had to be lit every day.
This reminds me of when I insisted that lead has 4 valence electrons to correspond to the 4 malchiyos in 8th grade.
It’s an expression, like if I say “He worked in programming for ten years straight.”
I feel uncomfortable with thread title. Couldn’t it be ‘correction for a popular misconception’? Why do you feel a need to have us all feel that our teachers were lousy?
Because those who can’t do teach.
The words ????? ???? are going back on ??????? ????. According to your interpretation, it should have said something like ??????? ???? ????? ????? ????.”
Only if one applies the idea of the vov in v’hidliku to be like the vov in V’Dibarta (bam), where the word dibarta is past tense, but the vov turns it into future tense (and you will say). I did NOT say that is my interpretation. My point was primarily about the fact that the word cannot be v’HADliku, which is a command tense of the verb (and would make no contextual sense), as opposed to being past tense v’HIDliku (and they lit). Whether you believe the menorah burned for 8 days or not, it was a miracle of epic proportions.
(Me)The biggest miracle was the national one, where an army the size of a peanut, defeated an army the size of an elephant.”
(LAB)Sorry, but what in the world gives you a right to say which miracle was bigger? The Gemara doesn’t even mention the miracle of the war when it asks the famous “Maiy Chanukah”.
So do you not think that the fact that we mention the national neis every time we say Shemonah Esrai and bensch during Chanukah, that this does not indicate its extreme importance? Perhaps I misspoke, but I feel that the neis of “giborim b’yad chalashim, rabim b’yad m’atim, etc” seems to be VERY strongly recognized, certainly enough for this to be part of our Chanukah davening. The neis of the oil is not even mentioned once in that part of the tefila. There is only a mention that they cleaned up the Beis Hamikdash, made it tahor and lit candles, and were koveya 8 days of Chanukah to be m’hallel Hashem. Nothing about oil burning for 8 days, So maybe there is room for both schools of thought.
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